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		<title>By: eb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/02/28/if-its-funny-must-it-be-true/comment-page-1/#comment-146463</link>
		<dc:creator>eb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post &quot;ha!&quot;, ergo propter &quot;ha!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Post &#8220;ha!&#8221;, ergo propter &#8220;ha!&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Ahistoricality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahistoricality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;ad joculum&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: robbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find many lefty blogs biting and incisive, but I very seldom find them truly &quot;funny.&quot; That is, I can&#039;t remember the last time I cracked a smile at this site, or any other political site, let alone laughed out loud.


Sites like the Exile and Something Awful offer true comedy on the web, but Exile is really like a magazine and SA is focused on making comedy -- they&#039;re not blogs.

Blogs offer snarkiness, looseness, the imperative to state one&#039;s personal opinions, as well as true interactivity that&#039;s not mediated by an editor deciding which one or two letters get published. Naturally there&#039;s an element of humor in the snarkiness, but for me that&#039;s about the extent of humor I find in lefty blogs, and it&#039;s pretty thin sauce. Nothing wrong with any of that, but I&#039;m interested to know whether John thinks that anything he writes here is truly lol &quot;funny.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I find many lefty blogs biting and incisive, but I very seldom find them truly &#8220;funny.&#8221; That is, I can&#8217;t remember the last time I cracked a smile at this site, or any other political site, let alone laughed out loud.</p>


	<p>Sites like the Exile and Something Awful offer true comedy on the web, but Exile is really like a magazine and SA is focused on making comedy&#8212;they&#8217;re not blogs.</p>

	<p>Blogs offer snarkiness, looseness, the imperative to state one&#8217;s personal opinions, as well as true interactivity that&#8217;s not mediated by an editor deciding which one or two letters get published. Naturally there&#8217;s an element of humor in the snarkiness, but for me that&#8217;s about the extent of humor I find in lefty blogs, and it&#8217;s pretty thin sauce. Nothing wrong with any of that, but I&#8217;m interested to know whether John thinks that anything he writes here is truly lol &#8220;funny.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 06:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that the straight man is at a disadvantage compared to the comic?  Abbott always won the money against Costello.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it true that the straight man is at a disadvantage compared to the comic?  Abbott always won the money against Costello.</p>
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		<title>By: rollo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rollo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Ashley, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury (29, above) being no doubt somewhat unfamiliar with the layout of a traditional keyboard, or typing generally for all that, I&#039;ll presume the liberty of displaying his apt and cogent phrases in a less diminished form, punctuated just as we received them:&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;For that which can be shewn only in a certain Light, is questionable.Truth, ’tis suppos’d, may bear all Lights: and one of those principal Lights or natural Mediums, by which Things are to be view’d, in order to a thorow Recognition, is Ridicule it-self, or that Manner of Proof by which we discern whatever is liable to just Raillery in any Subject. 
So much, at least, is allow’d by All, who at any time appeal to this Criterion. The gravest Gentlemen, even n the gravest Subjects, are suppos’d to acknowledg this: and can have no Right, ’tis thought, to deny others the Freedom of this Appeal; whilst they are free to censure like other Men, and in their gravest Arguments make no scruple to ask, Is it not Ridiculous?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lord Ashley, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury (29, above) being no doubt somewhat unfamiliar with the layout of a traditional keyboard, or typing generally for all that, I&#8217;ll presume the liberty of displaying his apt and cogent phrases in a less diminished form, punctuated just as we received them:<blockquote>&#8220;For that which can be shewn only in a certain Light, is questionable.Truth, &#8217;tis suppos&#8217;d, may bear all Lights: and one of those principal Lights or natural Mediums, by which Things are to be view&#8217;d, in order to a thorow Recognition, is Ridicule it-self, or that Manner of Proof by which we discern whatever is liable to just Raillery in any Subject.<br />
So much, at least, is allow&#8217;d by All, who at any time appeal to this Criterion. The gravest Gentlemen, even n the gravest Subjects, are suppos&#8217;d to acknowledg this: and can have no Right, &#8217;tis thought, to deny others the Freedom of this Appeal; whilst they are free to censure like other Men, and in their gravest Arguments make no scruple to ask, Is it not Ridiculous?&#8221;</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>17: The &#039;fat supermodels&#039; vs &#039;fat american&#039; observation doesn&#039;t rely on a grain of truth so much as echo some grain of common belief. Might be based on some facts, might be based on prejudice, myth or propaganda. See the 1980&#039;s series &quot;Truly Tasteless Jokes&quot; for examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>17: The &#8216;fat supermodels&#8217; vs &#8216;fat american&#8217; observation doesn&#8217;t rely on a grain of truth so much as echo some grain of common belief. Might be based on some facts, might be based on prejudice, myth or propaganda. See the 1980&#8217;s series &#8220;Truly Tasteless Jokes&#8221; for examples.</p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Mar 2006 02:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 &amp; 14: Jon Stewart&#039;s point hit home (for me) because in his monologue he doesn&#039;t pitch the jokes to the ignorant - he assumes a moderately intelligent, moderately engaged audience. His plea to Tucker Carlson not to dumb-down his show was thereby effective, even though Stewart can always claim not to be taking politicians seriously. He accused Crossfire folk of making the population more apathetic, whereas the Daily Show makes politics less intimidating and less dull. 

Stephen Colbert would not have been able to make Stewart&#039;s point as effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>10 &#038; 14: Jon Stewart&#8217;s point hit home (for me) because in his monologue he doesn&#8217;t pitch the jokes to the ignorant &#8211; he assumes a moderately intelligent, moderately engaged audience. His plea to Tucker Carlson not to dumb-down his show was thereby effective, even though Stewart can always claim not to be taking politicians seriously. He accused Crossfire folk of making the population more apathetic, whereas the Daily Show makes politics less intimidating and less dull.</p>

	<p>Stephen Colbert would not have been able to make Stewart&#8217;s point as effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth, &#039;tis supposed, may bear all lights; and one those principal lights or natural mediums by which things are to be viewed in order to a thorough recognition is ridicule itself.
&lt;i&gt;Essay on the Freedom of Wit and Humour&lt;/i&gt; !.1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Truth, &#8216;tis supposed, may bear all lights; and one those principal lights or natural mediums by which things are to be viewed in order to a thorough recognition is ridicule itself.<br />
<i>Essay on the Freedom of Wit and Humour</i> !.1</p>
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		<title>By: Shelby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You have read something Mark Steyn wrote in the last several years, I take it?&quot;

That made me laugh -- and then I realized that it was in much the same way Steyn sometimes makes me laugh.  So, your line and his are comparably funny, therefore comparably true.

Aside from demonstrating the fallacy, though, consider newspaper sports journalism.  Though usually regarded as jouranlism-lite, it often packages solid reporting and sound insight with humor and the most colorful writing in the paper.  To some extent, I think the use of humor can lead readers or viewers to discount the seriousness of your point.  Maybe overcoming this &quot;discount&quot; is the mark of the truly great &quot;funny commentator&quot;?  With Mark Twain the presumed apotheosis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;You have read something Mark Steyn wrote in the last several years, I take it?&#8221;</p>

	<p>That made me laugh&#8212;and then I realized that it was in much the same way Steyn sometimes makes me laugh.  So, your line and his are comparably funny, therefore comparably true.</p>

	<p>Aside from demonstrating the fallacy, though, consider newspaper sports journalism.  Though usually regarded as jouranlism-lite, it often packages solid reporting and sound insight with humor and the most colorful writing in the paper.  To some extent, I think the use of humor can lead readers or viewers to discount the seriousness of your point.  Maybe overcoming this &#8220;discount&#8221; is the mark of the truly great &#8220;funny commentator&#8221;?  With Mark Twain the presumed apotheosis.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hume is the wrong philosopher to smuggle into the discussion. You should reference the guy who wrote this:

&quot;Precisely because we are at bottom grave and serious human beings—really more weights than human beings—nothing does us as much good as a fool&#039;s cap: we need it in relation to ourselves—we need all exuberant, floating, dancing, mocking, childish, and blissful art lest we lose the freedom above things that our ideal demands of us. It would mean a relapse for us, with our irritable honesty, to get involved entirely in morality and, for the sake of the over-severe demands we make on ourselves in these matters, to become virtuous monsters and scarecrows. We should be able also to stand above morality—and not only to stand with the anxious stiffness of a man who is afraid of slipping and falling at any moment, but also to float above it and play! How then could we possibly dispense with art, and with the fool?&quot;

He had a name for this kind of thing: the Gay Science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hume is the wrong philosopher to smuggle into the discussion. You should reference the guy who wrote this:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Precisely because we are at bottom grave and serious human beings&#8212;really more weights than human beings&#8212;nothing does us as much good as a fool&#8217;s cap: we need it in relation to ourselves&#8212;we need all exuberant, floating, dancing, mocking, childish, and blissful art lest we lose the freedom above things that our ideal demands of us. It would mean a relapse for us, with our irritable honesty, to get involved entirely in morality and, for the sake of the over-severe demands we make on ourselves in these matters, to become virtuous monsters and scarecrows. We should be able also to stand above morality&#8212;and not only to stand with the anxious stiffness of a man who is afraid of slipping and falling at any moment, but also to float above it and play! How then could we possibly dispense with art, and with the fool?&#8221;</p>

	<p>He had a name for this kind of thing: the Gay Science.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Design Matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy&#8217;s Weblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Design Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft redesigns the iPod package. Hey, it&#8217;s funny, so it must be true, right? (Actually in this case that&#8217;s correct.) Via John Gruber. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kinda funny. Guess who made &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3wsb.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this statement&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;There is so much ugliness and viciousness and fundamental untruths that the blogosphere transmits. It also is a vehicle for ugly rumors, for scurrilous personal attacks, an avenue for the creation of urban legends which are deeply corrosive of the political system and of people’s faith in it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is kinda funny. Guess who made <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3wsb.htm" rel="nofollow">this statement</a>:<br />
<blockquote>There is so much ugliness and viciousness and fundamental untruths that the blogosphere transmits. It also is a vehicle for ugly rumors, for scurrilous personal attacks, an avenue for the creation of urban legends which are deeply corrosive of the political system and of people&#8217;s faith in it.</blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13.
  Sorry, dude.  I didn&#039;t know George Clooney was off limits.

Steve</description>
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Sorry, dude.  I didn&#8217;t know George Clooney was off limits.</p>

	<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Why Design Matters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Why Design Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Microsoft redesigns the iPod package. Hey, it&#8217;s funny, so it must be true, right? (Actually in this case that&#8217;s correct.) Via John Gruber. posted on Tuesday, February 28th, 2006 at 10:45 am      Post a comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Delicious Pundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delicious Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could name it the Humorous Fallacy, and puzzle future students when they wonder why it&#039;s not funny.

I tend to agree with John Emerson about the limits of humor.  In fact, I thought Jon Stewart was unconvincing on Crossfire -- how does Stewart know &lt;i&gt;he&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; not hurting America, too?  How does he know he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;helping&lt;/i&gt; by turning politics into a comedy product presented by a huge corporation and made to be consumed on a couch?   (Disclaimer:  I do the same thing, only worse, because my show doesn&#039;t even have politics.  Double disclaimer: having had to write daily topical jokes back in the day, I know how hard it is &amp; appreciate hiis show even more.  They need that every fourth week off, people.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You could name it the Humorous Fallacy, and puzzle future students when they wonder why it&#8217;s not funny.</p>

	<p>I tend to agree with John Emerson about the limits of humor.  In fact, I thought Jon Stewart was unconvincing on Crossfire&#8212;how does Stewart know <i>he&#8217;s</i> not hurting America, too?  How does he know he&#8217;s <i>helping</i> by turning politics into a comedy product presented by a huge corporation and made to be consumed on a couch?   (Disclaimer:  I do the same thing, only worse, because my show doesn&#8217;t even have politics.  Double disclaimer: having had to write daily topical jokes back in the day, I know how hard it is &#038; appreciate hiis show even more.  They need that every fourth week off, people.)</p>
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