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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129925</link>
		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eszter, the reason Technorati is quick is because most blog software pings technorati on each new post. I really can&#039;t see why it would take half an hour; it should be (nearly) instantaneous. Since Google uses pings of weblogs.com and (presumably) technorati (see Google &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/help/about_blogsearch.html#getlisted&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blogsearch help&lt;/a&gt;), it should be equally quick. I was going to test this by finding a recently updated blog on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weblogs.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;weblogs.com&lt;/a&gt;, but they all look like spam blogs to me, and the last CT post was a few hours ago, which isn&#039;t much help. Still, an experiment shouldn&#039;t be beyond the wit of other readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eszter, the reason Technorati is quick is because most blog software pings technorati on each new post. I really can&#8217;t see why it would take half an hour; it should be (nearly) instantaneous. Since Google uses pings of weblogs.com and (presumably) technorati (see Google <a href="http://www.google.com/help/about_blogsearch.html#getlisted" rel="nofollow">blogsearch help</a>), it should be equally quick. I was going to test this by finding a recently updated blog on <a href="http://www.weblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">weblogs.com</a>, but they all look like spam blogs to me, and the last CT post was a few hours ago, which isn&#8217;t much help. Still, an experiment shouldn&#8217;t be beyond the wit of other readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129839</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry -- I think I included a hyphen that broke everything (&quot;preview&quot; notwithstanding). 

[Fixed, but may no longer work as a link! CB]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry&#8212;I think I included a hyphen that broke everything (&#8220;preview&#8221; notwithstanding).</p>

	<p>[Fixed, but may no longer work as a link! CB]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129838</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eszter, I think the &quot;link:&quot; operator counts specific pages as well as the top-level domain.  If I search for &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;scoring=d&amp;filter=0&amp;q=link%3Acosmicvariance.com&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link:cosmicvariance.com&lt;/a&gt;,  I get 600 entries, most of which are pointing to specific pages rather than the top page of the blog.  If I search for &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;scoring=d&amp;filter=0&amp;q=%22cosmic+variance%22+-site%3Acosmicvariance.com&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;cosmic variance&quot; - site:cosmicvariance.com&lt;/a&gt;, I also get about 600 entries; but if I search for  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;scoring=d&amp;filter=0&amp;q=link%3Acosmicvariance.com+-site%3Acosmicvariance.com&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link:cosmicvariance.com -site:cosmicvariance.com&lt;/a&gt;, I get nothing.  And not because all of our links are from ourselves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eszter, I think the &#8220;link:&#8221; operator counts specific pages as well as the top-level domain.  If I search for <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;scoring=d&#038;filter=0&#038;q=link%3Acosmicvariance.com&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs" rel="nofollow">link:cosmicvariance.com</a>,  I get 600 entries, most of which are pointing to specific pages rather than the top page of the blog.  If I search for <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;scoring=d&#038;filter=0&#038;q=%22cosmic+variance%22+-site%3Acosmicvariance.com&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs" rel="nofollow">&#8220;cosmic variance&#8221; &#8211; site:cosmicvariance.com</a>, I also get about 600 entries; but if I search for  <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;scoring=d&#038;filter=0&#038;q=link%3Acosmicvariance.com+-site%3Acosmicvariance.com&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs" rel="nofollow">link:cosmicvariance.com -site:cosmicvariance.com</a>, I get nothing.  And not because all of our links are from ourselves!</p>
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129823</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; the relationship between the English “wicket” and the French “guichet”&lt;/i&gt;

Forehead, palm.

Let me try to compound the coolness - at least for the few francophones that may be lurking around - the serendipity post mentions the &lt;a href=&quot;http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv4/showps.exe?p=combi.htm;java=no;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tlfi&lt;/a&gt;, an incrediblygoodalicious free french online dictionary. &quot;I don&#039;t need anymore my 10 kilos paper dico&quot; kind of good.

If you&#039;re man enough for all the diacritics, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> the relationship between the English &#8220;wicket&#8221; and the French &#8220;guichet&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Forehead, palm.</p>

	<p>Let me try to compound the coolness &#8211; at least for the few francophones that may be lurking around &#8211; the serendipity post mentions the <a href="http://atilf.atilf.fr/dendien/scripts/tlfiv4/showps.exe?p=combi.htm;java=no;" rel="nofollow">Tlfi</a>, an incrediblygoodalicious free french online dictionary. &#8220;I don&#8217;t need anymore my 10 kilos paper dico&#8221; kind of good.</p>

	<p>If you&#8217;re man enough for all the diacritics, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129821</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, no need to add the &quot;http://&quot;, just say site:xyz.abc or -site:xyz.abc depending on whether you want it included or not. 

Sean, could the reason for the discrepancy be that the &quot;link:&quot; feature works with specific URLs?  So if you&#039;re running a query on link:crookedtimber.og then that query may miss out on links to specific blog pages, no?  Or did I misunderstand what you were doing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>By the way, no need to add the &#8220;http://&#8221;, just say site:xyz.abc or -site:xyz.abc depending on whether you want it included or not.</p>

	<p>Sean, could the reason for the discrepancy be that the &#8220;link:&#8221; feature works with specific URLs?  So if you&#8217;re running a query on link:crookedtimber.og then that query may miss out on links to specific blog pages, no?  Or did I misunderstand what you were doing?</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129811</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious, I get very similar results running the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technorati.com/search/%22crooked+timber%22+-site%3Acrookedtimber.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;same search&lt;/a&gt; on Technorati.

Technorati has been known to have blog posts indexed within half an hour. Does anyone know how long Google takes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Curious, I get very similar results running the <a href="http://www.technorati.com/search/%22crooked+timber%22+-site%3Acrookedtimber.org" rel="nofollow">same search</a> on Technorati.</p>

	<p>Technorati has been known to have blog posts indexed within half an hour. Does anyone know how long Google takes?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2005/12/15/alternative-frenzy-of-renown/comment-page-1/#comment-129804</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little baffled.  It should be much simpler just to search for &quot;link:crookedtimber.org&quot;, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;scoring=d&amp;filter=0&amp;q=link%3Acrookedtimber.org+&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Then you catch people who link to you without using the phrase &quot;Crooked Timber&quot; (which might be a substantial fraction).

Two weird problems:  first, if you try to include &quot;-site:http://crookedtimber.org/&quot;, which should find posts that link to you but aren&#039;t on your own blog, the search returns nothing.  Second, as a matter of fact, the search you&#039;ve set up finds lots of posts that the &quot;link:&quot; tag doesn&#039;t, even if they are clearly linking to you (700 my way, over 3,000 your way).  Funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a little baffled.  It should be much simpler just to search for &#8220;link:crookedtimber.org&#8221;, as <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&#038;scoring=d&#038;filter=0&#038;q=link%3Acrookedtimber.org+&#038;btnG=Search+Blogs" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Then you catch people who link to you without using the phrase &#8220;Crooked Timber&#8221; (which might be a substantial fraction).</p>

	<p>Two weird problems:  first, if you try to include &#8220;-site:<a href="http://crookedtimber.org/" rel="nofollow">http://crookedtimber.org/</a>&#8220;, which should find posts that link to you but aren&#8217;t on your own blog, the search returns nothing.  Second, as a matter of fact, the search you&#8217;ve set up finds lots of posts that the &#8220;link:&#8221; tag doesn&#8217;t, even if they are clearly linking to you (700 my way, over 3,000 your way).  Funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I found something cool straight away, namely, &quot;this discussion&quot;:http://serendipity.lascribe.net/ling-lang/2005/12/wicket-guichet of the relationship between the English &quot;wicket&quot; and the French &quot;guichet&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And I found something cool straight away, namely, <a href="<a" title="">this discussion</a> href=&#8221;http://serendipity.lascribe.net/ling-lang/2005/12/wicket-guichet&#8221; rel=&#8221;nofollow&#8221;>http://serendipity.lascribe.net/ling-lang/2005/12/wicket-guichet of the relationship between the English &#8220;wicket&#8221; and the French &#8220;guichet&#8221;.</p>
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