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	<title>Comments on: Art irritates life into imitating a Monty Python sketch of some sort</title>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Art irritates life&quot; is a wonderful slogan. It is used on a Reg Mombasa poster, and as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mambo.com.au/mambo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mambo&lt;/a&gt; book title in Australia. 

I always assumed they thunk it up, but maybe they didn&#039;t.

Either way, it is a good antidote to a large amount of our pallid creative works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Art irritates life&#8221; is a wonderful slogan. It is used on a Reg Mombasa poster, and as a <a href="http://www.mambo.com.au/mambo.html" rel="nofollow">Mambo</a> book title in Australia.</p>

	<p>I always assumed they thunk it up, but maybe they didn&#8217;t.</p>

	<p>Either way, it is a good antidote to a large amount of our pallid creative works.</p>
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		<title>By: rollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commenting on comments in comment boxes about other comments, like &lt;strike&gt;yours&lt;/strike&gt; Simstim&#039;s on Holbo&#039;s for instance, is something one doesn&#039;t usually feel tempted to take up, but in the hellish atmosphere of recursively emptying hermeneutics established by the post itself, not to mention the comment itself, it seems somehow appropriate, or, if not appropriate, apt. 
We can say &quot;seems&quot; because who can know?
Just as the question  &quot;Is this hell?&quot; gains or loses semiotic weight according to the immediate subjective conditions of the questioner - so that a vicar at a play, or a vicar at a play in a news story mentioned in post and its subsequent comment thread, can be a token for, or even a reply to the question whether or not it would be a good thing to continue this line of interrogation, under the circumstances the question as asked or as potential and unasked but present in the conditions represented - whether this (the landscape in which the question rises) is a play, whether I myself as questioner am a vicar, or am like a vicar in some way, whether this is hell and if so if it is hell in a traditional sense or in a new and still-undefined sense whose determinants are proprietary and outside the frame of the discussion as we take it up - begins to fold back in on itself as it&#039;s asked, and become, if not void of any worthwhile rational content, moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Commenting on comments in comment boxes about other comments, like <strike>yours</strike> Simstim&#8217;s on Holbo&#8217;s for instance, is something one doesn&#8217;t usually feel tempted to take up, but in the hellish atmosphere of recursively emptying hermeneutics established by the post itself, not to mention the comment itself, it seems somehow appropriate, or, if not appropriate, apt.<br />
We can say &#8220;seems&#8221; because who can know?<br />
Just as the question  &#8220;Is this hell?&#8221; gains or loses semiotic weight according to the immediate subjective conditions of the questioner &#8211; so that a vicar at a play, or a vicar at a play in a news story mentioned in post and its subsequent comment thread, can be a token for, or even a reply to the question whether or not it would be a good thing to continue this line of interrogation, under the circumstances the question as asked or as potential and unasked but present in the conditions represented &#8211; whether this (the landscape in which the question rises) is a play, whether I myself as questioner am a vicar, or am like a vicar in some way, whether this is hell and if so if it is hell in a traditional sense or in a new and still-undefined sense whose determinants are proprietary and outside the frame of the discussion as we take it up &#8211; begins to fold back in on itself as it&#8217;s asked, and become, if not void of any worthwhile rational content, moot.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also that it&#039;s as funny as &lt;strike&gt;Hell&lt;/strike&gt; fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also that it&#8217;s as funny as <strike>Hell</strike> fuck.</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaybird, I&#039;m very superficial (I hate anything official), but I think it was a &quot;Set aside the rights and wrongs of the show and set aside the opinions of the vicar, how many critical layers and ironies can you find in somebody watching a show set in Hell and saying it made him feel like he was in Hell&quot; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jaybird, I&#8217;m very superficial (I hate anything official), but I think it was a &#8220;Set aside the rights and wrongs of the show and set aside the opinions of the vicar, how many critical layers and ironies can you find in somebody watching a show set in Hell and saying it made him feel like he was in Hell&#8221; post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand the point of this post.

Was it a &quot;look, Christians are not only humorless but also heavily into censorship too&quot; post?

Was it a post trying to get us to understand that the Vicar, though somewhat backwards, did have a legitimate grievance and had every right to act as his faith directs him?

Was it merely a &quot;ha ha religious people are dumb&quot; post?

I&#039;m not getting the meta-message here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t understand the point of this post.</p>

	<p>Was it a &#8220;look, Christians are not only humorless but also heavily into censorship too&#8221; post?</p>

	<p>Was it a post trying to get us to understand that the Vicar, though somewhat backwards, did have a legitimate grievance and had every right to act as his faith directs him?</p>

	<p>Was it merely a &#8220;ha ha religious people are dumb&#8221; post?</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m not getting the meta-message here.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was the vicar a part of the show? Like in this &lt;a href=&quot;http://members.fortunecity.com/bookdepository/plays/god/god2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Woody Allen&#039;s play&lt;/a&gt;:
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....
WRITER: Who are you?

LORENZO: Lorenzo Miller. I created this audience. I&#039;m a writer.

WRITER: What do you mean?

LORENZO: I wrote: a large group of people from Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, and Long Island come to the Golden Theater and watch a play. There they are.

DORIS (Pointing to the audience): You mean they&#039;re fictional too? (LORENZO nods) They&#039;re not free to do as they please?

LORENZO: They think they are, but they always do what&#039;s expected of them.

WOMAN (Suddenly a WOMAN rises in audience, quite angrily): I&#039;m not fictional!

LORENZO: I&#039;m sorry, madam, but you are.

WOMAN: But I have a son at the Harvard Business School.

LORENZO: I created your son; he&#039;s fictional. Not only is he fictional, he&#039;s homosexual.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Was the vicar a part of the show? Like in this <a href="http://members.fortunecity.com/bookdepository/plays/god/god2.html" rel="nofollow">Woody Allen&#8217;s play</a>:<br />
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&#8230;.<br />
<span class="caps">WRITER</span>: Who are you?</blockquote></p>

	<p><span class="caps">LORENZO</span>: Lorenzo Miller. I created this audience. I&#8217;m a writer.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">WRITER</span>: What do you mean?</p>

	<p><span class="caps">LORENZO</span>: I wrote: a large group of people from Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, and Long Island come to the Golden Theater and watch a play. There they are.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">DORIS </span>(Pointing to the audience): You mean they&#8217;re fictional too? (LORENZO nods) They&#8217;re not free to do as they please?</p>

	<p><span class="caps">LORENZO</span>: They think they are, but they always do what&#8217;s expected of them.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">WOMAN </span>(Suddenly a <span class="caps">WOMAN</span> rises in audience, quite angrily): I&#8217;m not fictional!</p>

	<p><span class="caps">LORENZO</span>: I&#8217;m sorry, madam, but you are.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">WOMAN</span>: But I have a son at the Harvard Business School.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">LORENZO</span>: I created your son; he&#8217;s fictional. Not only is he fictional, he&#8217;s homosexual.<br />
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		<title>By: yabonn</title>
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		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the vicar mention that he was offended ? ((c) Bertram Ltd)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Did the vicar mention that he was offended ? ((c) Bertram Ltd)</p>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only comment in comment boxes about other comments, like yours for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I only comment in comment boxes about other comments, like yours for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t want to pile into the Plymouth Herald? If not now, when? Simstim, comment box not good enough for you, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t want to pile into the Plymouth Herald? If not now, when? Simstim, comment box not good enough for you, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve already commented on it &lt;a href=&quot;http://recursived.livejournal.com/274134.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;elsewhere.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve already commented on it <a href="http://recursived.livejournal.com/274134.html" rel="nofollow">elsewhere.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone really wants to pile into the Plymouth Herald, John.  Now if it had been Jyllands-Posten, say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone really wants to pile into the Plymouth Herald, John.  Now if it had been Jyllands-Posten, say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dejla</title>
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		<dc:creator>dejla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it would seem then that it did the job, didn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, it would seem then that it did the job, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no comments? not a one? (sniff)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>no comments? not a one? (sniff)</p>
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