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	<title>Comments on: If Zephod Beeblebrox shows up at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign and makes off with the interferometers, don&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t warn you.</title>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What I&#8217;ve been reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What I&#8217;ve been reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anyway, this post by John Holbo at CT, and particularly this comment, led me to a Wikipedia article which made it clear how you quantum processing could yield impressive gains without any magical mumbo-jumbo, so I went on to look for more, and found this book in the library. It&#8217;s very easy going for a general reader, and makes things pretty clear, though I took a couple of readings to get the details straight. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Anyway, this post by John Holbo at CT, and particularly this comment, led me to a Wikipedia article which made it clear how you quantum processing could yield impressive gains without any magical mumbo-jumbo, so I went on to look for more, and found this book in the library. It&#8217;s very easy going for a general reader, and makes things pretty clear, though I took a couple of readings to get the details straight. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: art</title>
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		<dc:creator>art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t panic! It&#039;s as simple as...oh, damn, where&#039;s my towel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t panic! It&#8217;s as simple as&#8230;oh, damn, where&#8217;s my towel!</p>
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		<title>By: Quantum interrogation &#124; Cosmic Variance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quantum interrogation &#124; Cosmic Variance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week was a classic example: the computer that could figure out the answer without actually doing a calculation! (See Uncertain Principles, Crooked Timber, 3 Quarks Daily.) The articles refer to an experiment performed by Onur Hosten and collaborators in Paul Kwiat&#8217;s group at Urbana-Champaign, involving an ingenious series of quantum-mechanical miracles. On the surface, these results seem nearly impossible to make sense of. (Indeed, Brad DeLong has nearly given up hope.) How can you get an answer without doing a calculation? Half of the problem is that imprecise language makes the experiment seem even more fantastical than it really is &#8212; the other half is that it really is quite astonishing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Last week was a classic example: the computer that could figure out the answer without actually doing a calculation! (See Uncertain Principles, Crooked Timber, 3 Quarks Daily.) The articles refer to an experiment performed by Onur Hosten and collaborators in Paul Kwiat&#8217;s group at Urbana-Champaign, involving an ingenious series of quantum-mechanical miracles. On the surface, these results seem nearly impossible to make sense of. (Indeed, Brad DeLong has nearly given up hope.) How can you get an answer without doing a calculation? Half of the problem is that imprecise language makes the experiment seem even more fantastical than it really is &#8212; the other half is that it really is quite astonishing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the bomb testing example is a pretty good start, Dylan. If you&#039;res till reading and can reference the SciAm article, that would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually, the bomb testing example is a pretty good start, Dylan. If you&#8217;res till reading and can reference the SciAm article, that would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 03:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy enough with Feynmann&#039;s  explanation of the two-slit experiment, and unlike Daniel I also like the multiverse representation. 

But I&#039;d like a decent reference on quantum computation focusing on the question implied by the post: can you get something for nothing here, and if so, how and in what sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m happy enough with Feynmann&#8217;s  explanation of the two-slit experiment, and unlike Daniel I also like the multiverse representation.</p>

	<p>But I&#8217;d like a decent reference on quantum computation focusing on the question implied by the post: can you get something for nothing here, and if so, how and in what sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Constructive Interference &#187; Some real (bizarre) constructive interference</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constructive Interference &#187; Some real (bizarre) constructive interference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: John Holbo at Crooked Timber has a somewhat more extreme reaction to this development&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia has a good page explaining a simpler version of this experiment: the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitzur-Vaidman_bomb-testing_problem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Elitzur-Vaidman bomb testing problem&lt;/a&gt;. That describes it all quite well, I thought, in an essentially correct way.

I seem to remember there was a good Scientific American article a few years ago, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wikipedia has a good page explaining a simpler version of this experiment: the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitzur-Vaidman_bomb-testing_problem" rel="nofollow">Elitzur-Vaidman bomb testing problem</a>. That describes it all quite well, I thought, in an essentially correct way.</p>

	<p>I seem to remember there was a good Scientific American article a few years ago, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: NPCurmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>NPCurmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;People who understand this experiment: where would you point us baffled non-physicists to get the hang of it?&lt;/em&gt;

Dan, that&#039;s such a good question that I scooted over to the Stanford bookstore to try to find a book that might be a good place to start. Unfortunately, I didn&#039;t find any unambiguously good candidates for you: they were heavy on analogies and hand-waving, and light on the details. For example, I think that the book by Aczel on Entanglement would not be to your liking.

There are probably two reasonable places to start:

1. Wikipedia has a pretty good page on &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quantum mechanics&lt;/a&gt;, and another page on just the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basics_of_quantum_mechanics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;basics&lt;/a&gt;.

2. Daniel&#039;s suggestion above is actually a pretty good one: try reading the third volume of the Feynman lectures. Feynman doesn&#039;t spend much time on entanglement, but he does an excellent job on the two-slit experiment. There is math, but I bet that you could just skim over it on the first reading. (It&#039;s mostly just algebra -- even if it looks more abstract than you saw in high school -- and the first year of calculus.)

If I were going to write a book on quantum mechanics for the layman, I think that I&#039;d describe one experiment per chapter, anticipate the result using &quot;classical&quot; intuition, and then describe the actual result. The apparent paradox would then be a vehicle for explaining what seems to be so odd about the universe. (For example, after a discussion of the two-slit experiment and a Bell-inequality experiment, I&#039;d discuss the quantum eraser.) After ten or so chapters, you could probably gain a pretty good understanding of the subject in a general way. I&#039;d forget the history completely; there are enough books on that subject already. Maybe there&#039;s a book available that&#039;s like this, but I didn&#039;t see it at the bookstore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>People who understand this experiment: where would you point us baffled non-physicists to get the hang of it?</em></p>

	<p>Dan, that&#8217;s such a good question that I scooted over to the Stanford bookstore to try to find a book that might be a good place to start. Unfortunately, I didn&#8217;t find any unambiguously good candidates for you: they were heavy on analogies and hand-waving, and light on the details. For example, I think that the book by Aczel on Entanglement would not be to your liking.</p>

	<p>There are probably two reasonable places to start:</p>

	<p>1. Wikipedia has a pretty good page on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics" rel="nofollow">quantum mechanics</a>, and another page on just the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basics_of_quantum_mechanics" rel="nofollow">basics</a>.</p>

	<p>2. Daniel&#8217;s suggestion above is actually a pretty good one: try reading the third volume of the Feynman lectures. Feynman doesn&#8217;t spend much time on entanglement, but he does an excellent job on the two-slit experiment. There is math, but I bet that you could just skim over it on the first reading. (It&#8217;s mostly just algebra&#8212;even if it looks more abstract than you saw in high school&#8212;and the first year of calculus.)</p>

	<p>If I were going to write a book on quantum mechanics for the layman, I think that I&#8217;d describe one experiment per chapter, anticipate the result using &#8220;classical&#8221; intuition, and then describe the actual result. The apparent paradox would then be a vehicle for explaining what seems to be so odd about the universe. (For example, after a discussion of the two-slit experiment and a Bell-inequality experiment, I&#8217;d discuss the quantum eraser.) After ten or so chapters, you could probably gain a pretty good understanding of the subject in a general way. I&#8217;d forget the history completely; there are enough books on that subject already. Maybe there&#8217;s a book available that&#8217;s like this, but I didn&#8217;t see it at the bookstore.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who understand this experiment: where would you point us baffled non-physicists to get the hang of it? 

I have a hard time finding anything between newspaper articles and popular science books (comprehensible, but only because they skip all the awkward bits, and make up with analogies and hand-waving), and the papers explaining the details (too much specialised math for the likes of me).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>People who understand this experiment: where would you point us baffled non-physicists to get the hang of it?</p>

	<p>I have a hard time finding anything between newspaper articles and popular science books (comprehensible, but only because they skip all the awkward bits, and make up with analogies and hand-waving), and the papers explaining the details (too much specialised math for the likes of me).</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can tell you exactly how transistors work, at the electron/semiconductor physics level. But there’s a mysterious “then a miracle occurs” step two in my understanding going from that to an actual chip doing calculations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? That&#039;s when it gets easy. At that point, it&#039;s boolean logic all the way up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>I can tell you exactly how transistors work, at the electron/semiconductor physics level. But there&#8217;s a mysterious &#8220;then a miracle occurs&#8221; step two in my understanding going from that to an actual chip doing calculations.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Really? That&#8217;s when it gets easy. At that point, it&#8217;s boolean logic all the way up.</p>
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		<title>By: dipnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>dipnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the...?  I did NOT write this comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What the&#8230;?  I did <span class="caps">NOT</span> write this comment!</p>
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		<title>By: garymar</title>
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		<dc:creator>garymar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experimenting with two slits and a chained Zeno effect? Count me in!</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The search algorithm and Zeno effect were the two things I found unusually mysterious out of the host of treasures.

Take the average humanities PhD as an example. Have that worthy read the Nature paper. Then read all of the references. Then read of the references&#039; references. Stop only when you get to something you&#039;ve read before. What&#039;s the average nesting distance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The search algorithm and Zeno effect were the two things I found unusually mysterious out of the host of treasures.</p>

	<p>Take the average humanities PhD as an example. Have that worthy read the Nature paper. Then read all of the references. Then read of the references&#8217; references. Stop only when you get to something you&#8217;ve read before. What&#8217;s the average nesting distance?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the basic physics principle without any problem. But I&#039;m a bit confused about the actual math here--from the newspaper blurb it sounded like they were doing something akin to the double slit, interfere with itself sort of thing, as Daniel points out. 

But then it goes on to imply that they also know which state it was in (in this case, the &quot;don&#039;t run the algorithm&quot; state.) And if you&#039;ve measured to determine the particle&#039;s path (in the two slit problem), then it no longer interferes with itself. So there&#039;s something different going on here. I assume it&#039;s explained in the Nature article (or in the references or the references of the references, since high profile physics articles are now constrained to being 3 pages long, which is much too short to actually explain any work starting from basics.), but that&#039;s behind a subscription wall.

This in addition to the general weirdness of quantum computing. Of course, regular computing is pretty weird, too--I can tell you exactly how transistors work, at the electron/semiconductor physics level. But there&#039;s a mysterious &quot;then a miracle occurs&quot; step two in my understanding going from that to an actual chip doing calculations. I have a similar problem transitioning in my mind from well understand prinsiples of quantum mechanics to performing calculations with them.

Just one more in the ever expanding list of fascinating things I don&#039;t have time to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I understand the basic physics principle without any problem. But I&#8217;m a bit confused about the actual math here&#8212;from the newspaper blurb it sounded like they were doing something akin to the double slit, interfere with itself sort of thing, as Daniel points out.</p>

	<p>But then it goes on to imply that they also know which state it was in (in this case, the &#8220;don&#8217;t run the algorithm&#8221; state.) And if you&#8217;ve measured to determine the particle&#8217;s path (in the two slit problem), then it no longer interferes with itself. So there&#8217;s something different going on here. I assume it&#8217;s explained in the Nature article (or in the references or the references of the references, since high profile physics articles are now constrained to being 3 pages long, which is much too short to actually explain any work starting from basics.), but that&#8217;s behind a subscription wall.</p>

	<p>This in addition to the general weirdness of quantum computing. Of course, regular computing is pretty weird, too&#8212;I can tell you exactly how transistors work, at the electron/semiconductor physics level. But there&#8217;s a mysterious &#8220;then a miracle occurs&#8221; step two in my understanding going from that to an actual chip doing calculations. I have a similar problem transitioning in my mind from well understand prinsiples of quantum mechanics to performing calculations with them.</p>

	<p>Just one more in the ever expanding list of fascinating things I don&#8217;t have time to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If you use multiverse theory, all this run/not run, simultaneity of position etc becomes perfectly plain. There’s nothing mysterious about it.&lt;/i&gt;

It doesn&#039;t really; it explains things &lt;i&gt;away&lt;/i&gt; rather than explaining them, by postulating a monstrous coincidence with respect to an utterly mysterious probability measure.  It&#039;s not really much of an advance on the theory that God wills it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If you use multiverse theory, all this run/not run, simultaneity of position etc becomes perfectly plain. There&#8217;s nothing mysterious about it.</i></p>

	<p>It doesn&#8217;t really; it explains things <i>away</i> rather than explaining them, by postulating a monstrous coincidence with respect to an utterly mysterious probability measure.  It&#8217;s not really much of an advance on the theory that God wills it so.</p>
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