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		<title>By: razor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146672</link>
		<dc:creator>razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly most in law is completely apolitical and more akin to fixing a backed up toilet than to Judicial Philosophy (whatever that is). And certainly Gore v. Bush could have been decided in an apolitical way but absolutely positively was not. The precedent is unequivocal. No matter how many the anectdotes of Scalia&#039;s regular guy integrity. 

But the prestige in law is always in the areas where politics rule. It has been long observed that the higher the court, the greater the opportunity to make political decisions and the less the ability (and inclination) to make a plumbing decision. In high courts now the cutting edge politics is that of the Federalist Society, and those so connected are in high demand. In contrast, members of a similiarly marginal fringe group, the National Lawyers Guild, remain in zero demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Certainly most in law is completely apolitical and more akin to fixing a backed up toilet than to Judicial Philosophy (whatever that is). And certainly Gore v. Bush could have been decided in an apolitical way but absolutely positively was not. The precedent is unequivocal. No matter how many the anectdotes of Scalia&#8217;s regular guy integrity.</p>

	<p>But the prestige in law is always in the areas where politics rule. It has been long observed that the higher the court, the greater the opportunity to make political decisions and the less the ability (and inclination) to make a plumbing decision. In high courts now the cutting edge politics is that of the Federalist Society, and those so connected are in high demand. In contrast, members of a similiarly marginal fringe group, the National Lawyers Guild, remain in zero demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe S.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146615</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot in law that is completely apolitical: somewhere between plumbing and engineering.  I once worked with a fellow for about six years.  We got along well, but I thought he was a bit too solicitous of consumers in ways that gummed up the integrity of the legal rules we were working on.  He died; I went to his funeral.  Justice Scalia gave the eulogy; they were apparently ideological soulmates.  I put myself to the left of Atrios, FWIW.   And this is not the only case I know of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There is a lot in law that is completely apolitical: somewhere between plumbing and engineering.  I once worked with a fellow for about six years.  We got along well, but I thought he was a bit too solicitous of consumers in ways that gummed up the integrity of the legal rules we were working on.  He died; I went to his funeral.  Justice Scalia gave the eulogy; they were apparently ideological soulmates.  I put myself to the left of Atrios, <span class="caps">FWIW</span>.   And this is not the only case I know of.</p>
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		<title>By: razor</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146573</link>
		<dc:creator>razor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh,
As to law school
it is vocational. Three years and out. 
The best talent starts at six figures 
and expects to soon do better, which is why it went to a trade school. 

For the would be teachers, 
the annointed clerked for a 
Supreme Court Justice. (The Post Doc.)
The less talented can be annointed by working, for, say Ken Starr, which, position, like that of working for the Iraq provisional authority, requires a political partisanship test, does it not? (Remember how the most recent Supreme Court Justice lied about his beliefs by saying that when he said he was a conservative, to get a job in the Republican administration, he was just lying to get the job and did not really mean what he said? He will be hiring clerks who will be getting plum law school jobs. Think political bias might effect who he hires as clerks?) 

Those of whatever bizarre political biases are preferred by Supreme Court members have a huge advantage in all legal job markets completely out of proportion to their relative merit as measured in either the academic legal community or in the professional legal community. In this field, if one&#039;s biases are shared by a majority of judges, then one is on the frontier of the emerging Truth, and so a hot commodity. It is as if the student&#039;s dissertation advisor himself will write the laws that retroactively establish as a matter of law that the student&#039;s dissertation is right. Every school wants professors with that type of The Fix Is In brilliance. 

So getting back to the GMU/Oakland A nonsense, John Yoo, that worthless crazy whore, works at famously conservative Berkley, does he not? http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/profiles/facultyProfile.php?facID=235

Why does Berkley want Yoo? Because Yoo&#039;s politics matched those of people with power, which he used to make connections, so that he got the positions where his politics made him useful, which gave him the credentials that that made him desirable to Berkley&#039;s frugal search for conservative intellectual excellence. After all - Oakland is Berkley&#039;s neighbor. 

In short, what a load.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uh,<br />
As to law school<br />
it is vocational. Three years and out.<br />
The best talent starts at six figures<br />
and expects to soon do better, which is why it went to a trade school.</p>

	<p>For the would be teachers,<br />
the annointed clerked for a<br />
Supreme Court Justice. (The Post Doc.)<br />
The less talented can be annointed by working, for, say Ken Starr, which, position, like that of working for the Iraq provisional authority, requires a political partisanship test, does it not? (Remember how the most recent Supreme Court Justice lied about his beliefs by saying that when he said he was a conservative, to get a job in the Republican administration, he was just lying to get the job and did not really mean what he said? He will be hiring clerks who will be getting plum law school jobs. Think political bias might effect who he hires as clerks?)</p>

	<p>Those of whatever bizarre political biases are preferred by Supreme Court members have a huge advantage in all legal job markets completely out of proportion to their relative merit as measured in either the academic legal community or in the professional legal community. In this field, if one&#8217;s biases are shared by a majority of judges, then one is on the frontier of the emerging Truth, and so a hot commodity. It is as if the student&#8217;s dissertation advisor himself will write the laws that retroactively establish as a matter of law that the student&#8217;s dissertation is right. Every school wants professors with that type of The Fix Is In brilliance.</p>

	<p>So getting back to the <span class="caps">GMU</span>/Oakland A nonsense, John Yoo, that worthless crazy whore, works at famously conservative Berkley, does he not? <a href="http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/profiles/facultyProfile.php?facID=235" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.berkeley.edu/faculty/profiles/facultyProfile.php?facID=235</a></p>

	<p>Why does Berkley want Yoo? Because Yoo&#8217;s politics matched those of people with power, which he used to make connections, so that he got the positions where his politics made him useful, which gave him the credentials that that made him desirable to Berkley&#8217;s frugal search for conservative intellectual excellence. After all &#8211; Oakland is Berkley&#8217;s neighbor.</p>

	<p>In short, what a load.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Holsclaw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146500</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Holsclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And black people don’t have political beliefs that privilege monetary success in quite the same way as conservatives do&quot;

Not in the same way, but quite possibly to the same intensity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;And black people don&#8217;t have political beliefs that privilege monetary success in quite the same way as conservatives do&#8221;</p>

	<p>Not in the same way, but quite possibly to the same intensity.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, black people have faced a lot of discrimation historically and still face it throughout their lives (conscious or unconscious) today; much more so than conservatives obviously do in academia. And black people don&#039;t have political beliefs that privilege monetary success in quite the same way as conservatives do; for instance, one would be surprised to see a major black political group put out a chart &lt;a href=&quot;http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2004/04/hardworking_ind.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;defining&lt;/a&gt; &quot;Hardworking Individuals and Married Couples&quot; as those making over $200,000. Otherwise, it&#039;s an &lt;i&gt;exact&lt;/i&gt; analogy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, black people have faced a lot of discrimation historically and still face it throughout their lives (conscious or unconscious) today; much more so than conservatives obviously do in academia. And black people don&#8217;t have political beliefs that privilege monetary success in quite the same way as conservatives do; for instance, one would be surprised to see a major black political group put out a chart <a href="http://markschmitt.typepad.com/decembrist/2004/04/hardworking_ind.html" rel="nofollow">defining</a> &#8220;Hardworking Individuals and Married Couples&#8221; as those making over $200,000. Otherwise, it&#8217;s an <i>exact</i> analogy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Holsclaw</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146474</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian Holsclaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But it seems to me correct that blacks have moved into professions where they can make more money. I don’t think this is because academics are deluded lefties—I think most damn well we could make more money as lawyers—but because we value other things besides money.&quot;

I think this variation might be true too.  My prescription for affirmative action hiring in either case is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But it seems to me correct that blacks have moved into professions where they can make more money. I don&#8217;t think this is because academics are deluded lefties&#8212;I think most damn well we could make more money as lawyers&#8212;but because we value other things besides money.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I think this variation might be true too.  My prescription for affirmative action hiring in either case is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146458</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miadhc seems to me wrong about one thing and right about another. There can be over 100 candidates for a job at non-elite schools, true, but that doesn&#039;t mean that there are never bidding wars; at least, it doesn&#039;t mean that there is no incentive to try to get good candidates that won&#039;t get offers from other schools. It costs time and money to give a candidate a close look; if your most favored candidates take other jobs, you can be up the creek &lt;i&gt;even though&lt;/i&gt; there are other applicants who are almost as good, because you can&#039;t go back and interview those other candidates. So the &quot;Moneyball&quot; approach could still make sense, if you could pull it off (as per the second paragraph of my 9).

But it seems to me correct that conservatives have moved into professions where they can make more money. I don&#039;t think this is because academics are deluded lefties -- I think most damn well we could make more money as lawyers -- but because we value other things besides money. And do you know what that means? &lt;i&gt;That means that there&#039;s a plausible hypothesis for why academia is liberal even if there&#039;s no discrimination against conservatives&lt;/i&gt;. So those who are tempted to kick about that awful liberal bias in hiring, provide some evidence please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>miadhc seems to me wrong about one thing and right about another. There can be over 100 candidates for a job at non-elite schools, true, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there are never bidding wars; at least, it doesn&#8217;t mean that there is no incentive to try to get good candidates that won&#8217;t get offers from other schools. It costs time and money to give a candidate a close look; if your most favored candidates take other jobs, you can be up the creek <i>even though</i> there are other applicants who are almost as good, because you can&#8217;t go back and interview those other candidates. So the &#8220;Moneyball&#8221; approach could still make sense, if you could pull it off (as per the second paragraph of my 9).</p>

	<p>But it seems to me correct that conservatives have moved into professions where they can make more money. I don&#8217;t think this is because academics are deluded lefties&#8212;I think most damn well we could make more money as lawyers&#8212;but because we value other things besides money. And do you know what that means? <i>That means that there&#8217;s a plausible hypothesis for why academia is liberal even if there&#8217;s no discrimination against conservatives</i>. So those who are tempted to kick about that awful liberal bias in hiring, provide some evidence please.</p>
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		<title>By: BigMacAttack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146457</link>
		<dc:creator>BigMacAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tad Brennan,

LMAO?  Classroom?  It never even entered my mind.  I meant in general.  And I meant it as a compliment.  

But if you were a sociologist or history or anthropology or law or economics or literature professor basic political assumptions might very well be part of the discussion and it is easy to see how having the wrong set of assumptions might impact students.

Jerky?  No.  I really didn&#039;t care. Personally I liked Professor Markowitz.  He didn&#039;t seem that dangerous to me.  More short and maybe not in the best shape and this was years ago.  But what do I know?  Maybe he is dangerous.  Well he never hurt me or was jerky.  I guess I was lucky.  Whew!

I thought Leiter&#039;s essay on the topic was very well done and right on target. Suck it up whiny conservatives, pull your selves up by your boot straps and overcome.  But it really cuts both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tad Brennan,</p>

	<p><span class="caps">LMAO</span>?  Classroom?  It never even entered my mind.  I meant in general.  And I meant it as a compliment.</p>

	<p>But if you were a sociologist or history or anthropology or law or economics or literature professor basic political assumptions might very well be part of the discussion and it is easy to see how having the wrong set of assumptions might impact students.</p>

	<p>Jerky?  No.  I really didn&#8217;t care. Personally I liked Professor Markowitz.  He didn&#8217;t seem that dangerous to me.  More short and maybe not in the best shape and this was years ago.  But what do I know?  Maybe he is dangerous.  Well he never hurt me or was jerky.  I guess I was lucky.  Whew!</p>

	<p>I thought Leiter&#8217;s essay on the topic was very well done and right on target. Suck it up whiny conservatives, pull your selves up by your boot straps and overcome.  But it really cuts both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Korner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146446</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Korner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thread is WAY to kind to a clever but utterly uninformatiuve analogy between baseball and law schools.  

The discussion is a lot like the current Becker-Posner discussion of how universities are and are not (should/should not be) analogous to corporations.  The original analogy is shameless rhetoric, the discussants tearing it apart is revealing, but ultimately the whole conversation lends too much intellectual legitimacy to unimpressive rhetoric.  
  
How&#039;s that for stating an opinion without argument!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This whole thread is <span class="caps">WAY</span> to kind to a clever but utterly uninformatiuve analogy between baseball and law schools.</p>

	<p>The discussion is a lot like the current Becker-Posner discussion of how universities are and are not (should/should not be) analogous to corporations.  The original analogy is shameless rhetoric, the discussants tearing it apart is revealing, but ultimately the whole conversation lends too much intellectual legitimacy to unimpressive rhetoric.</p>

	<p>How&#8217;s that for stating an opinion without argument!?</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was struck by the notion that the best students (as measured by LSAT, ahem) would naturally gravitate toward schools with professors who had administration connections and could get them into line for power jobs. This seems wrong to me for a number of reasons -- the two main ones are that it makes unwarranted assumptions about the kind of &quot;power jobs&quot; that these ostensibly best students will want (especially since you&#039;re not going to make as much money as in the private sector), and it underestimates the arrogance of the best law-school candidates. The &quot;best&quot; students will believe that they can get a job they want based on personal star quality; it will be the second-best students who understand that their way to the top involves hitching their wagon to a partisan hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I was struck by the notion that the best students (as measured by <span class="caps">LSAT</span>, ahem) would naturally gravitate toward schools with professors who had administration connections and could get them into line for power jobs. This seems wrong to me for a number of reasons&#8212;the two main ones are that it makes unwarranted assumptions about the kind of &#8220;power jobs&#8221; that these ostensibly best students will want (especially since you&#8217;re not going to make as much money as in the private sector), and it underestimates the arrogance of the best law-school candidates. The &#8220;best&#8221; students will believe that they can get a job they want based on personal star quality; it will be the second-best students who understand that their way to the top involves hitching their wagon to a partisan hack.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146388</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think here&#039;s how it went: &quot;hmmm, let&#039;s see, studied under Bloom, worked with Kenneth Starr, yep,this poor baby is one of us, and he has been persecuted.&quot; More of this sort of hiring goes on at GMU because GMU believes that the poor little babies have been persecuted elsewhere.

It&#039;s also what Chis Uggen said -- beauty contest rankings aren&#039;t very effective at identifying what we think we mean when we talk about research potential, but they do mean a lot for departments looking to improve in the ratings. Which leads to the PR game of announcing &quot;look at the overlooked value we&#039;ve found!, followed by the internalization of the ideas underwriting the PR, followed by the necessary justification of law and economics as good, solid, persecuted work. I guess that is Bordieu, without a rueful shrug to gallicize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think here&#8217;s how it went: &#8220;hmmm, let&#8217;s see, studied under Bloom, worked with Kenneth Starr, yep,this poor baby is one of us, and he has been persecuted.&#8221; More of this sort of hiring goes on at <span class="caps">GMU</span> because <span class="caps">GMU</span> believes that the poor little babies have been persecuted elsewhere.</p>

	<p>It&#8217;s also what Chis Uggen said&#8212;beauty contest rankings aren&#8217;t very effective at identifying what we think we mean when we talk about research potential, but they do mean a lot for departments looking to improve in the ratings. Which leads to the PR game of announcing &#8220;look at the overlooked value we&#8217;ve found!, followed by the internalization of the ideas underwriting the PR, followed by the necessary justification of law and economics as good, solid, persecuted work. I guess that is Bordieu, without a rueful shrug to gallicize.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting post. I think it could apply in other fields, just using different criteria than political orientation. Take physics--you could argue that, for a while, there was too large of a premium placed on high energy physics. So ignore that, and focus on, say, solid state physics. And, contra the &quot;all lefthanded relievers&quot; point above, in science there is real value in becoming seen as a top school in a specific area. And that can then be a seed to build the rest of the department around.

A few contrary points. The big one is raised in the initial post--that perception of departments is in large part built on reputation and status, so in a sense it&#039;s impossible for anything to be over or undervalued. The value of a faculty memeber is what people think it is. This isn&#039;t 100% true, but is partially.

Also, stretching the baseball analogy, free agency tends to maintain the status of the top schools. If an opportunity presents itself, most top physicists will take tha chance to jump from, say, Nebraska to MIT or Caltech. So even if Nebraska is successful in finding value at the initial hire, the best faculty will leave once they&#039;ve established their reputation to the point that other offers are available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is a very interesting post. I think it could apply in other fields, just using different criteria than political orientation. Take physics&#8212;you could argue that, for a while, there was too large of a premium placed on high energy physics. So ignore that, and focus on, say, solid state physics. And, contra the &#8220;all lefthanded relievers&#8221; point above, in science there is real value in becoming seen as a top school in a specific area. And that can then be a seed to build the rest of the department around.</p>

	<p>A few contrary points. The big one is raised in the initial post&#8212;that perception of departments is in large part built on reputation and status, so in a sense it&#8217;s impossible for anything to be over or undervalued. The value of a faculty memeber is what people think it is. This isn&#8217;t 100% true, but is partially.</p>

	<p>Also, stretching the baseball analogy, free agency tends to maintain the status of the top schools. If an opportunity presents itself, most top physicists will take tha chance to jump from, say, Nebraska to <span class="caps">MIT</span> or Caltech. So even if Nebraska is successful in finding value at the initial hire, the best faculty will leave once they&#8217;ve established their reputation to the point that other offers are available.</p>
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		<title>By: y81</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tad brennan, learning irregular verbs is for freshmen.  Based on my own college experience, I would be amazed if any classics (or physics, or econ) major didn&#039;t know the political leanings of the senior professors in the department.  These are the people who teach most of the high level seminars that majors take.  Although most classes don&#039;t feature extensive political discussion, in most seminars that I took: (i) the professor, over the course of the semester, let his political views be known and (ii) the students, being good little suckups, didn&#039;t argue.  (E.g., the ancient history professor who joked that B.C.E. stands for &quot;Before the Common Error.&quot;  I certainly didn&#039;t challenge him.)  I don&#039;t say that this is an outrage, but it is certainly a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>tad brennan, learning irregular verbs is for freshmen.  Based on my own college experience, I would be amazed if any classics (or physics, or econ) major didn&#8217;t know the political leanings of the senior professors in the department.  These are the people who teach most of the high level seminars that majors take.  Although most classes don&#8217;t feature extensive political discussion, in most seminars that I took: (i) the professor, over the course of the semester, let his political views be known and (ii) the students, being good little suckups, didn&#8217;t argue.  (E.g., the ancient history professor who joked that B.C.E. stands for &#8220;Before the Common Error.&#8221;  I certainly didn&#8217;t challenge him.)  I don&#8217;t say that this is an outrage, but it is certainly a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: rea</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/01/academic-moneyball/comment-page-1/#comment-146364</link>
		<dc:creator>rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Law Schools still do not require the PhD as a credential for teaching&quot;

Well, they generally require a JD degree, and the &quot;D&quot; in &quot;JD&quot; stands for &quot;doctor,&quot; although in practice we don&#039;t usually call ourselves &quot;doctors&quot; unless we&#039;re trying to get restaurant reservations.  See several posts down . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Law Schools still do not require the PhD as a credential for teaching&#8221;</p>

	<p>Well, they generally require a JD degree, and the &#8220;D&#8221; in &#8220;JD&#8221; stands for &#8220;doctor,&#8221; although in practice we don&#8217;t usually call ourselves &#8220;doctors&#8221; unless we&#8217;re trying to get restaurant reservations.  See several posts down . . .</p>
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		<title>By: chris uggen</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris uggen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post! i think the &lt;i&gt;moneyball&lt;/i&gt; strategy of searching for the &quot;fat catcher with a good on-base-percentage&quot; can work in academia, but only in a limited sense. as long as nrc rankings are reputation-driven, it doesn&#039;t matter if &quot;we&#039;re actually better than we look,&quot; because reputation equals winning. that said, we can be creative about seeking undervalued assets. if senior female scholars, for example, are undervalued relative to senior male scholars, the savvy department would pursue the former. similarly, if one&#039;s department can add value to the undervalued work of an individual scholar (e.g., through publicity or institutional connections), then ferreting out the undervalued could be a great strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>great post! i think the <i>moneyball</i> strategy of searching for the &#8220;fat catcher with a good on-base-percentage&#8221; can work in academia, but only in a limited sense. as long as nrc rankings are reputation-driven, it doesn&#8217;t matter if &#8220;we&#8217;re actually better than we look,&#8221; because reputation equals winning. that said, we can be creative about seeking undervalued assets. if senior female scholars, for example, are undervalued relative to senior male scholars, the savvy department would pursue the former. similarly, if one&#8217;s department can add value to the undervalued work of an individual scholar (e.g., through publicity or institutional connections), then ferreting out the undervalued could be a great strategy.</p>
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