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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-145199</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My old posts on the Utah issue are &lt;a href=&quot;http://mattweiner.net/blog/archives/000297.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://mattweiner.net/blog/archives/000297.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  You&#039;ll note from the second one (which is from after I left) that the U. doesn&#039;t just have to worry about deep-pocketed alumni; the State Legislature seems to be willing to use the power of the purse to punish universities that get out of line politically (and has in the past shown some hostility to the U. for excessive secularism).  Also from the second post, the Utah policy is a lot less restrictive than the one proposed in Arizona; at least as Kieran quotes it, that bill requires that the student&#039;s deeming the material offensive is enough to require the university to require an alternative, whereas in Utah the professor can deny the request, whereupon the student would have to appeal to the dean.  

Also, as you can see from my comments, one of my friends who still teaches there doesn&#039;t like the policy at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My old posts on the Utah issue are <a href="http://mattweiner.net/blog/archives/000297.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://mattweiner.net/blog/archives/000297.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  You&#8217;ll note from the second one (which is from after I left) that the U. doesn&#8217;t just have to worry about deep-pocketed alumni; the State Legislature seems to be willing to use the power of the purse to punish universities that get out of line politically (and has in the past shown some hostility to the U. for excessive secularism).  Also from the second post, the Utah policy is a lot less restrictive than the one proposed in Arizona; at least as Kieran quotes it, that bill requires that the student&#8217;s deeming the material offensive is enough to require the university to require an alternative, whereas in Utah the professor can deny the request, whereupon the student would have to appeal to the dean.</p>

	<p>Also, as you can see from my comments, one of my friends who still teaches there doesn&#8217;t like the policy at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-145194</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If Matt Weiner’s still at Utah&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks for the thought, but I&#039;ve moved on to Texas Tech, where I am unwilling to comment about the biology professor who wouldn&#039;t write letters for creationists.  Having done work on an alumni magazine in the past, I think &quot;alumni magazine&quot; and &quot;sugar-coated&quot; are practically redundant; one of my friends who worked their full-time said he sometimes felt as though he were reported the Dear Leader&#039;s speeches for the official Communist Party organ.  I can ask some of my friends at Utah whether the policy is making any difference, though the spam filter will probably have closed this thread before I do so.  

Anyway, I just wanted to thank Dave Hardy for explaining how a town in Arizona could possibly have been named Snowflake.  I had thought it might be a &lt;i&gt;lucus a non lucendo&lt;/i&gt; thing, like the Lubbock newspaper being named the &lt;i&gt;Avalanche-Journal&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If Matt Weiner&#8217;s still at Utah</i></p>

	<p>Thanks for the thought, but I&#8217;ve moved on to Texas Tech, where I am unwilling to comment about the biology professor who wouldn&#8217;t write letters for creationists.  Having done work on an alumni magazine in the past, I think &#8220;alumni magazine&#8221; and &#8220;sugar-coated&#8221; are practically redundant; one of my friends who worked their full-time said he sometimes felt as though he were reported the Dear Leader&#8217;s speeches for the official Communist Party organ.  I can ask some of my friends at Utah whether the policy is making any difference, though the spam filter will probably have closed this thread before I do so.</p>

	<p>Anyway, I just wanted to thank Dave Hardy for explaining how a town in Arizona could possibly have been named Snowflake.  I had thought it might be a <i>lucus a non lucendo</i> thing, like the Lubbock newspaper being named the <i>Avalanche-Journal</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Harald Korneliussen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144915</link>
		<dc:creator>Harald Korneliussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd wrote: &quot;I, for one, have to be able to parse a statement before I can express outrate against it.&quot;

How about up muhammed the the war for clean nuclear drawings energy, with and nudity bell curve Israeli settlements?

(Interesting to see if the spam filtering catches that)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Todd wrote: &#8220;I, for one, have to be able to parse a statement before I can express outrate against it.&#8221;</p>

	<p>How about up muhammed the the war for clean nuclear drawings energy, with and nudity bell curve Israeli settlements?</p>

	<p>(Interesting to see if the spam filtering catches that)</p>
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		<title>By: William Sjostrom</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144728</link>
		<dc:creator>William Sjostrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  Law or no law, any modestly competent student can figure out how to get the “No Work/Sleep All You Like” option.  Just find a spineless administrator.  Universities specialize in mass producing them.  A student who wants to dodge work just finds some administrator who will give him an incomplete, regardless of the rules, that does not have to be completed, because otherwise the administrator has to deal with the issue.  Or he gets permission to take an alternative class because of this week&#039;s emotional trauma.  I have seen them in every university I have worked at, regularly.  Just make a bit of noise, and the university will cave.  Which is why, for example, so few academics in my experience will put in any effort to stop cheating.  Welcome to the academic rathole, Kieran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sigh.  Law or no law, any modestly competent student can figure out how to get the &#8220;No Work/Sleep All You Like&#8221; option.  Just find a spineless administrator.  Universities specialize in mass producing them.  A student who wants to dodge work just finds some administrator who will give him an incomplete, regardless of the rules, that does not have to be completed, because otherwise the administrator has to deal with the issue.  Or he gets permission to take an alternative class because of this week&#8217;s emotional trauma.  I have seen them in every university I have worked at, regularly.  Just make a bit of noise, and the university will cave.  Which is why, for example, so few academics in my experience will put in any effort to stop cheating.  Welcome to the academic rathole, Kieran.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Danby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat, if we are to take the word of its sponsor seriously, the proposed law is aimed directly at content -- note the singling out of a literature class where the readings are rather important to the course content, don&#039;t you think?  I hardly see that the fact that the bill might affect *more* things than course content should make us less concerned about its effects on course content.  

Disability rules do not give students a right to read different things; performing a play is not the same as reading it.  How drama depts deal with objections that may come up around performing I don&#039;t know.

If you taught in humanities or social sciences, Nat, you might be more aware (a) of how resistant a lot of students are initially to readings whose views they don&#039;t share and (b) of how, in areas where legitimate controversy exists, you cannot possibly teach the subject without having students read a range of readings some of which they will, if they are paying attention, find disagreeable.  This is why disability accommodation is such a  frivolous comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nat, if we are to take the word of its sponsor seriously, the proposed law is aimed directly at content&#8212;note the singling out of a literature class where the readings are rather important to the course content, don&#8217;t you think?  I hardly see that the fact that the bill might affect <strong>more</strong> things than course content should make us less concerned about its effects on course content.</p>

	<p>Disability rules do not give students a right to read different things; performing a play is not the same as reading it.  How drama depts deal with objections that may come up around performing I don&#8217;t know.</p>

	<p>If you taught in humanities or social sciences, Nat, you might be more aware (a) of how resistant a lot of students are initially to readings whose views they don&#8217;t share and (b) of how, in areas where legitimate controversy exists, you cannot possibly teach the subject without having students read a range of readings some of which they will, if they are paying attention, find disagreeable.  This is why disability accommodation is such a  frivolous comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144715</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #30:

The relevance of my point (3) is that professors in the U.S. are already legally required to make accommodations that many of us otherwise would not make, and yet we somehow muddle through.  The relevance of my point (4) is that at least one major university is already dealing with constraints not entirely unlike those that may be imposed on Arizona universities in the future, and at least the public face put on those constraints is that they&#039;re not so bad after all.

As for us &quot;just talking about reading assignments&quot;, that&#039;s not what the proposal in question says.  It is about alternatives to &quot;a course, coursework, learning material or activity&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re #30:</p>

	<p>The relevance of my point (3) is that professors in the U.S. are already legally required to make accommodations that many of us otherwise would not make, and yet we somehow muddle through.  The relevance of my point (4) is that at least one major university is already dealing with constraints not entirely unlike those that may be imposed on Arizona universities in the future, and at least the public face put on those constraints is that they&#8217;re not so bad after all.</p>

	<p>As for us &#8220;just talking about reading assignments&#8221;, that&#8217;s not what the proposal in question says.  It is about alternatives to &#8220;a course, coursework, learning material or activity&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnna</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will serve Arizona right, when their medical schools are graduating Christian Scientists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It will serve Arizona right, when their medical schools are graduating Christian Scientists.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Danby</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144713</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Danby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat, I can remember a comp lit course I took as an undergrad whose prof let a students substitute something else for Burroughs&#039; _Naked Lunch_.  That seemed reasonable, especially since Burroughs was doing his best to upset readers.  Most instructors give considerable thought to how students will react to readings.  

I don&#039;t see the relevance of your points (3) or (4).  We&#039;re just talking about reading assignments. 

For a lot of subjects, e.g. moral philosophy, you have to give students a range of different readings and some of them *must* &quot;conflict[] with the student’s beliefs or practices in sex, morality or religion&quot; -- they can&#039;t possibly agree with all of them.  How could you teach Nietzsche, for example, or Machiavelli, who are guaranteed to get readers angry?  And the inclusion of &quot;sex&quot; in the bill is almost certainly designed to go after literature with gay characters.  

I assigned part of Allan Bloom&#039;s _Closing of the American Mind_ last quarter, and he *really* offended several of my students!  Can you imagine teaching a class in which different factions formed, each objecting to certain readings and demanding alternatives?  What kind of classroom discussion would you have?  Forget the question of timed exams -- could you even have common assignments?  Can you imagine how universities could possibly adjudicate all these things, especially since &quot;offended&quot; is a matter of states of mind -- all the student has to say is &quot;I&#039;m offended -- this is contrary to my beliefs.&quot;

What you have here is a parody of a parody.  As our tame troll &quot;Steve&quot; shows, there&#039;s a widespread perception that academics are committed to a mindless identity politics in which everyone gets to read stuff by people like them and every argument is won by someone saying &quot;I&#039;m offended that ...&quot;   So now you get this weird identity-politics for another group of students.  As I&#039;ve noted before there are some interesting questions about how to get students comfortable dealing with material that they think of as controversial.  But this is about the worst way imaginable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nat, I can remember a comp lit course I took as an undergrad whose prof let a students substitute something else for Burroughs&#8217; <em>Naked Lunch</em>.  That seemed reasonable, especially since Burroughs was doing his best to upset readers.  Most instructors give considerable thought to how students will react to readings.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t see the relevance of your points (3) or (4).  We&#8217;re just talking about reading assignments.</p>

	<p>For a lot of subjects, e.g. moral philosophy, you have to give students a range of different readings and some of them <strong>must</strong> &#8220;conflict[] with the student&#8217;s beliefs or practices in sex, morality or religion&#8221;&#8212;they can&#8217;t possibly agree with all of them.  How could you teach Nietzsche, for example, or Machiavelli, who are guaranteed to get readers angry?  And the inclusion of &#8220;sex&#8221; in the bill is almost certainly designed to go after literature with gay characters.</p>

	<p>I assigned part of Allan Bloom&#8217;s <em>Closing of the American Mind</em> last quarter, and he <strong>really</strong> offended several of my students!  Can you imagine teaching a class in which different factions formed, each objecting to certain readings and demanding alternatives?  What kind of classroom discussion would you have?  Forget the question of timed exams&#8212;could you even have common assignments?  Can you imagine how universities could possibly adjudicate all these things, especially since &#8220;offended&#8221; is a matter of states of mind&#8212;all the student has to say is &#8220;I&#8217;m offended&#8212;this is contrary to my beliefs.&#8221;</p>

	<p>What you have here is a parody of a parody.  As our tame troll &#8220;Steve&#8221; shows, there&#8217;s a widespread perception that academics are committed to a mindless identity politics in which everyone gets to read stuff by people like them and every argument is won by someone saying &#8220;I&#8217;m offended that &#8230;&#8221;   So now you get this weird identity-politics for another group of students.  As I&#8217;ve noted before there are some interesting questions about how to get students comfortable dealing with material that they think of as controversial.  But this is about the worst way imaginable.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144706</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1)  Is there a valid middle ground occupied by those who think Trefzger&#039;s concerns are not wholly illegitimate but that the proposed legislation would likely be a Pandora&#039;s Box?

(2)  I know essentially nothing about the content of &lt;i&gt;The Ice Storm&lt;/i&gt;, so the following question is not rhetorical:  If Trefzger&#039;s professor were instead an office worker reading &quot;the good parts&quot; of &lt;i&gt;The Ice Storm&lt;/i&gt; aloud in his cubicle, could he be considered in violation of U.S. sexual harrassment law?

(3)  Perhaps I&#039;d be more sympathetic with the doomsayers here if my discipline were something other than mathematics.  The accommodations I am legally required to make for my students have to do with the Americans with Disabilities Act.  Those at my university who are supposed to know have informed me that unless I&#039;m willing to bear the burden of proof and demonstrate in a court of law that solving problems &lt;i&gt;expeditiously&lt;/i&gt; is a vital part of mathematical proficiency, I am required to honor requests for extra time on exams for those with diagnosed learning disabilities.  (To keep the playing field level from my perspective, I now make my exams untimed for  &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of my students.) 

(4)  I guess there&#039;s a chance that the sort of accommodations Arizona legislators are proposing might not be all &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; horrible.  The alumni magazine from the University of Utah recently had an article celebrating the plan reached as the result of the settlement of a lawsuit from a theater student whose religious scruples prevented her from using profanity.  (This might not have been her only scruple.  If her theater professor had used his academic freedom to insist that actresses need to get used to doing topless scenes, she might have objected to that as well.)  Perhaps the magazine sugar-coated the plan because many deep-pocketed alumni might have had sympathy with the student.  If Matt Weiner&#039;s still at Utah, maybe he can tell us exactly how rosy the situation really is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(1)  Is there a valid middle ground occupied by those who think Trefzger&#8217;s concerns are not wholly illegitimate but that the proposed legislation would likely be a Pandora&#8217;s Box?</p>

	<p>(2)  I know essentially nothing about the content of <i>The Ice Storm</i>, so the following question is not rhetorical:  If Trefzger&#8217;s professor were instead an office worker reading &#8220;the good parts&#8221; of <i>The Ice Storm</i> aloud in his cubicle, could he be considered in violation of U.S. sexual harrassment law?</p>

	<p>(3)  Perhaps I&#8217;d be more sympathetic with the doomsayers here if my discipline were something other than mathematics.  The accommodations I am legally required to make for my students have to do with the Americans with Disabilities Act.  Those at my university who are supposed to know have informed me that unless I&#8217;m willing to bear the burden of proof and demonstrate in a court of law that solving problems <i>expeditiously</i> is a vital part of mathematical proficiency, I am required to honor requests for extra time on exams for those with diagnosed learning disabilities.  (To keep the playing field level from my perspective, I now make my exams untimed for  <i>all</i> of my students.)</p>

	<p>(4)  I guess there&#8217;s a chance that the sort of accommodations Arizona legislators are proposing might not be all <i>that</i> horrible.  The alumni magazine from the University of Utah recently had an article celebrating the plan reached as the result of the settlement of a lawsuit from a theater student whose religious scruples prevented her from using profanity.  (This might not have been her only scruple.  If her theater professor had used his academic freedom to insist that actresses need to get used to doing topless scenes, she might have objected to that as well.)  Perhaps the magazine sugar-coated the plan because many deep-pocketed alumni might have had sympathy with the student.  If Matt Weiner&#8217;s still at Utah, maybe he can tell us exactly how rosy the situation really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It delegitimates the differences among &quot;us&quot;, operating to produce a coercive sameness and marginalizing and disempowering those outside the hegemonic definition.

Oh, wait, that would be &quot;homogenous&quot;.  Never mind.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It delegitimates the differences among &#8220;us&#8221;, operating to produce a coercive sameness and marginalizing and disempowering those outside the hegemonic definition.</p>

	<p>Oh, wait, that would be &#8220;homogenous&#8221;.  Never mind.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: rollo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144656</link>
		<dc:creator>rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;cubes of jelly&quot; manifests the dominant paradigm&#039;s self-referential adulation of equal-sided polyhedrons. 
That this has caused, and continues to cause the oppression of unequally-sided polyhedrons, even outside the closed world of academic metaphor, is no laughing matter. 
&quot;homongenous&quot; is also a term of oppression, though I&#039;m not sure exactly how - but it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;cubes of jelly&#8221; manifests the dominant paradigm&#8217;s self-referential adulation of equal-sided polyhedrons.<br />
That this has caused, and continues to cause the oppression of unequally-sided polyhedrons, even outside the closed world of academic metaphor, is no laughing matter.<br />
&#8220;homongenous&#8221; is also a term of oppression, though I&#8217;m not sure exactly how &#8211; but it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Tilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Tilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re looking for the biblical scat, Josh, just click on the link in my comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you&#8217;re looking for the biblical scat, Josh, just click on the link in my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: grackel</title>
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		<dc:creator>grackel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the symmetry of this bill and the one also offered this week here in beautiful Arizona which would require the display of the American flag in each and every classroom, I assume from kindergarten through the university level.  I&#039;m for equestrian statues of Dick Cheney, arms rampant, as it were, myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I like the symmetry of this bill and the one also offered this week here in beautiful Arizona which would require the display of the American flag in each and every classroom, I assume from kindergarten through the university level.  I&#8217;m for equestrian statues of Dick Cheney, arms rampant, as it were, myself.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144643</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Mrs. Tilton suggests above, the Bible is pretty damn offensive (though I missed the scatology, myself -- could you be confusing it with eschatology, Mrs T?). It (the Hebrew Bible, anyway) includes gang rape, dismemberment, and genocide (and that&#039;s just the Levite of Ephraim story),  not to mention a rancourous, vengeful deity. I&#039;d certainly complain about my (non-existent) children being assigned to read it.
Which makes me wonder. Could it be that this bill is the trick we need to get the Christian Right to leave us (or rather Arizona college students) alone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As Mrs. Tilton suggests above, the Bible is pretty damn offensive (though I missed the scatology, myself&#8212;could you be confusing it with eschatology, Mrs T?). It (the Hebrew Bible, anyway) includes gang rape, dismemberment, and genocide (and that&#8217;s just the Levite of Ephraim story),  not to mention a rancourous, vengeful deity. I&#8217;d certainly complain about my (non-existent) children being assigned to read it.<br />
Which makes me wonder. Could it be that this bill is the trick we need to get the Christian Right to leave us (or rather Arizona college students) alone?</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/17/how-a-stupid-bill-becomes-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-144638</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Humphries,
While I would initially agree with your solution as optimal; until professors are better protected from idiot students with recourse in administration, I&#039;m with John Quiggin.  Screw the slackers who went to school to waste time. Focus on the students (student) who came to learn ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bill Humphries,<br />
While I would initially agree with your solution as optimal; until professors are better protected from idiot students with recourse in administration, I&#8217;m with John Quiggin.  Screw the slackers who went to school to waste time. Focus on the students (student) who came to learn ;)</p>
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