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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139573</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt you will all be gratified to know that Henry’s comment in # 2 has bourne fruit.

&quot;Jelly-bellied Flag-flapper&quot; now brings up an interesting page on Google’s &quot;I feel lucky&quot; option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No doubt you will all be gratified to know that Henry&#8217;s comment in # 2 has bourne fruit.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Jelly-bellied Flag-flapper&#8221; now brings up an interesting page on Google&#8217;s &#8220;I feel lucky&#8221; option.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139433</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 23:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Plus, it doesn’t return MPs in the ruling party&quot;

The thing is that mainstream political parties in Britain are (very sensibly) resistant to suggestions of running approved party candidates in NI elections. The result is that all the political parties with candidates there are specific to Ireland, in most cases specific to just NI but with Sinn Fein running candidates both north and south of the border. 

Understandably, followers of Dr Paisley are apt to interpret this as indicating a closet sentiment on the part of Britain&#039;s mainstream parties to cut NI adrift, which is why Dr Paisley is content that the Good Friday agreement should fail and NI should be governed by direct rule.

Many of us learned long ago, the politics of Ireland provide exceptions to almost any rule. FWIW I suspect that the predominant sentiment among British voters now is that they would have no objection to either independence for NI or for the consensual unification of Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Plus, it doesn&#8217;t return MPs in the ruling party&#8221;</p>

	<p>The thing is that mainstream political parties in Britain are (very sensibly) resistant to suggestions of running approved party candidates in NI elections. The result is that all the political parties with candidates there are specific to Ireland, in most cases specific to just NI but with Sinn Fein running candidates both north and south of the border.</p>

	<p>Understandably, followers of Dr Paisley are apt to interpret this as indicating a closet sentiment on the part of Britain&#8217;s mainstream parties to cut NI adrift, which is why Dr Paisley is content that the Good Friday agreement should fail and NI should be governed by direct rule.</p>

	<p>Many of us learned long ago, the politics of Ireland provide exceptions to almost any rule. <span class="caps">FWIW I</span> suspect that the predominant sentiment among British voters now is that they would have no objection to either independence for NI or for the consensual unification of Ireland.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139219</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Northern Ireland doesn&#039;t fit the profile. It&#039;s amller than Scotland, and doesn&#039;t vote as a block. (Okay, most of the people who take their seats will vote as a block, but it&#039;s a small block.)
Plus, it doesn&#039;t return MPs in the ruling party, so it doesn&#039;t have any candidates for ministerial office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Northern Ireland doesn&#8217;t fit the profile. It&#8217;s amller than Scotland, and doesn&#8217;t vote as a block. (Okay, most of the people who take their seats will vote as a block, but it&#8217;s a small block.)<br />
Plus, it doesn&#8217;t return MPs in the ruling party, so it doesn&#8217;t have any candidates for ministerial office.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139153</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and the Scotch-Irish gave us ANdrew Jackson and John Wilkes Booth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, and the Scotch-Irish gave us ANdrew Jackson and John Wilkes Booth.</p>
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		<title>By: dp</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139073</link>
		<dc:creator>dp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On the contrary—all you need is a country with a region that tends to vote as a bloc, with enough votes to swing the election to one party or another.&quot;

So, in the UK, is that Northern Ireland?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;On the contrary&#8212;all you need is a country with a region that tends to vote as a bloc, with enough votes to swing the election to one party or another.&#8221;</p>

	<p>So, in the UK, is that Northern Ireland?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139058</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Demoralising for whom, exactly?&quot;

All apart from the Scots who seem to have made an entirely disproportionate contribution to civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Demoralising for whom, exactly?&#8221;</p>

	<p>All apart from the Scots who seem to have made an entirely disproportionate contribution to civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Simon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139057</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And can I just add that in a truly Federal country (such as Canada, the USA or Australia) to see so many senior Cabinet Ministers from one small region of the country would be very strange.&lt;/em&gt;

On the contrary--all you need is a country with a region that tends to vote as a bloc, with enough votes to swing the election to one party or another.  Political parties will inevitably cater disproportionately to such a region, in the hope of winning and maintaining its loyalty.

In Canada, where Quebec fits this description perfectly, the cabinet routinely overrepresents Quebeckers.  In fact, between 1968 and 2003, the total amount of time a non-Quebecker was prime minister adds up to about a year and a half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>And can I just add that in a truly Federal country (such as Canada, the <span class="caps">USA</span> or Australia) to see so many senior Cabinet Ministers from one small region of the country would be very strange.</em></p>

	<p>On the contrary&#8212;all you need is a country with a region that tends to vote as a bloc, with enough votes to swing the election to one party or another.  Political parties will inevitably cater disproportionately to such a region, in the hope of winning and maintaining its loyalty.</p>

	<p>In Canada, where Quebec fits this description perfectly, the cabinet routinely overrepresents Quebeckers.  In fact, between 1968 and 2003, the total amount of time a non-Quebecker was prime minister adds up to about a year and a half.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demoralising for whom, exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Demoralising for whom, exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139049</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listing famous Scots quickly becomes a thoroughly demoralising exercise. To mention a few: Napier (logarithms), David Hume (philosophy), Adam Smith (economics), James Watt (steam engine), Lister (antiseptics - phenol), James Maxwell (unified theory of electricity and magnetism, said to be the high point of 19th century science), William Kelvin (absolute zero temperature, cable communications etc), John Logie Baird (television), Robert Watson-Watt (radar), Alexander Fleming (penicillin).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Listing famous Scots quickly becomes a thoroughly demoralising exercise. To mention a few: Napier (logarithms), David Hume (philosophy), Adam Smith (economics), James Watt (steam engine), Lister (antiseptics &#8211; phenol), James Maxwell (unified theory of electricity and magnetism, said to be the high point of 19th century science), William Kelvin (absolute zero temperature, cable communications etc), John Logie Baird (television), Robert Watson-Watt (radar), Alexander Fleming (penicillin).</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elron.com/default1.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Elron&lt;/a&gt; Hubbard? The great pseudo-religious software manufacturer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://www.elron.com/default1.asp" rel="nofollow">Elron</a> Hubbard? The great pseudo-religious software manufacturer?</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t the Scots control both the Masons and the (once-)Bavarian Illuminati? 

Elron Hubbard -- Scottish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t the Scots control both the Masons and the (once-)Bavarian Illuminati?</p>

	<p>Elron Hubbard&#8212;Scottish?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-139016</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an excellent series of official web pages on Britain&#039;s monarchs at:
http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page111.asp

Among the many values of the series are the sharp insights into constitutional developments. With the periodic bouts of insanity of George III (r 1760-1820) and the marital problems of his son, George IV (r 1820-30), we can understand how Britain&#039;s constitution evolved by steps into the constitutional monarchy of Victoria (r 1837-1901). Bagehot on the English Constitution (2nd ed 1873) chp.3 is the classic statement on the functions of a constitutional monarch:

&quot;To state the matter shortly, the sovereign has, under a constitutional monarchy such as ours, three rights — the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn.&quot;
http://www.ecn.bris.ac.uk/het/bagehot/constitution.pdf

Contrast the transition in Britain with what happened in France on the fall of the Bastille in 1789 and the aftermath in the period of terror and then the revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. While France endured the trauma of a political revolution and almost permanent wars through to Waterloo in 1815, Britain pioneered the transition to an industrialised economy. Strangely, they are still complaining about anglo-saxon ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is an excellent series of official web pages on Britain&#8217;s monarchs at:<br />
<a href="http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page111.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page111.asp</a></p>

	<p>Among the many values of the series are the sharp insights into constitutional developments. With the periodic bouts of insanity of George <span class="caps">III </span>(r 1760-1820) and the marital problems of his son, George <span class="caps">IV </span>(r 1820-30), we can understand how Britain&#8217;s constitution evolved by steps into the constitutional monarchy of Victoria (r 1837-1901). Bagehot on the English Constitution (2nd ed 1873) chp.3 is the classic statement on the functions of a constitutional monarch:</p>

	<p>&#8220;To state the matter shortly, the sovereign has, under a constitutional monarchy such as ours, three rights &#8212; the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ecn.bris.ac.uk/het/bagehot/constitution.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecn.bris.ac.uk/het/bagehot/constitution.pdf</a></p>

	<p>Contrast the transition in Britain with what happened in France on the fall of the Bastille in 1789 and the aftermath in the period of terror and then the revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. While France endured the trauma of a political revolution and almost permanent wars through to Waterloo in 1815, Britain pioneered the transition to an industrialised economy. Strangely, they are still complaining about anglo-saxon ways.</p>
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		<title>By: H.M. The Queen</title>
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		<dc:creator>H.M. The Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But George I, the first of the Hanoverians, couldn’t speak English ...&quot;

A tradition which one has tried to maintain to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But George I, the first of the Hanoverians, couldn&#8217;t speak English &#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>A tradition which one has tried to maintain to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/14/a-flag-in-every-garden/comment-page-2/#comment-138973</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How much worse was the indignity of the ascension of the Stuarts, in the person of James I, than the importation of the Hanover band in the person of George I?&quot;

But George I, the first of the Hanoverians, couldn&#039;t speak English, which was most convenient as that created scope for the development of cabinet government the proceedings of which he couldn&#039;t follow. Historically, the Hanoverians, inadvertently or otherwise, came to fulfil a crucial role in moving the monarchy by increments into becoming what came to be called &quot;constitutional monarchs&quot; instead of absolute rulers. Compare the powers and political influence of George I with that of his contemporary Louis XIV, king of France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;How much worse was the indignity of the ascension of the Stuarts, in the person of James I, than the importation of the Hanover band in the person of George I?&#8221;</p>

	<p>But George I, the first of the Hanoverians, couldn&#8217;t speak English, which was most convenient as that created scope for the development of cabinet government the proceedings of which he couldn&#8217;t follow. Historically, the Hanoverians, inadvertently or otherwise, came to fulfil a crucial role in moving the monarchy by increments into becoming what came to be called &#8220;constitutional monarchs&#8221; instead of absolute rulers. Compare the powers and political influence of George I with that of his contemporary Louis <span class="caps">XIV</span>, king of France.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, how are you defining &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oligarchy&lt;/a&gt;&quot;? Scots are still a minority and not a controlling one in Parliament or the Cabinet, so excuse me, but I fail to see how I have provided an &quot;explanation for the existence of a Scottish oligarchy&quot; -- which doesn&#039;t exist outside your head.

&quot;Under the British system, the PM gets to choose his Cabinet, himself, alone.&quot; Oh, Peter, I think we&#039;ve all seen what happens if talented MPs are left on the backbenches. Remember Geoffrey Howe in 1990, or even Enoch Powell&#039;s &quot;Vote Labour&quot; in 1974? Sure Phoney Tony has a &quot;choice&quot; of whom to appoint; it&#039;s just a much less free choice than you seem to believe.

As for your point #50; I was thinking the same thing before I read your comment. Well, sort of. How many Republicans in the cabinet are from Coastal States? and when the Democrats are in power, how many of those in powerful positions come from the mid-West?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Peter, how are you defining &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy" rel="nofollow">oligarchy</a>&#8220;? Scots are still a minority and not a controlling one in Parliament or the Cabinet, so excuse me, but I fail to see how I have provided an &#8220;explanation for the existence of a Scottish oligarchy&#8221;&#8212;which doesn&#8217;t exist outside your head.</p>

	<p>&#8220;Under the British system, the PM gets to choose his Cabinet, himself, alone.&#8221; Oh, Peter, I think we&#8217;ve all seen what happens if talented MPs are left on the backbenches. Remember Geoffrey Howe in 1990, or even Enoch Powell&#8217;s &#8220;Vote Labour&#8221; in 1974? Sure Phoney Tony has a &#8220;choice&#8221; of whom to appoint; it&#8217;s just a much less free choice than you seem to believe.</p>

	<p>As for your point #50; I was thinking the same thing before I read your comment. Well, sort of. How many Republicans in the cabinet are from Coastal States? and when the Democrats are in power, how many of those in powerful positions come from the mid-West?</p>
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