<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: In plain view</title>
	<atom:link href="http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/</link>
	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 21:58:23 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barbar</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-142084</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-142084</guid>
		<description>Oh I didn&#039;t even get that far -- the way he just proves his innocence beyond a shadow of doubt is just breathtaking:

&lt;i&gt;Tim Lambert, little child of the Outback, is desperate for me to post a comment on his website denying that I set up a sock puppet. For one, he’d sell his mother’s soul to increase his declining blog rankings by one iota. For another, he’d succeed in making me break my vow not to post on his silly little site. So he continues to say I’ve made no denial since I’ve made none on Deltoid — a rather egocentric view of the world to say the least. &lt;b&gt;What’s most interesting is the paucity of comments he’s gotten on his “still no denial” charge and even the lack of interest shown by those who did comment. In other words, if I did set up a sock puppet it appears nobody but Lambert and his human sockpuppet John (”Duh, whaddya want me to say, Tim?”) Fleck seems to care. Alternatively, they may not believe Lambert.&lt;/b&gt; Might be a reason for that, since he’s played these games before and set up his own sock puppets.&lt;/i&gt;

I mean, that just &lt;i&gt;reeks&lt;/i&gt; honesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh I didn&#8217;t even get that far&#8212;the way he just proves his innocence beyond a shadow of doubt is just breathtaking:</p>

	<p><i>Tim Lambert, little child of the Outback, is desperate for me to post a comment on his website denying that I set up a sock puppet. For one, he&#8217;d sell his mother&#8217;s soul to increase his declining blog rankings by one iota. For another, he&#8217;d succeed in making me break my vow not to post on his silly little site. So he continues to say I&#8217;ve made no denial since I&#8217;ve made none on Deltoid &#8212; a rather egocentric view of the world to say the least. <b>What&#8217;s most interesting is the paucity of comments he&#8217;s gotten on his &#8220;still no denial&#8221; charge and even the lack of interest shown by those who did comment. In other words, if I did set up a sock puppet it appears nobody but Lambert and his human sockpuppet John (&#8221;Duh, whaddya want me to say, Tim?&#8221;) Fleck seems to care. Alternatively, they may not believe Lambert.</b> Might be a reason for that, since he&#8217;s played these games before and set up his own sock puppets.</i></p>

	<p>I mean, that just <i>reeks</i> honesty.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Lambert</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-142067</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lambert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-142067</guid>
		<description>Good catch on that comment, Barbar. Notice that he accidently admits to using a sock puppet:&lt;blockquote&gt;So again and for the last time I will deny ON THIS SITE but not on Lambert’s that I have never posted under any name but my own, his ability to slap together a name with my IP address on a graphic notwithstanding.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those double negatives can be tricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good catch on that comment, Barbar. Notice that he accidently admits to using a sock puppet:<blockquote>So again and for the last time I will deny <span class="caps">ON THIS SITE</span> but not on Lambert&#8217;s that I have never posted under any name but my own, his ability to slap together a name with my IP address on a graphic notwithstanding.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Those double negatives can be tricky.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-142044</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 07:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-142044</guid>
		<description>I think he has printed the comments out and shredded them at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think he has printed the comments out and shredded them at home.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tracy Spenser</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-142038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Spenser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-142038</guid>
		<description>You’re just another pissant “Dear Diary” hack without the good sense to write your thoughts down and throw them into the trash can. Now I am going to do the worst possible thing you can do to somebody who measures his life by “hits.” I’m not going to write to you again, and I’m going to watch your traffic – such as it is – plummet. It must be sad to have jealousy as one’s prime motivator in life, but that is your problem and note mine. &lt;a href=&quot;http://timlambert.org/2004/11/fumento3/#comment-4969&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bye-bye&lt;/a&gt;.

*Fumento&#039;s actual words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re just another pissant &#8220;Dear Diary&#8221; hack without the good sense to write your thoughts down and throw them into the trash can. Now I am going to do the worst possible thing you can do to somebody who measures his life by &#8220;hits.&#8221; I&#8217;m not going to write to you again, and I&#8217;m going to watch your traffic &#8211; such as it is &#8211; plummet. It must be sad to have jealousy as one&#8217;s prime motivator in life, but that is your problem and note mine. <a href="http://timlambert.org/2004/11/fumento3/#comment-4969" rel="nofollow">Bye-bye</a>.</p>

	<p>*Fumento&#8217;s actual words.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-142033</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 03:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-142033</guid>
		<description>Man, that Fumento is one slow-motion shredder.  When are we going to see some action?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Man, that Fumento is one slow-motion shredder.  When are we going to see some action?</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barbar</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141968</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141968</guid>
		<description>Sheesh.  What an embarassment.

Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://xrlq.com/2005/12/18/idiots-with-guns/#comment-42714&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this rather pathetic comment&lt;/a&gt; left by Fumento on another blog.

Not that any of this should shade our opinions of his writing, of course.  That would be the &lt;i&gt;ad hominem&lt;/i&gt; fallacy.  Just because someone repeatedly reveals himself to be a dumbass bully doesn&#039;t mean he isn&#039;t also a dazzling writer with brilliant ideas.  We wouldn&#039;t want to pre-judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheesh.  What an embarassment.</p>

	<p>Check out <a href="http://xrlq.com/2005/12/18/idiots-with-guns/#comment-42714" rel="nofollow"> this rather pathetic comment</a> left by Fumento on another blog.</p>

	<p>Not that any of this should shade our opinions of his writing, of course.  That would be the <i>ad hominem</i> fallacy.  Just because someone repeatedly reveals himself to be a dumbass bully doesn&#8217;t mean he isn&#8217;t also a dazzling writer with brilliant ideas.  We wouldn&#8217;t want to pre-judge.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pablo Stafforini</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141967</link>
		<dc:creator>Pablo Stafforini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141967</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://timlambert.org/category/fumento/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read the whole thing&lt;/a&gt;. The Fumento saga actually gets worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://timlambert.org/category/fumento/" rel="nofollow">Read the whole thing</a>. The Fumento saga actually gets worse.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barbar</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141965</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141965</guid>
		<description>Tracy Spenser -- that&#039;s awesome.  Ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tracy Spenser&#8212;that&#8217;s awesome.  Ha.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141964</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141964</guid>
		<description>And then, of course, there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://timlambert.org/2005/11/sockdar/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tracy Spenser&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And then, of course, there&#8217;s <a href="http://timlambert.org/2005/11/sockdar/" rel="nofollow">Tracy Spenser</a>.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141963</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141963</guid>
		<description>Why use my own words? Wikipedia sums it up pretty accurately:

&quot;On January 13, 2006, Eamon Javers revealed in BusinessWeek Online that Fumento had written opinion columns promoting the biotechnology firm Monsanto without disclosing a $60,000 grant his employer, the Hudson Institute had received from the company in 1999. Scripps Howard News Service, Fumento&#039;s distributor since 2003, dropped his column in consequence.&quot;

Feel free to divide the assessment of shilling between yourself and Hudson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why use my own words? Wikipedia sums it up pretty accurately:</p>

	<p>&#8220;On January 13, 2006, Eamon Javers revealed in BusinessWeek Online that Fumento had written opinion columns promoting the biotechnology firm Monsanto without disclosing a $60,000 grant his employer, the Hudson Institute had received from the company in 1999. Scripps Howard News Service, Fumento&#8217;s distributor since 2003, dropped his column in consequence.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Feel free to divide the assessment of shilling between yourself and Hudson.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Fumento</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141960</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fumento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 00:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141960</guid>
		<description>&quot;Apart from the fact that most of them have at least one individual shill or fraud already exposed (AEI with Lott, Hudson with Fumento . . . &quot;

Please explain in your own words how I was either a shill or fraud, whereupon I will respond and shred them. It&#039;s so easy to make an accusation, so much more difficult to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Apart from the fact that most of them have at least one individual shill or fraud already exposed (AEI with Lott, Hudson with Fumento . . . &#8221;</p>

	<p>Please explain in your own words how I was either a shill or fraud, whereupon I will respond and shred them. It&#8217;s so easy to make an accusation, so much more difficult to back it up.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rich Puchalsky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Puchalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 23:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141959</guid>
		<description>I originally encountered Milloy long, long ago, when he was getting sympathetic people within EPA to hire him for &quot;analysis&quot; that turned out to be, surprise surprise, favorable to industry.  He&#039;s built an entire career on this kind of thing.  Having this part of it end now doesn&#039;t seem like much of a problem for him.  He will end up directly on salary at some corporation, that&#039;s all.

How effective has his life-long work been?  Campaigns to delay regulation save corporations billions, though they don&#039;t stop it permanently.  He&#039;s probably helped to cost hundreds or thousands of people their lives, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I originally encountered Milloy long, long ago, when he was getting sympathetic people within <span class="caps">EPA</span> to hire him for &#8220;analysis&#8221; that turned out to be, surprise surprise, favorable to industry.  He&#8217;s built an entire career on this kind of thing.  Having this part of it end now doesn&#8217;t seem like much of a problem for him.  He will end up directly on salary at some corporation, that&#8217;s all.</p>

	<p>How effective has his life-long work been?  Campaigns to delay regulation save corporations billions, though they don&#8217;t stop it permanently.  He&#8217;s probably helped to cost hundreds or thousands of people their lives, though.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rollo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141957</link>
		<dc:creator>rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141957</guid>
		<description>Milloy not left Cato he got purged on the way out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Milloy not left Cato he got purged on the way out.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141954</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141954</guid>
		<description>empiricist--
As John noted, Milloy has left Cato.  Bandow also left Cato after it was revealed that Jack Abramoff had paid him to write columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>empiricist&#8212;As John noted, Milloy has left Cato.  Bandow also left Cato after it was revealed that Jack Abramoff had paid him to write columns.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/comment-page-1/#comment-141953</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/2006/01/27/in-plain-view/#comment-141953</guid>
		<description>There seems to be a less drastic remedy than termination though: disclosure by the pundit/columnist of his other financial interests, where the subject of his commentary is related to those interests.

Requiring all pundits/columnists to have no financial interests in the subject of their commentary seems unduly restrictive, as this will dramatically reduce the exposure of many experts to the public, simply on the basis that the experts have worked for private interests, and not based upon good evidence that the experts routinely offer unreasonably biased analysis.

Moreover, by requiring disclosure, the expert may become more sensitive to his own biases, and more interested in avoiding the appearance of shilling for a private interest.  Indeed, with disclosure the private interest has an incentive for the expert to avoid the appearance of mere shilling as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There seems to be a less drastic remedy than termination though: disclosure by the pundit/columnist of his other financial interests, where the subject of his commentary is related to those interests.</p>

	<p>Requiring all pundits/columnists to have no financial interests in the subject of their commentary seems unduly restrictive, as this will dramatically reduce the exposure of many experts to the public, simply on the basis that the experts have worked for private interests, and not based upon good evidence that the experts routinely offer unreasonably biased analysis.</p>

	<p>Moreover, by requiring disclosure, the expert may become more sensitive to his own biases, and more interested in avoiding the appearance of shilling for a private interest.  Indeed, with disclosure the private interest has an incentive for the expert to avoid the appearance of mere shilling as well.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

