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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: Robin Green</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/02/a-boring-post-on-codes-of-conduct/comment-page-1/#comment-146484</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, a 100% acquittal rate, as in a certain other two-letter country, is hardly ideal either.&lt;/i&gt;

That probably has something to do with the fact that both Labour and its Tory predecessors in government, had to seriously worry about being electorally hobbled, if not defeated, by a whiff of sleaze (it was partly years of sleaze which brought down the Tories in 1997). Our pro-government media machine does exist, but it&#039;s relatively small and ineffective compared to the pro-government forces in the US media and &quot;think tanks&quot;. So voters actually take these things into consideration.

Whereas in the US, it seems that Bush can be caught red-handed doing nothing about Hurricane Katrina for days, caught red handed lying about his own intentions in the State of the Union Address (although people who only watch Fox News will probably never hear about the latter or will rationalise it away if they do hear about it), can repeatedly be shown up as a liar who took the country to war on false pretences on Iraq, on 9/11, etc. etc. etc. and he will still get a solid 25-30% of the electorate supporting him. The type of people who blather on about how they believe Bush is keeping the country safe or how he&#039;s a strong leader, without any evidenciary basis for these assertions whatsoever, and whose real reason for voting for him is &quot;He&#039;s not a Democract and I hate Democrats&quot;.

He could probably urinate on the Constitution on live TV (he&#039;s been doing that figuratively for some time, anyway) and still get a large chunk of the hick vote, if term limits were abolished and he was up for reelection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Of course, a 100% acquittal rate, as in a certain other two-letter country, is hardly ideal either.</i></p>

	<p>That probably has something to do with the fact that both Labour and its Tory predecessors in government, had to seriously worry about being electorally hobbled, if not defeated, by a whiff of sleaze (it was partly years of sleaze which brought down the Tories in 1997). Our pro-government media machine does exist, but it&#8217;s relatively small and ineffective compared to the pro-government forces in the US media and &#8220;think tanks&#8221;. So voters actually take these things into consideration.</p>

	<p>Whereas in the US, it seems that Bush can be caught red-handed doing nothing about Hurricane Katrina for days, caught red handed lying about his own intentions in the State of the Union Address (although people who only watch Fox News will probably never hear about the latter or will rationalise it away if they do hear about it), can repeatedly be shown up as a liar who took the country to war on false pretences on Iraq, on 9/11, etc. etc. etc. and he will still get a solid 25-30% of the electorate supporting him. The type of people who blather on about how they believe Bush is keeping the country safe or how he&#8217;s a strong leader, without any evidenciary basis for these assertions whatsoever, and whose real reason for voting for him is &#8220;He&#8217;s not a Democract and I hate Democrats&#8221;.</p>

	<p>He could probably urinate on the Constitution on live <span class="caps">TV </span>(he&#8217;s been doing that figuratively for some time, anyway) and still get a large chunk of the hick vote, if term limits were abolished and he was up for reelection.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, that&#039;s to be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/propriety_and_ethics/ministers/ministers_travel.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sorry, that&#8217;s to be found <a href="http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/propriety_and_ethics/ministers/ministers_travel.asp" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chris, this stuff is absolutely priceless:

&quot;4. Ministers of State and Parliamentary Under Secretaries of State will be given by the GCS the choice of a Rover 45, Ford Mondeo, Vauxhall Vectra or Nissan Primera with an engine capacity in the 1.8 to 2.0 litre category, with a comfortable but not extravagant level of fit, for their allocated use.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Chris, this stuff is absolutely priceless:</p>

	<p>&#8220;4. Ministers of State and Parliamentary Under Secretaries of State will be given by the <span class="caps">GCS</span> the choice of a Rover 45, Ford Mondeo, Vauxhall Vectra or Nissan Primera with an engine capacity in the 1.8 to 2.0 litre category, with a comfortable but not extravagant level of fit, for their allocated use.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;MPs of all stripes were yesterday shamelessly wheeling out “innocent until proven guilty” as a criticism of press coverage of the Berlusconi/Mills/Jowell affair.&lt;/i&gt;

I have to admit to being a bit suspicious of any &#039;court&#039; that has a 100% conviction rate. Is there an example of a UK minister, post-Thatcher, becoming the focus of press attention and remaining in office? 

Having the careers of the people who run government made entirely dependant on the whims of the editors who write &#039;execute all paedos now&#039; headlines is not exactly the kind of feature you would design into a consitution.

Of course, a 100% acquittal rate, as in a certain other two-letter country, is hardly ideal either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>MPs of all stripes were yesterday shamelessly wheeling out &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; as a criticism of press coverage of the Berlusconi/Mills/Jowell affair.</i></p>

	<p>I have to admit to being a bit suspicious of any &#8216;court&#8217; that has a 100% conviction rate. Is there an example of a UK minister, post-Thatcher, becoming the focus of press attention and remaining in office?</p>

	<p>Having the careers of the people who run government made entirely dependant on the whims of the editors who write &#8216;execute all paedos now&#8217; headlines is not exactly the kind of feature you would design into a consitution.</p>

	<p>Of course, a 100% acquittal rate, as in a certain other two-letter country, is hardly ideal either.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/26/nmills226.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Telegraph&lt;/a&gt; has more detail on the Iranian thing too:
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The closest Ms Jowell came to being implicated was when it emerged in 2003 that Mr Mills, as the representative of an Iranian trading company, used a dinner party to ask the then foreign trade minister for advice on a &#163;125 million deal to sell British Aerospace passenger jets to Iran. Baroness Symons duly wrote warning him to &quot;tread very carefully&quot;.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s a noticeably different, and to me more plausible, emphasis than in tehgrauniad&#039;s version.
And I&#039;m sure Chris, and many other footie fans, would like to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessa_Jowell&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport&lt;/a&gt; asked if she expects to still be in the government when Wembly Stadium is finished. If it ever is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/26/nmills226.xml" rel="nofollow">Telegraph</a> has more detail on the Iranian thing too:<br />
<blockquote><br />
The closest Ms Jowell came to being implicated was when it emerged in 2003 that Mr Mills, as the representative of an Iranian trading company, used a dinner party to ask the then foreign trade minister for advice on a &pound;125 million deal to sell British Aerospace passenger jets to Iran. Baroness Symons duly wrote warning him to &#8220;tread very carefully&#8221;.<br />
</blockquote><br />
There&#8217;s a noticeably different, and to me more plausible, emphasis than in tehgrauniad&#8217;s version.<br />
And I&#8217;m sure Chris, and many other footie fans, would like to see the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessa_Jowell" rel="nofollow">Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport</a> asked if she expects to still be in the government when Wembly Stadium is finished. If it ever is.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey.  I&#039;ve been wondering about going on my local Parish Council to do my civic bit for my village, but having just looked at the model code of conduct for parish councils, they can whistle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blimey.  I&#8217;ve been wondering about going on my local Parish Council to do my civic bit for my village, but having just looked at the model code of conduct for parish councils, they can whistle.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tehgrauniad profile is interesting, but not complete. It mentions Mills&#039; involvement with Benetton, but forgets &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/230807.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this gem&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Controversy surrounding the exemption was quickly followed by revelations Tony Blair had met a deputation from Formula One, including chief executive Bernie Ecclestone, before the decision.
It also emerged Mr Ecclestone had made a pre-election donation to the Labour Party of &#163;1m, which was returned along with a second donation to avoid accusations they had prompted a change in policy.
Further controversy surrounded the revelation that Tessa Jowell&#039;s husband, David Mills, was a former director of Benetton, a chief racing sponsor.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
At the time, Ms Jowell was Minister for Health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>tehgrauniad profile is interesting, but not complete. It mentions Mills&#8217; involvement with Benetton, but forgets <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/230807.stm" rel="nofollow">this gem</a>:<br />
<blockquote>Controversy surrounding the exemption was quickly followed by revelations Tony Blair had met a deputation from Formula One, including chief executive Bernie Ecclestone, before the decision.<br />
It also emerged Mr Ecclestone had made a pre-election donation to the Labour Party of &pound;1m, which was returned along with a second donation to avoid accusations they had prompted a change in policy.<br />
Further controversy surrounded the revelation that Tessa Jowell&#8217;s husband, David Mills, was a former director of Benetton, a chief racing sponsor.<br />
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At the time, Ms Jowell was Minister for Health.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Milvain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper Milvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That seems true - although higher tiers of local government still have powers worth corrupting. I&#039;m glad the tougher rules apply to planning committees, for instance.

By the way, you could be missing a word from the end of your fourth sentence: &quot;...a decision that someone else in the parish.&quot; A decision that someone else in the parish makes?

[should have been &quot;than&quot;. fixed now. thanks. CB]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That seems true &#8211; although higher tiers of local government still have powers worth corrupting. I&#8217;m glad the tougher rules apply to planning committees, for instance.</p>

	<p>By the way, you could be missing a word from the end of your fourth sentence: &#8220;&#8230;a decision that someone else in the parish.&#8221; A decision that someone else in the parish makes?</p>

	<p>[should have been &#8220;than&#8221;. fixed now. thanks. CB]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPs of all stripes were yesterday shamelessly wheeling out &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; as a criticism of press coverage of the Berlusconi/Mills/Jowell affair. 

Presumably the newspapers should just have detained them in their homes on the basis of received intelligence. If such behaviour is perfectly legitimate that would explain why Ken&#039;s remarks were deemed so egregiously offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>MPs of all stripes were yesterday shamelessly wheeling out &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; as a criticism of press coverage of the Berlusconi/Mills/Jowell affair.</p>

	<p>Presumably the newspapers should just have detained them in their homes on the basis of received intelligence. If such behaviour is perfectly legitimate that would explain why Ken&#8217;s remarks were deemed so egregiously offensive.</p>
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