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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-2/#comment-122258</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the &lt;i&gt;Blogometer&lt;/i&gt;, unsurprisingly, has a good &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/11/1117_the_source.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;round-up&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, the <i>Blogometer</i>, unsurprisingly, has a good <a href="http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/11/1117_the_source.html" rel="nofollow">round-up</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-2/#comment-122246</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh.  It&#039;s taken all of one day for the &lt;i&gt;eating your young&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://mattwelch.com/archives/week_2005_11_13.html#003385&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commence&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gosh.  It&#8217;s taken all of one day for the <i>eating your young</i> to <a href="http://mattwelch.com/archives/week_2005_11_13.html#003385" rel="nofollow">commence</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-2/#comment-122237</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But I’m pretty sure Marc Cooper has dropped out hasn’t he?&quot;

Not at all.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://marccooper.com/shedding-pajamas-osm/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, including comments.  (Earlier &lt;a href=&quot;http://marccooper.com/world-wide-exclusive/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But I&#8217;m pretty sure Marc Cooper has dropped out hasn&#8217;t he?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Not at all.  See <a href="http://marccooper.com/shedding-pajamas-osm/#comments" rel="nofollow">here</a>, including comments.  (Earlier <a href="http://marccooper.com/world-wide-exclusive/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-2/#comment-122025</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dsquared: The Eric S. Raymond mark is dead/abandoned:

Word Mark  	 OPEN SOURCE
Goods and Services 	(ABANDONED) IC A . US A . G &amp; S: COMPUTER SOFTWARE LICENSING. FIRST USE: 19980203. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19980203
Mark Drawing Code 	(1) TYPED DRAWING
Design Search Code 	
Serial Number 	75439502
Filing Date 	February 24, 1998
Current Filing Basis 	1A
Original Filing Basis 	1A
Owner 	(APPLICANT) Software in the Public Interest CORPORATION NEW YORK P.O. Box 70152 Pt. Richmond CALIFORNIA 948070152
Assignment Recorded 	ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Type of Mark 	CERTIFICATION MARK
Register 	PRINCIPAL
Other Data 	The certification mark, as used by authorized persons, certifies that the software license conforms to a set of guidelines published by software in the public interest.
Live/Dead Indicator 	DEAD
Abandonment Date 	March 18, 1999</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dsquared: The Eric S. Raymond mark is dead/abandoned:</p>

	<p>Word Mark   <span class="caps">OPEN SOURCE</span><br />
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) <span class="caps">IC A </span>. US A . G &#038; S: <span class="caps">COMPUTER SOFTWARE LICENSING</span>. FIRST <span class="caps">USE</span>: 19980203. <span class="caps">FIRST USE IN COMMERCE</span>: 19980203<br />
Mark Drawing Code (1) <span class="caps">TYPED DRAWING</span><br />
Design Search Code<br />
Serial Number 75439502<br />
Filing Date February 24, 1998<br />
Current Filing Basis 1A<br />
Original Filing Basis 1A<br />
Owner (APPLICANT) Software in the Public Interest <span class="caps">CORPORATION NEW YORK P</span>.O. Box 70152 Pt. Richmond <span class="caps">CALIFORNIA 948070152</span><br />
Assignment Recorded <span class="caps">ASSIGNMENT RECORDED</span><br />
Type of Mark <span class="caps">CERTIFICATION MARK</span><br />
Register <span class="caps">PRINCIPAL</span><br />
Other Data The certification mark, as used by authorized persons, certifies that the software license conforms to a set of guidelines published by software in the public interest.<br />
Live/Dead Indicator <span class="caps">DEAD</span><br />
Abandonment Date March 18, 1999</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-122021</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Pajamas has already sent bloggers checks for content… Content yet to be supplied&lt;/i&gt;

WTF? Without advertisers locked and loaded into rates that are some margin higher than the price paid for the content? 

Sounds like a futures operation run by intermediaries who&#039;ve yet to identify any buyers for all the product they&#039;ve purchased. Or maybe just BlogAds, run by dyslexics who managed to reverse all the P and the L items. Dotcom-era insanity rides again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Pajamas has already sent bloggers checks for content&#8230; Content yet to be supplied</i></p>

	<p><span class="caps">WTF</span>? Without advertisers locked and loaded into rates that are some margin higher than the price paid for the content?</p>

	<p>Sounds like a futures operation run by intermediaries who&#8217;ve yet to identify any buyers for all the product they&#8217;ve purchased. Or maybe just BlogAds, run by dyslexics who managed to reverse all the P and the L items. Dotcom-era insanity rides again.</p>
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		<title>By: thibaud</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-122017</link>
		<dc:creator>thibaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 05:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What (if anything) are Pajama&#039;s venture capitalists thinking? Regardless of its location on the spectrum, the political blogosphere is free masturbation for politics junkies and assistant professors. Any website whose audience is a) &gt;90% male and b) entirely free of charge and c) unconnected to sports/gambling/porn is a sure money loser. 

The gender angle&#039;s crucial. While Politics Junkie Dad expatiates and slings artful putdowns about weighty matters on CrookedPajamasKosFreeperRedBlueState, Responsible Mom is rapidly and efficiently (in the precious few minutes she has to herself each day) surfing for sites with reliable info and advice on questions about trivial matters like children&#039;s immunizations, which drugs can be taken during the first trimester, where to find car seats that are safe, which SUVs get a 5-star safety rating etc. 

Whereas Dad carries the torch of ideological warfare, clicks on few if any ads (&lt;i&gt;Ourside T-shirts! Coffee mugs! After dinner mints imprinted with your favorite slogan!&lt;/i&gt;) and spends still less money at the sites he visits, Mom actually &lt;b&gt;buys stuff&lt;/b&gt; based on what she learned about all those tedious matters of hearth and home. Lots of stuff, and lots of money. 

The only political website I&#039;ve seen that has significant economic value is Kos, which functions more like a product recommender site  funnelling money from its audience to Kos&#039;s political clients ie those who&#039;ve been given the Kos Seal of Approval. Never mind that Kos&#039;s clients have yet to win an election-- IIRC he&#039;s a perfect 0 for 9 in &#039;04-- the little b*stard is a brilliant businessman and brand marketer. Give the joker his due.
As to the rest, as anyone who&#039;s worked on the business side of any political journal will tell you, the demographics for political fare are, to an advertiser, a pig&#039;s breakfast: ages, incomes, location are all over the map, and the audience isn&#039;t in a mood to buy anything anyway. This doesn&#039;t cut it for a micromarket, which in the online world is probably anything under 1 million unique visitors per month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What (if anything) are Pajama&#8217;s venture capitalists thinking? Regardless of its location on the spectrum, the political blogosphere is free masturbation for politics junkies and assistant professors. Any website whose audience is a) >90% male and b) entirely free of charge and c) unconnected to sports/gambling/porn is a sure money loser.</p>

	<p>The gender angle&#8217;s crucial. While Politics Junkie Dad expatiates and slings artful putdowns about weighty matters on CrookedPajamasKosFreeperRedBlueState, Responsible Mom is rapidly and efficiently (in the precious few minutes she has to herself each day) surfing for sites with reliable info and advice on questions about trivial matters like children&#8217;s immunizations, which drugs can be taken during the first trimester, where to find car seats that are safe, which SUVs get a 5-star safety rating etc.</p>

	<p>Whereas Dad carries the torch of ideological warfare, clicks on few if any ads (<i>Ourside T-shirts! Coffee mugs! After dinner mints imprinted with your favorite slogan!</i>) and spends still less money at the sites he visits, Mom actually <b>buys stuff</b> based on what she learned about all those tedious matters of hearth and home. Lots of stuff, and lots of money.</p>

	<p>The only political website I&#8217;ve seen that has significant economic value is Kos, which functions more like a product recommender site  funnelling money from its audience to Kos&#8217;s political clients ie those who&#8217;ve been given the Kos Seal of Approval. Never mind that Kos&#8217;s clients have yet to win an election&#8212;<span class="caps">IIRC</span> he&#8217;s a perfect 0 for 9 in &#8216;04&#8212;the little b*stard is a brilliant businessman and brand marketer. Give the joker his due.<br />
As to the rest, as anyone who&#8217;s worked on the business side of any political journal will tell you, the demographics for political fare are, to an advertiser, a pig&#8217;s breakfast: ages, incomes, location are all over the map, and the audience isn&#8217;t in a mood to buy anything anyway. This doesn&#8217;t cut it for a micromarket, which in the online world is probably anything under 1 million unique visitors per month.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121978</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis and Daniel (is that d(d+1)?):

Thanks for the info.  I guess I&#039;m just a natural cheapskate.

One thing did strike me from Dennis&#039;s comment that bloggers have already been paid in advance.  Some in this thread have wondered why, say, Dan Drezner doesn&#039;t bail.  If he&#039;s already cashed the cheque, he may not have the option.  He may be contractually bound to supply a certain number of blog posts to the new entity, or a number of blog posts which in aggregate attract a certain number of page views (or . . .).

In addition, Dan in his first post announcing he was to be part of PM said his blog address would redirect to PM at some point.  It wouldn&#039;t surprise me that that&#039;s also part of his contractual obligation, if he has, in fact, accepted consideration.  

Obviously we don&#039;t (can&#039;t, unless someone violates an NDA) know the terms under which participants can recover their blog addresses.  But it may well (sorry for all the subjunctives) not be a simple matter for someone to extricate themselves from Simon&#039;s web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dennis and Daniel (is that d(d+1)?):</p>

	<p>Thanks for the info.  I guess I&#8217;m just a natural cheapskate.</p>

	<p>One thing did strike me from Dennis&#8217;s comment that bloggers have already been paid in advance.  Some in this thread have wondered why, say, Dan Drezner doesn&#8217;t bail.  If he&#8217;s already cashed the cheque, he may not have the option.  He may be contractually bound to supply a certain number of blog posts to the new entity, or a number of blog posts which in aggregate attract a certain number of page views (or . . .).</p>

	<p>In addition, Dan in his first post announcing he was to be part of PM said his blog address would redirect to PM at some point.  It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me that that&#8217;s also part of his contractual obligation, if he has, in fact, accepted consideration.</p>

	<p>Obviously we don&#8217;t (can&#8217;t, unless someone violates an <span class="caps">NDA</span>) know the terms under which participants can recover their blog addresses.  But it may well (sorry for all the subjunctives) not be a simple matter for someone to extricate themselves from Simon&#8217;s web.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Tilton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121977</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Tilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

whether you&#039;re remembering wrong or not, an NDA can and usually does cover more than (protected or capable-of-being-protected) IP. Very often one is motivated by nothing more than a desire not to broadcast the terms one is prepared to give or accept. No idea how passionate Mr Raymond is about information wanting to be free, but I can imagine somebody making business arrangements that involve untrammelled access to, and the right freely to monkey about with, source code, some other aspects of which he&#039;d nevertheless prefer his counterparties keep &lt;em&gt;in petto&lt;/em&gt;.

That said, we didn&#039;t like the looks of the NDA that PJ asked us to sign (among other things we didn&#039;t like about them) -- overbroad, sloppily drafted, and apparently prepared by somebody unused to agreements that cross national borders.

Mind you, if you&#039;re right and Mr Raymond is able and of a mind to nail the PJs&#039; collective testicles to the floorboards, I daresay I shall manage to put a brave face on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Daniel,</p>

	<p>whether you&#8217;re remembering wrong or not, an <span class="caps">NDA</span> can and usually does cover more than (protected or capable-of-being-protected) IP. Very often one is motivated by nothing more than a desire not to broadcast the terms one is prepared to give or accept. No idea how passionate Mr Raymond is about information wanting to be free, but I can imagine somebody making business arrangements that involve untrammelled access to, and the right freely to monkey about with, source code, some other aspects of which he&#8217;d nevertheless prefer his counterparties keep <em>in petto</em>.</p>

	<p>That said, we didn&#8217;t like the looks of the <span class="caps">NDA</span> that PJ asked us to sign (among other things we didn&#8217;t like about them)&#8212;overbroad, sloppily drafted, and apparently prepared by somebody unused to agreements that cross national borders.</p>

	<p>Mind you, if you&#8217;re right and Mr Raymond is able and of a mind to nail the PJs&#8217; collective testicles to the floorboards, I daresay I shall manage to put a brave face on it.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121957</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmmm ... isn&#039;t &quot;Open Source&quot; a trademark owned by Eric Raymond?  And isn&#039;t he rather sniffy about allowing it to be used by people who are keen on non-disclosure agreements, etc?  Or am I remembering this totally wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hmmmm &#8230; isn&#8217;t &#8220;Open Source&#8221; a trademark owned by Eric Raymond?  And isn&#8217;t he rather sniffy about allowing it to be used by people who are keen on non-disclosure agreements, etc?  Or am I remembering this totally wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandra</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121937</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All Things Beautiful Trackback &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allthingsbeautiful.com/all_things_beautiful/2005/11/blogging_to_dif.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blogging To Differ at Pajamas OSM Media&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All Things Beautiful Trackback <a href="http://www.allthingsbeautiful.com/all_things_beautiful/2005/11/blogging_to_dif.html" rel="nofollow">Blogging To Differ at Pajamas <span class="caps">OSM </span>Media</a></p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wisse</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121929</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Wisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The troubles with Powerline, Litte Green Fascists and Instapundit are too well know for anybody who is an honourable person to step into any venture with them.

It&#039;s that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The troubles with Powerline, Litte Green Fascists and Instapundit are too well know for anybody who is an honourable person to step into any venture with them.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: dsquared</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121923</link>
		<dc:creator>dsquared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just one slightly tangential point:  &quot;USD3.5m of financing&quot; does not necessarily mean that they have a cheque for this amount in the bank.  It could easily mean $500k start-up cash, plus commitments to fund operating losses of up to $750k/ quarter for the next year (which in turn would possibly be subject to performance reviews, etc).

In any case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Media&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&#039;s apparently easier than one might think&lt;/a&gt; to spend $4m on weblogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>just one slightly tangential point:  &#8220;USD3.5m of financing&#8221; does not necessarily mean that they have a cheque for this amount in the bank.  It could easily mean $500k start-up cash, plus commitments to fund operating losses of up to $750k/ quarter for the next year (which in turn would possibly be subject to performance reviews, etc).</p>

	<p>In any case, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Media" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s apparently easier than one might think</a> to spend $4m on weblogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121913</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Brendan, I haven’t been round there for a while, but I was under the impression that Harry had turned his Place over to the lodgers and left.&#039;

He keeps on promising to do that, but then he keeps on coming back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;Brendan, I haven&#8217;t been round there for a while, but I was under the impression that Harry had turned his Place over to the lodgers and left.&#8217;</p>

	<p>He keeps on promising to do that, but then he keeps on coming back.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Tilton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs Tilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan, I haven&#039;t been round there for a while, but I was under the impression that Harry had turned his Place over to the lodgers and left.

It was a website I enjoyed a good deal, a good deal of time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brendan, I haven&#8217;t been round there for a while, but I was under the impression that Harry had turned his Place over to the lodgers and left.</p>

	<p>It was a website I enjoyed a good deal, a good deal of time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/15/pajamarama/comment-page-1/#comment-121901</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it matters, but I recalls vaguely (can&#039;t remember the link) something that Glenn Reynolds once posted in which people were asked about their political affiliations and which blogs they looked at. &#039;Liberals&#039; were more likely to check out &#039;right wing&#039; blogs than vice versa. 

And I do actually think that due to their actions, blogs like LGF and Harry&#039;s Place are responsible for their comments section, if only because if you annoy these people enough they will ban you. To the best of my knowledge no commenter has EVER been banned from HP for being too &#039;racist&#039; or &#039;right wing&#039;, whereas people are banned for challenging &#039;Harry&#039; or being too vehemently against the war all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not that it matters, but I recalls vaguely (can&#8217;t remember the link) something that Glenn Reynolds once posted in which people were asked about their political affiliations and which blogs they looked at. &#8216;Liberals&#8217; were more likely to check out &#8216;right wing&#8217; blogs than vice versa.</p>

	<p>And I do actually think that due to their actions, blogs like <span class="caps">LGF</span> and Harry&#8217;s Place are responsible for their comments section, if only because if you annoy these people enough they will ban you. To the best of my knowledge no commenter has <span class="caps">EVER</span> been banned from HP for being too &#8216;racist&#8217; or &#8216;right wing&#8217;, whereas people are banned for challenging &#8216;Harry&#8217; or being too vehemently against the war all the time.</p>
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