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		<title>By: neontetra</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146434</link>
		<dc:creator>neontetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&#8220;Suppose oil is traded only in Mongolian tugriks. So, you take your currency to the forex, exchange it for some tugriks and buy all the oil you need – and then the seller immediately converts tugriks to euros or yuans or whatever. Net benefit for Mongolia? Exactly zero. What difference does it make? It seems to me that as oil exchange currency the US dollar is no more more significant than a subway token.&#8221;
&#8212;abb1&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This post brings up the very good question: what difference does it make what currency oil trades in, anyway? So, lets follow the admittedly absurd proposition that oil may only be traded in tugriks. A single crude oil contract (one thousand barrels) is worth almost 62 thousand bucks today. That converts to 73.5 million tugriks. Given a week or two, a banker might be able to come up with that sum. Don&#039;t forget that currencies are commodities, subject to supply and demand equations like any other. Some have a vary large, liquid market with small spreads between buy and sell quotes, others, like tugriks, don&#039;t. Maybe a Canadian mining and exploration company would want a lot of tugriks now and then. But overall, it is not a huge market.

How many oil contracts can the tugrik support? Total supply is not that large: M2 in 2004 is 847 billion tugriks (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adb.org/Documents/Books/Key_Indicators/2005/pdf/MON.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stats here&lt;/a&gt;). That will buy only 11 thousand oil contracts. Clearly, if the world traded oil only in tugriks, the Mongolian central bank would have to get busy issuing bonds. Bankers all over the world could buy these bonds and lend out the cash to those who want to buy oil. Mongolia would have to issue a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of bonds. This amount of cash would completely change Mongolia as a nation, because many of those petro-turgriks would come back to Mongolia. What would the Saudi princes do with their tugriks? They would probably buy beautiful ranches in Mongolia and breed racehorses (they probably already do that). Canadian oil-sand barons, Venezuelan oil rich bureaucrats, Russian KGB tycoons, all would have mountains of tugriks. Eventually that Mongolian cash would come home to roost like loyal hunting falcons on the high steppes of Asia. Because if the oil sellers don&#039;t buy Mongolian property with the tugriks, then they will have to sell them - the principal buyer would be the Mongolian central bank.

Mongolia would be &lt;i&gt;flooded&lt;/i&gt; with their own cash. Real estate values would soar, stock market values in Ulan Bator would skyrocket. Domestic industries such as mining, farming and manufacturing, would produce so little money in comparison to the huge currency trade that they would be declared unprofitable and irrelevant.  Because he money would come in through international banks instead of broad based domestic industry, it would be an extremely unequal distribution of wealth.  This is not unlike what has happened to the United States in recent decades. But the US economy, being the world&#039;s largest, can absorb such huge quantities of money much better than the tiny economy of Mongolia. 

The real question in my mind is why does oil have to be traded in a single currency? It was Henry Kissenger who formalized an agreement with OPEC, that in return for military protection, OPEC would agree to trade oil only in dollars. Kissenger foresaw the long term structural benefits to this arrangement. It need not be so. A sensible system would be to peg oil to gold. Oil exporters could ask for bullion, or, for countries that have stable currencies, could accept any national money at the rate gold trades for in that currency. Since every nation needs oil, it makes sense to trade it in a way that is internationally equitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>&ldquo;Suppose oil is traded only in Mongolian tugriks. So, you take your currency to the forex, exchange it for some tugriks and buy all the oil you need &#8211; and then the seller immediately converts tugriks to euros or yuans or whatever. Net benefit for Mongolia? Exactly zero. What difference does it make? It seems to me that as oil exchange currency the US dollar is no more more significant than a subway token.&rdquo;<br />
&mdash;abb1</blockquote><br />
This post brings up the very good question: what difference does it make what currency oil trades in, anyway? So, lets follow the admittedly absurd proposition that oil may only be traded in tugriks. A single crude oil contract (one thousand barrels) is worth almost 62 thousand bucks today. That converts to 73.5 million tugriks. Given a week or two, a banker might be able to come up with that sum. Don&#8217;t forget that currencies are commodities, subject to supply and demand equations like any other. Some have a vary large, liquid market with small spreads between buy and sell quotes, others, like tugriks, don&#8217;t. Maybe a Canadian mining and exploration company would want a lot of tugriks now and then. But overall, it is not a huge market.</p>

	<p>How many oil contracts can the tugrik support? Total supply is not that large: M2 in 2004 is 847 billion tugriks (<a href="http://www.adb.org/Documents/Books/Key_Indicators/2005/pdf/MON.pdf" rel="nofollow">stats here</a>). That will buy only 11 thousand oil contracts. Clearly, if the world traded oil only in tugriks, the Mongolian central bank would have to get busy issuing bonds. Bankers all over the world could buy these bonds and lend out the cash to those who want to buy oil. Mongolia would have to issue a <i>lot</i> of bonds. This amount of cash would completely change Mongolia as a nation, because many of those petro-turgriks would come back to Mongolia. What would the Saudi princes do with their tugriks? They would probably buy beautiful ranches in Mongolia and breed racehorses (they probably already do that). Canadian oil-sand barons, Venezuelan oil rich bureaucrats, Russian <span class="caps">KGB</span> tycoons, all would have mountains of tugriks. Eventually that Mongolian cash would come home to roost like loyal hunting falcons on the high steppes of Asia. Because if the oil sellers don&#8217;t buy Mongolian property with the tugriks, then they will have to sell them &#8211; the principal buyer would be the Mongolian central bank.</p>

	<p>Mongolia would be <i>flooded</i> with their own cash. Real estate values would soar, stock market values in Ulan Bator would skyrocket. Domestic industries such as mining, farming and manufacturing, would produce so little money in comparison to the huge currency trade that they would be declared unprofitable and irrelevant.  Because he money would come in through international banks instead of broad based domestic industry, it would be an extremely unequal distribution of wealth.  This is not unlike what has happened to the United States in recent decades. But the US economy, being the world&#8217;s largest, can absorb such huge quantities of money much better than the tiny economy of Mongolia.</p>

	<p>The real question in my mind is why does oil have to be traded in a single currency? It was Henry Kissenger who formalized an agreement with <span class="caps">OPEC</span>, that in return for military protection, <span class="caps">OPEC</span> would agree to trade oil only in dollars. Kissenger foresaw the long term structural benefits to this arrangement. It need not be so. A sensible system would be to peg oil to gold. Oil exporters could ask for bullion, or, for countries that have stable currencies, could accept any national money at the rate gold trades for in that currency. Since every nation needs oil, it makes sense to trade it in a way that is internationally equitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McHugh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146309</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McHugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fed Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson unexpectedly announced Wednesday he was stepping down to pursue &quot;other professional opportunities&quot; (translation: that usually is the terminology given when either the boss or the employee are not happy with each other). Interesting timing, with M-3 about to be hidden, with the Iran oil bourse about to only accept Euros. Recently, Bernanke replaced Greenbackspan as Fed Chairman, which comes on the heels of the resignation of the Philadelphia Fed Regional Bank President Anthony Santomero, which followed resignations of two of the seven Fed Governor spots (which Bush finally filled this week), and six of the twelve Fed Regional Bank President posts over the preceding two years. Hey, Fed Governors and Regional Bank Presidents are treated like gods. They have enormous power, prestige, and presence. Why quit? Why the wholesale resignations? Could it have to do with what&#039;s coming down the pike?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fed Vice Chairman Roger Ferguson unexpectedly announced Wednesday he was stepping down to pursue &#8220;other professional opportunities&#8221; (translation: that usually is the terminology given when either the boss or the employee are not happy with each other). Interesting timing, with M-3 about to be hidden, with the Iran oil bourse about to only accept Euros. Recently, Bernanke replaced Greenbackspan as Fed Chairman, which comes on the heels of the resignation of the Philadelphia Fed Regional Bank President Anthony Santomero, which followed resignations of two of the seven Fed Governor spots (which Bush finally filled this week), and six of the twelve Fed Regional Bank President posts over the preceding two years. Hey, Fed Governors and Regional Bank Presidents are treated like gods. They have enormous power, prestige, and presence. Why quit? Why the wholesale resignations? Could it have to do with what&#8217;s coming down the pike?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Oldfield</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146306</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Oldfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An article with a similar conclusion was written by Iranian academic Bahman Aghai Diba for the Persian Journal. These pieces insist that Iran lacks the legal and financial infrastructure to host international trading in oil.

These writers are missing a key point. They are assuming that oil will continue to trade freely, albeit perhaps at a much higher price. They assume that liquidity and transparancy will endure in the oil markets. But there may come a time when geologically driven oil shortages dry up liquidity in the oil markets. There may come a time when politically driven resource competition creates shortages in the oil markets. Liquidity will disappear when sellers in New York and London cannot guarantee delivery. It stands to reason that commodity markets function best, with great liquidity, when there is a plentiful supply of goods to trade. If there is a shortage, much less of that commodity will end up on the auction block. This is especially true for strategically critical commodities such as oil.

http://www.energybulletin.net/13225.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An article with a similar conclusion was written by Iranian academic Bahman Aghai Diba for the Persian Journal. These pieces insist that Iran lacks the legal and financial infrastructure to host international trading in oil.</p>

	<p>These writers are missing a key point. They are assuming that oil will continue to trade freely, albeit perhaps at a much higher price. They assume that liquidity and transparancy will endure in the oil markets. But there may come a time when geologically driven oil shortages dry up liquidity in the oil markets. There may come a time when politically driven resource competition creates shortages in the oil markets. Liquidity will disappear when sellers in New York and London cannot guarantee delivery. It stands to reason that commodity markets function best, with great liquidity, when there is a plentiful supply of goods to trade. If there is a shortage, much less of that commodity will end up on the auction block. This is especially true for strategically critical commodities such as oil.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/13225.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/13225.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Oldfield</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146302</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Oldfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul talks to congress 15.02.2006 (see video)
http://www.energybulletin.net/12987.html

&quot;Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world’s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.

The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world’s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be “as good as gold,” and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.

The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question-- until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.

See Wikipedia petroeuro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroeuro
It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.

Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it-- not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ron Paul talks to congress 15.02.2006 (see video)<br />
<a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/12987.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/12987.html</a></p>

	<p>&#8220;Dollar dominance got a huge boost after World War II. We were spared the destruction that so many other nations suffered, and our coffers were filled with the world&#8217;s gold. But the world chose not to return to the discipline of the gold standard, and the politicians applauded. Printing money to pay the bills was a lot more popular than taxing or restraining unnecessary spending. In spite of the short-term benefits, imbalances were institutionalized for decades to come.</p>

	<p>The 1944 Bretton Woods agreement solidified the dollar as the preeminent world reserve currency, replacing the British pound. Due to our political and military muscle, and because we had a huge amount of physical gold, the world readily accepted our dollar (defined as 1/35th of an ounce of gold) as the world&#8217;s reserve currency. The dollar was said to be &#8220;as good as gold,&#8221; and convertible to all foreign central banks at that rate. For American citizens, however, it remained illegal to own. This was a gold-exchange standard that from inception was doomed to fail.</p>

	<p>The U.S. did exactly what many predicted she would do. She printed more dollars for which there was no gold backing. But the world was content to accept those dollars for more than 25 years with little question&#8212;until the French and others in the late 1960s demanded we fulfill our promise to pay one ounce of gold for each $35 they delivered to the U.S. Treasury. This resulted in a huge gold drain that brought an end to a very poorly devised pseudo-gold standard.</p>

	<p>See Wikipedia petroeuro:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroeuro" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroeuro</a><br />
It all ended on August 15, 1971, when Nixon closed the gold window and refused to pay out any of our remaining 280 million ounces of gold. In essence, we declared our insolvency and everyone recognized some other monetary system had to be devised in order to bring stability to the markets.</p>

	<p>Amazingly, a new system was devised which allowed the U.S. to operate the printing presses for the world reserve currency with no restraints placed on it&#8212;not even a pretense of gold convertibility, none whatsoever! Though the new policy was even more deeply flawed, it nevertheless opened the door for dollar hegemony to spread.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146234</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, john quiggin, I am afraid you would have to show a much longer time series than that for me to take your argument seriously.&quot;

Pleased to see someone taking the long historical view. I&#039;ll be sure to disregard anything you say about the Bush Administration in future, since, as you say, the time series is too short to make any reliable inference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Well, john quiggin, I am afraid you would have to show a much longer time series than that for me to take your argument seriously.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Pleased to see someone taking the long historical view. I&#8217;ll be sure to disregard anything you say about the Bush Administration in future, since, as you say, the time series is too short to make any reliable inference.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Boone</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146230</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Boone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing is certain, the euro is gaining a foothold in the world markets ever since its inception and it&#039;s challenging the ubiquity of the US$. The more the world commerce uses the euro, the less we transact in US$ and, hence, the US currency loses importance, which eventually poses serious problems to the overindebted US economy. Furthermore, conceivably the Iran oil bourse could start as a local marketplace for the Iran oil, Iran providing liquidity at first as the sole market maker, that is, just selling the oil through the bourse to whoever wants to buy it at market prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One thing is certain, the euro is gaining a foothold in the world markets ever since its inception and it&#8217;s challenging the ubiquity of the US$. The more the world commerce uses the euro, the less we transact in US$ and, hence, the US currency loses importance, which eventually poses serious problems to the overindebted US economy. Furthermore, conceivably the Iran oil bourse could start as a local marketplace for the Iran oil, Iran providing liquidity at first as the sole market maker, that is, just selling the oil through the bourse to whoever wants to buy it at market prices.</p>
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		<title>By: saurabh</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146227</link>
		<dc:creator>saurabh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: ajay, if the price of oil doubling led to greater demand for tugriks, why wouldn&#039;t we have seen the dollar climbing in the past year? Instead while the price of oil skyrocketed, the dollar dropped... That suggests to me the petroleum markets just aren&#039;t that important to the forex markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: ajay, if the price of oil doubling led to greater demand for tugriks, why wouldn&#8217;t we have seen the dollar climbing in the past year? Instead while the price of oil skyrocketed, the dollar dropped&#8230; That suggests to me the petroleum markets just aren&#8217;t that important to the forex markets.</p>
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		<title>By: y81</title>
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		<dc:creator>y81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, john quiggin, I am afraid you would have to show a much longer time series than that for me to take your argument seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, john quiggin, I am afraid you would have to show a much longer time series than that for me to take your argument seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146129</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more significant market is the market for oil futures and options rather than the market for oil itself. Trading oil in dollars as opposed to any other currency means that the buyer has to obtain $X+d to purchase the oil and shortly after the seller has to dispose of $X-d where X is the price of the oil and d is the commission. If both purchases take place at the same time the net effect on the dollar is to slightly increse the volatility of the dollar in the very short term. 

The price of oil and the exchange rates both fluctuate. If you are a European buying oil you face the risk of the dollar price of oil changing unfavorably plus the risk of the exchange rate changing unfavorably. Both risks can be hedged using options and/or futures. These effects are spread out over a much longer term as the hedging strategies of the buyers and sellers are not matched.

The result is that currencies that are used by the commodity exchanges tend to be much more volatile than non-commodity currencies. That is one of the main reasons why Major could not keep the pound in the ERM, the volume of sterling traded each day was greater than all the other currencies combined. The volumes traded on the LSE or NYSE are much larger than the amounts traded on the commodity exchanges but the proportion of foreign money washing into and out of the exchange is much greater.

Given that exchange rate stability is considered to be a desirable goal these days there are considerable disadvantages to being a trading currency for a major commodity.

That said Iran could probably realize its goal of trading oil in Euros if it found a way to offer a futures contract that was attractive to traders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The more significant market is the market for oil futures and options rather than the market for oil itself. Trading oil in dollars as opposed to any other currency means that the buyer has to obtain $X+d to purchase the oil and shortly after the seller has to dispose of $X-d where X is the price of the oil and d is the commission. If both purchases take place at the same time the net effect on the dollar is to slightly increse the volatility of the dollar in the very short term.</p>

	<p>The price of oil and the exchange rates both fluctuate. If you are a European buying oil you face the risk of the dollar price of oil changing unfavorably plus the risk of the exchange rate changing unfavorably. Both risks can be hedged using options and/or futures. These effects are spread out over a much longer term as the hedging strategies of the buyers and sellers are not matched.</p>

	<p>The result is that currencies that are used by the commodity exchanges tend to be much more volatile than non-commodity currencies. That is one of the main reasons why Major could not keep the pound in the <span class="caps">ERM</span>, the volume of sterling traded each day was greater than all the other currencies combined. The volumes traded on the <span class="caps">LSE</span> or <span class="caps">NYSE</span> are much larger than the amounts traded on the commodity exchanges but the proportion of foreign money washing into and out of the exchange is much greater.</p>

	<p>Given that exchange rate stability is considered to be a desirable goal these days there are considerable disadvantages to being a trading currency for a major commodity.</p>

	<p>That said Iran could probably realize its goal of trading oil in Euros if it found a way to offer a futures contract that was attractive to traders.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146094</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all it&#039;s the &lt;i&gt;buyer&lt;/i&gt; - not seller - who may want to keep some oil currency in reserve. 

Well, this is all symmetrical - price of oil is equally likely to go up or down at any given moment, and price of the tugrik too. Also, if oil is worth more tugriks, then the oil sellers will have to get rid of more tugriks, it&#039;ll balance out. It just serves as symbolic token in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>First of all it&#8217;s the <i>buyer</i> &#8211; not seller &#8211; who may want to keep some oil currency in reserve.</p>

	<p>Well, this is all symmetrical &#8211; price of oil is equally likely to go up or down at any given moment, and price of the tugrik too. Also, if oil is worth more tugriks, then the oil sellers will have to get rid of more tugriks, it&#8217;ll balance out. It just serves as symbolic token in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: John F. Opie</title>
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		<dc:creator>John F. Opie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole point of having your domestic currency also be the world&#039;s currency is that you don&#039;t have to maintain foreign reserves worth a darn.

This means that instead of capital being caught up in massive foreign reserves (so that your central bank can handle all the external redemptions of your local currency) like it is in many countries in the world, you maintain very small foreign reserves, more or less because you&#039;ve committed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The whole point of having your domestic currency also be the world&#8217;s currency is that you don&#8217;t have to maintain foreign reserves worth a darn.</p>

	<p>This means that instead of capital being caught up in massive foreign reserves (so that your central bank can handle all the external redemptions of your local currency) like it is in many countries in the world, you maintain very small foreign reserves, more or less because you&#8217;ve committed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146080</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I understand, here&#039;s why: oil price suddenly doubles, so your oil bill doubles, so you need to pay twice the number of tugriks. Of course, as soon as oil goes up demand for tugriks will also go up, so the tugrik will become dearer; leaving you in a bit of trouble unless you already have a few tugriks in an old sock somewhere, in which case you can buy your oil with them rather than having to buy expensive tugriks in order to buy expensive oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As far as I understand, here&#8217;s why: oil price suddenly doubles, so your oil bill doubles, so you need to pay twice the number of tugriks. Of course, as soon as oil goes up demand for tugriks will also go up, so the tugrik will become dearer; leaving you in a bit of trouble unless you already have a few tugriks in an old sock somewhere, in which case you can buy your oil with them rather than having to buy expensive tugriks in order to buy expensive oil.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146075</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would it be prudent for the seller to keep a reserve of tugriks? I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why would it be prudent for the seller to keep a reserve of tugriks? I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146065</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other point is liquidity. Not to put too fine a point on it, who the hell is going to shift from doing business in London or New York to Teheran? First of all, given that even the Japanese are having trouble running a computerised exchange, would you trust the Iranians? Would you trust contracts made under Iranian law? Would you trust an Iranian court with a derivatives issue?
And why would you shift from a highly liquid exchange like London to a new startup which offers no clear advantages?
For that matter, why would you shift to doing business in euros? 
Even if Iran sells all its own oil only on the IOB, that&#039;s still only 4% of total world production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The other point is liquidity. Not to put too fine a point on it, who the hell is going to shift from doing business in London or New York to Teheran? First of all, given that even the Japanese are having trouble running a computerised exchange, would you trust the Iranians? Would you trust contracts made under Iranian law? Would you trust an Iranian court with a derivatives issue?<br />
And why would you shift from a highly liquid exchange like London to a new startup which offers no clear advantages?<br />
For that matter, why would you shift to doing business in euros?<br />
Even if Iran sells all its own oil only on the <span class="caps">IOB</span>, that&#8217;s still only 4% of total world production.</p>
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		<title>By: Harald Korneliussen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/26/iranian-oil-bourse/comment-page-1/#comment-146064</link>
		<dc:creator>Harald Korneliussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abb1 wrote: &quot;So, you take your currency to the forex, exchange it for some tugriks and buy all the oil you need – and then the seller immediately converts tugriks to euros or yuans or whatever. Net benefit for Mongolia? Exactly zero. What difference does it make?&quot;

But the seller doesn&#039;t immediately convert the tugriks to euros, does he? Wouldn&#039;t it be prudent of him to keep a reserve of tugriks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1 wrote: &#8220;So, you take your currency to the forex, exchange it for some tugriks and buy all the oil you need &#8211; and then the seller immediately converts tugriks to euros or yuans or whatever. Net benefit for Mongolia? Exactly zero. What difference does it make?&#8221;</p>

	<p>But the seller doesn&#8217;t immediately convert the tugriks to euros, does he? Wouldn&#8217;t it be prudent of him to keep a reserve of tugriks?</p>
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