Comments on: World Values Survey http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sat, 26 May 2012 19:21:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Adam Stephanides http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-129898 Adam Stephanides Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:00:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/#comment-129898 I'm no expert, but I was a sociology grad student for a while, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone define working class the way Gopoian and Whitehead do. I've always seen class and education treated as separate variables. I’m no expert, but I was a sociology grad student for a while, and I don’t recall ever seeing anyone define working class the way Gopoian and Whitehead do. I’ve always seen class and education treated as separate variables.

]]> By: radek http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-129846 radek Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:22:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/#comment-129846 Am I reading it wrong or does it say that in US in 1990, 71% of respondents Disaproved of abortion when the woman's unmarried, and 75% when married? Is this true? If so I'm pretty surprised. Am I reading it wrong or does it say that in US in 1990, 71% of respondents Disaproved of abortion when the woman’s unmarried, and 75% when married?

Is this true? If so I’m pretty surprised.

]]> By: John Emerson http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-129715 John Emerson Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:20:10 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/#comment-129715 <i>In a broad version of the prevailing definition, the white working class consists of white voters whose education has stopped short of a four-year college degree. </i> Median white working class income was $44,000, which means that many working-class people are making $50,000, $60,000, or more. Using college as a decider effectively makes the cultural factors dominant -- a college graduate earning $25,000 in a coffee shop would not be working class. Using poverty as a decider makes it a compassion issue. (However, excluding retired workers from the working class is tendentious.) If you imagine two people making $50,000, one college-educated and one not, then the dividers probably will be cultural. If the working class were redefined as low paid workers of all races (including the lower half, say, of the standard working class), plus retired workers, you would have a politically usable category. Calling someone making $65,000 a year "working class" because he doesn't have a four-year degree is stupid. Part of this story may be the way some college degrees have become economically useless, whereas some two-year programs lead to good jobs, and hi-tech as I understand is not degree-obsessed. I've known several people who entered two-year tech programs AFTER they'd recieved 4-year degrees. In a broad version of the prevailing definition, the white working class consists of white voters whose education has stopped short of a four-year college degree.

Median white working class income was $44,000, which means that many working-class people are making $50,000, $60,000, or more.

Using college as a decider effectively makes the cultural factors dominant—a college graduate earning $25,000 in a coffee shop would not be working class. Using poverty as a decider makes it a compassion issue. (However, excluding retired workers from the working class is tendentious.)

If you imagine two people making $50,000, one college-educated and one not, then the dividers probably will be cultural.

If the working class were redefined as low paid workers of all races (including the lower half, say, of the standard working class), plus retired workers, you would have a politically usable category. Calling someone making $65,000 a year “working class” because he doesn’t have a four-year degree is stupid.

Part of this story may be the way some college degrees have become economically useless, whereas some two-year programs lead to good jobs, and hi-tech as I understand is not degree-obsessed. I’ve known several people who entered two-year tech programs AFTER they’d recieved 4-year degrees.

]]> By: Grand Moff Texan http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/comment-page-1/#comment-129482 Grand Moff Texan Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:38:19 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/14/world-values-survey/#comment-129482 An interesting site. I wonder if there's a way to measure, worldwide, the gulf between stated and performed values? . An interesting site. I wonder if there’s a way to measure, worldwide, the gulf between stated and performed values?
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