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		<title>By: TP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-3/#comment-127057</link>
		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, you could do what I did.  I am now a Ph.D student (1st year in residence) at a unique humanities based grad program (medical humanities), focusing on clinical ethics.  I knew I was fascinated by medical ethics 10 years ago, but was concerned about grad school in philosophy for the reasons articulated so eloquently in this comment thread.

So, I went to law school instead, at a school with an excellent health law program, and concentrated in health law, bioethics, health policy, etc.  I practiced law for a few years with a big firm, earned some dollars, and then kissed it goodbye to return to grad school and prepare for the career I&#039;ve always wanted (clinical medical ethicist).

I work part-time as a lawyer, which pays the bills nicely.  I have law school debt, but it isn&#039;t overwhelming by any means, and I make more than enough to live comfortably whilst I am in school.

Admittedly, my intended career is not entirely academic in the traditional sense, though I do plan to seek academic appointment.  I did what I did partly to make the decision to attend grad school more practical for me.

And of course, having a law degree and several years of practice, as well as clerking for a judge, only serves to make me more employable, I tend to think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Or, you could do what I did.  I am now a Ph.D student (1st year in residence) at a unique humanities based grad program (medical humanities), focusing on clinical ethics.  I knew I was fascinated by medical ethics 10 years ago, but was concerned about grad school in philosophy for the reasons articulated so eloquently in this comment thread.</p>

	<p>So, I went to law school instead, at a school with an excellent health law program, and concentrated in health law, bioethics, health policy, etc.  I practiced law for a few years with a big firm, earned some dollars, and then kissed it goodbye to return to grad school and prepare for the career I&#8217;ve always wanted (clinical medical ethicist).</p>

	<p>I work part-time as a lawyer, which pays the bills nicely.  I have law school debt, but it isn&#8217;t overwhelming by any means, and I make more than enough to live comfortably whilst I am in school.</p>

	<p>Admittedly, my intended career is not entirely academic in the traditional sense, though I do plan to seek academic appointment.  I did what I did partly to make the decision to attend grad school more practical for me.</p>

	<p>And of course, having a law degree and several years of practice, as well as clerking for a judge, only serves to make me more employable, I tend to think.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-3/#comment-126907</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro: I never went to graduate school -- I did get 6 grad credits at my undergrad institution. I have been dealing with the pros and cons of it for about 20-25 years, and I&#039;ve always thought the cons outweighed the pros. So I&#039;ve been free-lancing. 

You, on the other hand, had some sort of tragic career-ending alcoholic event in grad school, and it&#039;s been a gift that&#039;s kept on giving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pedro: I never went to graduate school&#8212;I did get 6 grad credits at my undergrad institution. I have been dealing with the pros and cons of it for about 20-25 years, and I&#8217;ve always thought the cons outweighed the pros. So I&#8217;ve been free-lancing.</p>

	<p>You, on the other hand, had some sort of tragic career-ending alcoholic event in grad school, and it&#8217;s been a gift that&#8217;s kept on giving.</p>
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		<title>By: Fedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, at #75,

couldn&#039;t possibly be Jason Gabriel Gonella, nor the infamously dubbed &quot;Troll of Sorrow,&quot; well-known for his cowardly excrement-slinging and destructive harassment all across the Internet.  No, it couldn&#039;t possibly be.  And to even suggest such a thing would be to expose this owners of this site to frivolous lawsuits, for which Jason Gabriel Gonella--whether or not he is indeed the Troll of Sorrow--would eventually have to pay himself, anti-slapp style.  That said, if one were to google &quot;Jason Gabriel Gonella,&quot; say, on Amazon.com, and to compare his interests and his prose with that of &quot;Pedro,&quot; &quot;perezoso&quot; or with any number of other handles, by now well-known as belonging to &quot;The Troll of Sorrow&quot;...well, far be it from me to say with any certainty what one may discover!  And groundless lawsuits, ladies and gentlemen!  Nay, but it just doesn&#039;t fit the harassment profile, you say.  If anything is certain, it is that &lt;em&gt;if&lt;/em&gt; Jason Gabriel Gonella is indeed the Trollo Sorrow, he has yet to use his real name either here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003
or here:
http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pedro, at #75,</p>

	<p>couldn&#8217;t possibly be Jason Gabriel Gonella, nor the infamously dubbed &#8220;Troll of Sorrow,&#8221; well-known for his cowardly excrement-slinging and destructive harassment all across the Internet.  No, it couldn&#8217;t possibly be.  And to even suggest such a thing would be to expose this owners of this site to frivolous lawsuits, for which Jason Gabriel Gonella&#8212;whether or not he is indeed the Troll of Sorrow&#8212;would eventually have to pay himself, anti-slapp style.  That said, if one were to google &#8220;Jason Gabriel Gonella,&#8221; say, on Amazon.com, and to compare his interests and his prose with that of &#8220;Pedro,&#8221; &#8220;perezoso&#8221; or with any number of other handles, by now well-known as belonging to &#8220;The Troll of Sorrow&#8221;&#8230;well, far be it from me to say with any certainty what one may discover!  And groundless lawsuits, ladies and gentlemen!  Nay, but it just doesn&#8217;t fit the harassment profile, you say.  If anything is certain, it is that <em>if</em> Jason Gabriel Gonella is indeed the Trollo Sorrow, he has yet to use his real name either here:<br />
<a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003" rel="nofollow">http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003</a><br />
or here:<br />
<a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html" rel="nofollow">http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fed Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 05:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, at #75, is &lt;em&gt;obviously not&lt;/em&gt; Jason Gabriel Gonella, nor has he been infamously dubbed &quot;The Troll of Sorrow&quot; for his endless cowardly excrement-slinging all over the Internet (he is certainly not obsessed with such &quot;loser&quot; sites; anymore than he is with John Emerson).  To suggest such a thing would be to expose the owners of this site to frivolous lawsuits, for which the Troll of Sorrow, whether he is in fact Jason Gabriel Gonella or not, would eventually have to pay, all by himself, anti-slapp style.  To resort to groundless lawsuits, ladies and gentlemen, why it simply does not fit the asshole harassment profile one bit!  And yet, if one were to google Jason Gabriel Gonella, say, at Amazon.com, and to compare his prose and interests to those of &quot;Pedro,&quot; &quot;perezoso&quot; and the Troll of Sorrow&#039;s various other well-known handles, well...far be it from me to say for certain, but there may or may not be ample more evidence accumulating, in addition to that collected here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003
and here:
http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html
to shame this trollo out of destructive harassment commission for months, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pedro, at #75, is <em>obviously not</em> Jason Gabriel Gonella, nor has he been infamously dubbed &#8220;The Troll of Sorrow&#8221; for his endless cowardly excrement-slinging all over the Internet (he is certainly not obsessed with such &#8220;loser&#8221; sites; anymore than he is with John Emerson).  To suggest such a thing would be to expose the owners of this site to frivolous lawsuits, for which the Troll of Sorrow, whether he is in fact Jason Gabriel Gonella or not, would eventually have to pay, all by himself, anti-slapp style.  To resort to groundless lawsuits, ladies and gentlemen, why it simply does not fit the asshole harassment profile one bit!  And yet, if one were to google Jason Gabriel Gonella, say, at Amazon.com, and to compare his prose and interests to those of &#8220;Pedro,&#8221; &#8220;perezoso&#8221; and the Troll of Sorrow&#8217;s various other well-known handles, well&#8230;far be it from me to say for certain, but there may or may not be ample more evidence accumulating, in addition to that collected here:<br />
<a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003" rel="nofollow">http://www.haloscan.com/comments/adamkotsko/113293064682691274/#366003</a><br />
and here:<br />
<a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html" rel="nofollow">http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2005/11/anatomy_of_a_tr.html</a><br />
to shame this trollo out of destructive harassment commission for months, at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Fed Up With the Troll of Sorrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fed Up With the Troll of Sorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedro, at comment #75,

or should I say, Jason Gabriel Gonella, aka &quot;The Troll of Sorrow...&quot; (yes, you&#039;re easy to spot these days, terrorizing all these &quot;loser blogs&quot; like one obsessived): 

Your dislike for John Emerson (and the blogs to which he posts) is not exactly a secret, it is true.  But do you really think people fail to spot your excrement prose by now?  

And now that I&#039;ve called you out, to stay true to form you will of course need to follow-up this comment, eventually, with the threat of a frivolous and groundless lawsuit, from what I hear.  But then it must be increasingly hard to keep up, being such an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pedro, at comment #75,</p>

	<p>or should I say, Jason Gabriel Gonella, aka &#8220;The Troll of Sorrow&#8230;&#8221; (yes, you&#8217;re easy to spot these days, terrorizing all these &#8220;loser blogs&#8221; like one obsessived):</p>

	<p>Your dislike for John Emerson (and the blogs to which he posts) is not exactly a secret, it is true.  But do you really think people fail to spot your excrement prose by now?</p>

	<p>And now that I&#8217;ve called you out, to stay true to form you will of course need to follow-up this comment, eventually, with the threat of a frivolous and groundless lawsuit, from what I hear.  But then it must be increasingly hard to keep up, being such an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 07:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone have any ideas on alternative careers that overlap with sociology (or others) in terms of skills or interests?  JD/MBA/MD/tech/etc are all well and good financially, but they seem like fundamentally different kinds of lives.  The question is whether a person otherwise suited for academia would really enjoy or be good at these other kinds of options.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyone have any ideas on alternative careers that overlap with sociology (or others) in terms of skills or interests?  JD/MBA/MD/tech/etc are all well and good financially, but they seem like fundamentally different kinds of lives.  The question is whether a person otherwise suited for academia would really enjoy or be good at these other kinds of options.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hu</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-3/#comment-126650</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Hu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 01:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12:&quot;Most of the graduates got jobs at average state institutions. &quot;

If this is your definition of an unhappy outcome, then don&#039;t go to grad school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#12:&#8221;Most of the graduates got jobs at average state institutions. &#8221;</p>

	<p>If this is your definition of an unhappy outcome, then don&#8217;t go to grad school.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand, librarians can work in a variety of areas, not just universities or public libraries. They know a lot about information storage and retrieval, and researching generally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As I understand, librarians can work in a variety of areas, not just universities or public libraries. They know a lot about information storage and retrieval, and researching generally.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrye</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-2/#comment-126533</link>
		<dc:creator>Wrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having an MLS is not, in and of itself, a ticket to academic librarianship; many University libraries these days want you to have an advanced degree or teaching experience in a field before your MLS can get you in the door.  And getting funding of any sort in a Library school can be difficult, with the &quot;jobs raining from the sky&quot; myth held up as some sort of justification.  YMMV, of course, but all the previous cautions about debt and funding still apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Having an <span class="caps">MLS</span> is not, in and of itself, a ticket to academic librarianship; many University libraries these days want you to have an advanced degree or teaching experience in a field before your <span class="caps">MLS</span> can get you in the door.  And getting funding of any sort in a Library school can be difficult, with the &#8220;jobs raining from the sky&#8221; myth held up as some sort of justification.  <span class="caps">YMMV</span>, of course, but all the previous cautions about debt and funding still apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim O'Keefe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-2/#comment-126532</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim O'Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To jeff l (comment 79):

The advice above about considering moving up (getting an MA from one institution and then transferring) makes sense. Another option is to go to a university with a good terminal MA program, where lots of people will be in your situation: coming from a less well-known place, or whetever, and wanting to spiffy up their applications for good Ph.D. programs. (I&#039;m biased, as I teah in such a program, but I still think it should be kept in mind.)

I would also advise, if your GPA was significantly lowered because of a couple of semesters of Fs due to personal problems, that you be upfront in your cover letter about why you have the transcript that you do, or ask one of your letter writers to address the issue. Otherwise many places (with large numbers of good-looking applicants) will simply see that your GPA is e.g., 3.2, and chuck your application out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To jeff l (comment 79):</p>

	<p>The advice above about considering moving up (getting an MA from one institution and then transferring) makes sense. Another option is to go to a university with a good terminal MA program, where lots of people will be in your situation: coming from a less well-known place, or whetever, and wanting to spiffy up their applications for good Ph.D. programs. (I&#8217;m biased, as I teah in such a program, but I still think it should be kept in mind.)</p>

	<p>I would also advise, if your <span class="caps">GPA</span> was significantly lowered because of a couple of semesters of Fs due to personal problems, that you be upfront in your cover letter about why you have the transcript that you do, or ask one of your letter writers to address the issue. Otherwise many places (with large numbers of good-looking applicants) will simply see that your <span class="caps">GPA</span> is e.g., 3.2, and chuck your application out.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had several moderately interesting, low-stress, low-paying jobs. I got off work fresh and did my own thing at night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have had several moderately interesting, low-stress, low-paying jobs. I got off work fresh and did my own thing at night.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Several people have mentioned unpleasant things about being an academic, and their comments are well taken. But can you name for me a job that isn’t accompanied by some unpleasantness?&lt;/i&gt;

Speaking strictly for myself, Nathan, there&#039;s a crucial distinction between academic jobs and the other kinds you refer to: the relative ease of changing jobs when you find yourself in a situation not to your liking. I was considering an academic career in the smallest of anthropology&#039;s four subfields--even in the best years, no more than a dozen or so tenure-track jobs are likely to open up, and many of these will be restricted in terms of geographical area of study or other specialization. And as I pointed out above, having to relocate is pretty much guaranteed.

Simply put, an associate attorney or physician in a large city, upon finding herself in an intolerable work environment, will have an infinitely easier time finding a position in the same city than will an assistant prof in linguistic anthropology--and this is one of the factors that ultimately scared me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Several people have mentioned unpleasant things about being an academic, and their comments are well taken. But can you name for me a job that isn&#8217;t accompanied by some unpleasantness?</i></p>

	<p>Speaking strictly for myself, Nathan, there&#8217;s a crucial distinction between academic jobs and the other kinds you refer to: the relative ease of changing jobs when you find yourself in a situation not to your liking. I was considering an academic career in the smallest of anthropology&#8217;s four subfields&#8212;even in the best years, no more than a dozen or so tenure-track jobs are likely to open up, and many of these will be restricted in terms of geographical area of study or other specialization. And as I pointed out above, having to relocate is pretty much guaranteed.</p>

	<p>Simply put, an associate attorney or physician in a large city, upon finding herself in an intolerable work environment, will have an infinitely easier time finding a position in the same city than will an assistant prof in linguistic anthropology&#8212;and this is one of the factors that ultimately scared me off.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny Easwaran -- the quantitative decline wouldn&#039;t be enormous, but a lot of the remaining jobs would be harder because of no TAs, and less interesting because of no grad students.

Nathan, one of the big issues is debt, and Brian and I agreed on that one, though I think that he overestimated the proportion of fully funded grad school positions. 

I agree with you that lower-middle-class income would be OK if everything else was. Adjuncts, though, have (besides low pay) no security, and they aften have hectic workloads (often part time at several schools) making the fun part of teaching/studying hard to spend much time on,

Careerwise, with the exception of library science,  no one has mentioned any of the various certificate / MA type programs which lead to pretty good jobs, some of them even without the BA. ESL is another, and there are many jobs in medical and high tech fields. They often do require tech rather than verbal skills, but often not at a terribly demanding level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kenny Easwaran&#8212;the quantitative decline wouldn&#8217;t be enormous, but a lot of the remaining jobs would be harder because of no TAs, and less interesting because of no grad students.</p>

	<p>Nathan, one of the big issues is debt, and Brian and I agreed on that one, though I think that he overestimated the proportion of fully funded grad school positions.</p>

	<p>I agree with you that lower-middle-class income would be OK if everything else was. Adjuncts, though, have (besides low pay) no security, and they aften have hectic workloads (often part time at several schools) making the fun part of teaching/studying hard to spend much time on,</p>

	<p>Careerwise, with the exception of library science,  no one has mentioned any of the various certificate / MA type programs which lead to pretty good jobs, some of them even without the BA. <span class="caps">ESL</span> is another, and there are many jobs in medical and high tech fields. They often do require tech rather than verbal skills, but often not at a terribly demanding level.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 09:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>65 and 84 - it&#039;s true that if people took Brian&#039;s advice and only applied to the top PhD programs, most of the others would have to close up shop.  However, while this would mean a decline in the number of jobs available, it wouldn&#039;t be a drastic decline.  There are only(?) about 120 PhD programs in philosophy, maybe about 150 counting Canada, UK, and Australasia.  However, there are more than 150 institutions (I estimate around 180) hiring in this month&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Jobs for Philosophers&lt;/i&gt;, several of them hiring for more than one position.  There are several thousand colleges and universities in the US alone, and I would guess at least that several hundred of them have some sort of philosophy department.

If the number of PhD programs dropped from 150 to 50, then some large number of departments would downsize, but they wouldn&#039;t disappear entirely.  More relevantly, they wouldn&#039;t pump out so many PhDs to compete for the jobs that remain.  So Brian&#039;s advice would result in a sustainable equilibrium at some level.  Of course, the jobs that are lost would be many of the best (though not the very very best) jobs, but there would still be plenty of tenure track jobs for the graduates of the smaller number of institutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>65 and 84 &#8211; it&#8217;s true that if people took Brian&#8217;s advice and only applied to the top PhD programs, most of the others would have to close up shop.  However, while this would mean a decline in the number of jobs available, it wouldn&#8217;t be a drastic decline.  There are only(?) about 120 PhD programs in philosophy, maybe about 150 counting Canada, UK, and Australasia.  However, there are more than 150 institutions (I estimate around 180) hiring in this month&#8217;s <i>Jobs for Philosophers</i>, several of them hiring for more than one position.  There are several thousand colleges and universities in the US alone, and I would guess at least that several hundred of them have some sort of philosophy department.</p>

	<p>If the number of PhD programs dropped from 150 to 50, then some large number of departments would downsize, but they wouldn&#8217;t disappear entirely.  More relevantly, they wouldn&#8217;t pump out so many PhDs to compete for the jobs that remain.  So Brian&#8217;s advice would result in a sustainable equilibrium at some level.  Of course, the jobs that are lost would be many of the best (though not the very very best) jobs, but there would still be plenty of tenure track jobs for the graduates of the smaller number of institutions.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/11/30/go-to-grad-school/comment-page-2/#comment-126516</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 05:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the record my only problem with Scott Spiegelberg&#039;s comment is that he writes as if everyone else shares his understanding.  What is the philosphical status not of the musical historian but of of the &lt;i&gt;musician&lt;/i&gt;?   He takes for granted what John defends, and what I think John needs to do a better job defending. 
Pedro on the other hand, can go fuck himself.

If that crosses a line, &lt;i&gt;so be it&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And for the record my only problem with Scott Spiegelberg&#8217;s comment is that he writes as if everyone else shares his understanding.  What is the philosphical status not of the musical historian but of of the <i>musician</i>?   He takes for granted what John defends, and what I think John needs to do a better job defending.<br />
Pedro on the other hand, can go fuck himself.</p>

	<p>If that crosses a line, <i>so be it</i>.</p>
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