Comments on: Human-Animal Hybrids http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:04:21 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Σπιτάκι » Blog Archive » Τουρλού 05 — Μπαγιάτικα http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-143317 Σπιτάκι » Blog Archive » Τουρλού 05 — Μπαγιάτικα Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:28:58 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-143317 [...] Το ξέρατε πως η ινσουλίνη τη σήμερον ημέρα δημιουργείτε από περίεργα υβρίδια; Διαβάστε και σχόλια για το State of the Union Address και το τι είχε να πει για την επιστήμη. [...] [...] Το ξέρατε πως η ινσουλίνη τη σήμερον ημέρα δημιουργείτε από περίεργα υβρίδια; Διαβάστε και σχόλια για το State of the Union Address και το τι είχε να πει για την επιστήμη. [...]

]]> By: CharityBuzz PoliticsBlog » Human-Animal Hybrids? What On Earth Was That About? http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-143108 CharityBuzz PoliticsBlog » Human-Animal Hybrids? What On Earth Was That About? Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:07:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-143108 [...] But like many things Bush says, in the real world it’s not quite that simple. As Prof. Kieran Healy of the University of Arizona points out, the health of millions of Americans depends on a laboratory-created human-animal hybrid. Genetically modified E. coli bacteria produce almost all the commercial supply of insulin needed by diabetics. Some of the bacteria’s DNA is replaced with human DNA, allowing the bacteria to secrete human insulin. [...] [...] But like many things Bush says, in the real world it’s not quite that simple. As Prof. Kieran Healy of the University of Arizona points out, the health of millions of Americans depends on a laboratory-created human-animal hybrid. Genetically modified E. coli bacteria produce almost all the commercial supply of insulin needed by diabetics. Some of the bacteria’s DNA is replaced with human DNA, allowing the bacteria to secrete human insulin. [...]

]]> By: Bro. Bartleby http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142847 Bro. Bartleby Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:10:09 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142847 33. What makes procreation so special? Ask you Mom and Dad. What they did was to put 'you' on a trajectory to this very moment. Digestion? And that meal your folks ate that evening way back when, just before the male and female gametes fused. The meal? Short-term potential, but critical nevertheless. For if your father had a bit of heartburn that night it could have precluded that fusion and right now Bro. Bartleby would be responding to Bro. Rollo instead of you. Some care about what they eat. The prayer before a meal, at its center, is an acknowledgment to God that we understand that the plant or animal that we are about to consume was sacrificed on our behalf. I suppose it is all about living in the moment, especially when a feast is before us and the anticipation of what is to come, the mastication of the drumstick or the taco, so the prior prayer keeps us moment-centered and may even transform the simple meal to the sacred. Bro. Bartleby 33.

What makes procreation so special? Ask you Mom and Dad. What they did was to put ‘you’ on a trajectory to this very moment. Digestion? And that meal your folks ate that evening way back when, just before the male and female gametes fused. The meal? Short-term potential, but critical nevertheless. For if your father had a bit of heartburn that night it could have precluded that fusion and right now Bro. Bartleby would be responding to Bro. Rollo instead of you.

Some care about what they eat. The prayer before a meal, at its center, is an acknowledgment to God that we understand that the plant or animal that we are about to consume was sacrificed on our behalf. I suppose it is all about living in the moment, especially when a feast is before us and the anticipation of what is to come, the mastication of the drumstick or the taco, so the prior prayer keeps us moment-centered and may even transform the simple meal to the sacred.

Bro. Bartleby

]]> By: Alter Cogitare » Medley 05 in progress http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142843 Alter Cogitare » Medley 05 in progress Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:45:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142843 [...] On human-animal hybrids. [...] [...] On human-animal hybrids. [...]

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142837 abb1 Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:07:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142837 Yeah, that's right: potential for a new life - sure, but so what? I mean, what makes procreation so special, compare to, say, digestion? People have serious deep thoughts about procreation, they agonize over abortion - but they don't care at all about you eating, say, crap from the KFC. Why not, what's the difference? Yeah, that’s right: potential for a new life – sure, but so what? I mean, what makes procreation so special, compare to, say, digestion? People have serious deep thoughts about procreation, they agonize over abortion – but they don’t care at all about you eating, say, crap from the KFC. Why not, what’s the difference?

]]> By: rollo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142826 rollo Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:37:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142826 Jots and tittles to the by, what matters - what's missing from both sides in this - is reverence for life. The sanctification of zygotes would have more weight if it wasn't accompanied by a complete disinterest, amounting to criminal negligence, toward the exponential degradation of the aged. Deifying the blank slate of infancy and calling it innocence is neurotic and weak, regressive self-worship; balancing that, on the other side we have the cold sadistic efficiency of total disregard for all other living things, except inasmuch as they prove immediately useful. Whoopee. Solomon's cleaving sword held in ready abeyance is what brought the genuine maternal love to the fore. What the increasing prospect of devastating change seems to be bringing forth in many is the magnification of ungoverned self-interest. Abb1's analogy machine is accurate on the acorn tip, but bartleby's right on the grinding. Both leave off too soon. The oak tree and the oak tree community <i>are</i> acorns as much as trees. That is one thing there. The lines of taxonomic division are conveniences and ultimately inaccurate. We are sperm and ova as much as ambulatory sensibilities. Distinctions are possible, necessary, but never finely calibrated enough to permit the legal disposition of absurdities which are mainly driven by excuse-seeking selfishness. Reverence. Gratitude. Humility. It starts there, or it doesn't go anywhere. Jots and tittles to the by, what matters – what’s missing from both sides in this – is reverence for life.
The sanctification of zygotes would have more weight if it wasn’t accompanied by a complete disinterest, amounting to criminal negligence, toward the exponential degradation of the aged.
Deifying the blank slate of infancy and calling it innocence is neurotic and weak, regressive self-worship; balancing that, on the other side we have the cold sadistic efficiency of total disregard for all other living things, except inasmuch as they prove immediately useful.
Whoopee.
Solomon’s cleaving sword held in ready abeyance is what brought the genuine maternal love to the fore.
What the increasing prospect of devastating change seems to be bringing forth in many is the magnification of ungoverned self-interest.
Abb1’s analogy machine is accurate on the acorn tip, but bartleby’s right on the grinding. Both leave off too soon.
The oak tree and the oak tree community are acorns as much as trees. That is one thing there. The lines of taxonomic division are conveniences and ultimately inaccurate.
We are sperm and ova as much as ambulatory sensibilities. Distinctions are possible, necessary, but never finely calibrated enough to permit the legal disposition of absurdities which are mainly driven by excuse-seeking selfishness.
Reverence.
Gratitude. Humility.
It starts there, or it doesn’t go anywhere.

]]> By: kamo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142756 kamo Fri, 03 Feb 2006 23:29:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142756 That's why it peeves me no end every time I read about "a woman's right to choose" meaning her right to get an abortion, because it implies that women do not have a choice whether or not to have sexual intercourse. And the debate about whether this "gob of cells" is human or not is totally disingenuous. It cannot be anything other than human. Just because it's microscopic is no reason to disrespect it. That’s why it peeves me no end every time I read about “a woman’s right to choose” meaning her right to get an abortion, because it implies that women do not have a choice whether or not to have sexual intercourse. And the debate about whether this “gob of cells” is human or not is totally disingenuous. It cannot be anything other than human. Just because it’s microscopic is no reason to disrespect it.

]]> By: Bro. Bartleby http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142737 Bro. Bartleby Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:20:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142737 An acorn has the potential to be an oak tree, and when grounding corn meal, you too are grounding one potential for another. It's a trade off, and as long as you understand the truth, then we are not feigning ignorance. So too with the spark of human life, potential is released from dormancy. Of course this potential has a long way to go, but I can't deny that this too is a birth, the birth of potential to become a baby which has the potential to become a child which has the potential to ... An acorn has the potential to be an oak tree, and when grounding corn meal, you too are grounding one potential for another. It’s a trade off, and as long as you understand the truth, then we are not feigning ignorance. So too with the spark of human life, potential is released from dormancy. Of course this potential has a long way to go, but I can’t deny that this too is a birth, the birth of potential to become a baby which has the potential to become a child which has the potential to …

]]> By: Sugar Momma http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142713 Sugar Momma Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:53:51 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142713 One more thing. It should be hyperglycemic, not hypoglycemic (low blood sugar). Lack of insulin would cause the opposite. One more thing. It should be hyperglycemic, not hypoglycemic (low blood sugar). Lack of insulin would cause the opposite.

]]> By: Sugar Momma http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142712 Sugar Momma Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:52:24 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142712 I take insulin. I didn't know how they manufactured the new synthetic insulin, but I know back in the 70's when I was diagnosed, it mostly came from pigs, and sometimes from cows. I take my insulin through a pump. So does that make me an animal-human hybrid or a cyborg? I take insulin. I didn’t know how they manufactured the new synthetic insulin, but I know back in the 70’s when I was diagnosed, it mostly came from pigs, and sometimes from cows.

I take my insulin through a pump. So does that make me an animal-human hybrid or a cyborg?

]]> By: bob http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142700 bob Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:10:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142700 Bravo for Bush! For once he is in touch with reality. One of the biggest dangers besetting mankind today is the damger of mad and liberal scientists creating half human and half animal creatures as they did in ancient Greece a few generations back.But if Bush or the FBI are reading these messages, I would like to caution our president about a very frightening matter. Believe me I am knowledgeable about these human animal entities and I must warn the president against his Vice President Richard Cheney. The man is a werewolf and related to Lon Cheney, a known and feared werewolf.If any of you FBI people reading this can get to Bush- warn him in time or else our nation will be under the horrid domination of this evil non-human monster. Bravo for Bush! For once he is in touch with reality. One of the biggest dangers besetting mankind today is the damger of mad and liberal scientists creating half human and half animal creatures as they did in ancient Greece a few generations back.But if Bush or the FBI are reading these messages, I would like to caution our president about a very frightening matter. Believe me I am knowledgeable about these human animal entities and I must warn the president against his Vice President Richard Cheney. The man is a werewolf and related to Lon Cheney, a known and feared werewolf.If any of you FBI people reading this can get to Bush- warn him in time or else our nation will be under the horrid domination of this evil non-human monster.

]]> By: Rick http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142642 Rick Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:29:34 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142642 "And if it happens as an unintended consequence of his policies, it would be irresponsible to hold him responsible." *boggle* That's a really flexible notion of responsibility you have there! Or, to borrow from my favorite Spaniard, Inigo Montoya, "That word - I do not think it means what you think it means." “And if it happens as an unintended consequence of his policies, it would be irresponsible to hold him responsible.”

boggle

That’s a really flexible notion of responsibility you have there! Or, to borrow from my favorite Spaniard, Inigo Montoya, “That word – I do not think it means what you think it means.”

]]> By: abb1 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142606 abb1 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:58:01 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142606 It could be a "life", a could even be "human life", but still not a "human being". For example: acorn certainly is an "oak life", but it's not an "oak tree". Oak society that's similar to human society may or may not care about acorns being eaten by squirrels, depending on how under- or over-populated this society is. <blockquote> The sperm and ovum, alive, yes, but like the tango, for the birth of potential, the partners must unite. </blockquote> BTW, Bro. Bartleby, help me out here: didn't God kill one Onan fella for wasting his sperm? It could be a “life”, a could even be “human life”, but still not a “human being”.

For example: acorn certainly is an “oak life”, but it’s not an “oak tree”.

Oak society that’s similar to human society may or may not care about acorns being eaten by squirrels, depending on how under- or over-populated this society is.


The sperm and ovum, alive, yes, but like the tango, for the birth of potential, the partners must unite.

BTW, Bro. Bartleby, help me out here: didn’t God kill one Onan fella for wasting his sperm?

]]> By: Bro. Bartleby http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142601 Bro. Bartleby Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:24:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142601 The sperm and ovum, alive, yes, but like the tango, for the birth of potential, the partners must unite. That's my working definition of when and where human life begins. No union, zero potential for growth, if and when union occurs, growth and potential blossom. The sperm and ovum, alive, yes, but like the tango, for the birth of potential, the partners must unite. That’s my working definition of when and where human life begins. No union, zero potential for growth, if and when union occurs, growth and potential blossom.

]]> By: rollo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/comment-page-1/#comment-142579 rollo Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:25:05 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/01/human-animal-hybrids/#comment-142579 Fundamentalists are easy targets for ridicule, living straw men for the other side. And there's only two sides. How about the sperm and the ovum are already alive? How about what's missing isn't a good working definition of what life is and where it begins, but reverence for whatever it is, and gratitude that we have it at all. Fundamentalists are easy targets for ridicule, living straw men for the other side.
And there’s only two sides.
How about the sperm and the ovum are already alive?
How about what’s missing isn’t a good working definition of what life is and where it begins, but reverence for whatever it is, and gratitude that we have it at all.

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