Comments on: Turns and Movies http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:33:08 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143853 John Holbo Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:41:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143853 Oh, wait. Patrick said 'knew'. I just checked. Joan Aiken died last year. I didn't know that. Shows how much I know. Oh, wait. Patrick said ‘knew’. I just checked. Joan Aiken died last year. I didn’t know that. Shows how much I know.

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143852 John Holbo Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:39:36 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143852 Patrick, Belle's mom knows Joan (I'm pretty sure that's right). I'm not sure how well. Belle has met Joan (I think). I'm thinking of doing some Dido Twiteblogging some time soon myself. I should have Belle verify all this Waring/Aiken stuff, which is nothing I am privy to. Patrick, Belle’s mom knows Joan (I’m pretty sure that’s right). I’m not sure how well. Belle has met Joan (I think). I’m thinking of doing some Dido Twiteblogging some time soon myself. I should have Belle verify all this Waring/Aiken stuff, which is nothing I am privy to.

]]> By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143839 Patrick Nielsen Hayden Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:24:08 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143839 Does this mean Belle knew Joan? Does this mean Belle knew Joan?

]]> By: John Holbo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143838 John Holbo Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:08:06 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143838 The morning after the father killed the mother, then himself, not knowing where else to go, young Conrad showed up on the doorstep of the Waring house - Belle's great grandfather's - in Savannah. That's all I know, family legend-wise. As to the Eliot praised Aiken bit: don't have a reference for that one. It is conceivable the commenter was simply misremembering who received the Pound tag, but he seemed pretty confident that wasn't the case. Glad to be of service, Ian. (I agree the stuff can sometimes get too windy.) The morning after the father killed the mother, then himself, not knowing where else to go, young Conrad showed up on the doorstep of the Waring house – Belle’s great grandfather’s – in Savannah. That’s all I know, family legend-wise. As to the Eliot praised Aiken bit: don’t have a reference for that one. It is conceivable the commenter was simply misremembering who received the Pound tag, but he seemed pretty confident that wasn’t the case.

Glad to be of service, Ian. (I agree the stuff can sometimes get too windy.)

]]> By: Ian http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143836 Ian Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:41:56 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143836 John - thanks for this. I'd read some of Aiken's poetry 15 years ago, and had forgotten how effective it can be in medium length (despite the occasional windiness). There's also a worthwhile Collected Novels in secondhand bookstores everywhere - very Freud-influenced. An Aiken short story, "Mr Arcularis", has to be one of the most nightmarish ever written. Roger - Aiken might not have been an easy person (his father shot his mother then killed himself while the 12-year-old Conrad was upstairs in the house) but he couldn't have been as bad as Lowry himself... "Under the Volcano", of course, gives the Lowry side of the relationship. BTW, Aiken ended up as Poet Laureate of Georgia, which is kind of sad somehow (no snark at Georgia, just at the laureate biz). John – thanks for this. I’d read some of Aiken’s poetry 15 years ago, and had forgotten how effective it can be in medium length (despite the occasional windiness). There’s also a worthwhile Collected Novels in secondhand bookstores everywhere – very Freud-influenced. An Aiken short story, “Mr Arcularis”, has to be one of the most nightmarish ever written.

Roger – Aiken might not have been an easy person (his father shot his mother then killed himself while the 12-year-old Conrad was upstairs in the house) but he couldn’t have been as bad as Lowry himself… “Under the Volcano”, of course, gives the Lowry side of the relationship. BTW, Aiken ended up as Poet Laureate of Georgia, which is kind of sad somehow (no snark at Georgia, just at the laureate biz).

]]> By: freddie http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143824 freddie Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:37:28 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143824 Eliot de3dicated The Wasteland to Pound (the better craftsman, from Dante) but where does he say this about Aiken? Eliot de3dicated The Wasteland to Pound (the better craftsman, from Dante) but where does he say this about Aiken?

]]> By: roger http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/12/turns-and-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-143821 roger Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:48:10 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4300#comment-143821 John, All I know about Aiken is what I've read in Malcolm Lowry's diary and letters. But he is often called a "nasty man" or a monster by Lowry critics and biographers. Lowry hosted him and his to be second or third wife in Mexico during the crucial under the volcano years, and something happened then that seemed to really disturb Lowry. Since you have access to family legends, perhaps you could find out about this. John,
All I know about Aiken is what I’ve read in Malcolm Lowry’s diary and letters. But he is often called a “nasty man” or a monster by Lowry critics and biographers. Lowry hosted him and his to be second or third wife in Mexico during the crucial under the volcano years, and something happened then that seemed to really disturb Lowry.

Since you have access to family legends, perhaps you could find out about this.

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