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		<title>By: tps12</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146948</link>
		<dc:creator>tps12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You are rude and selfish and a miserable excuse of a cinema goer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;How is tolerating a little noise during a movie selfish? What&#039;s selfish is asking a group of people (the US moviegoing public) to modify standard theater behavior to better accomodate the requirements of someone who doesn&#039;t even like going to the movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>You are rude and selfish and a miserable excuse of a cinema goer.</blockquote>How is tolerating a little noise during a movie selfish? What&#8217;s selfish is asking a group of people (the US moviegoing public) to modify standard theater behavior to better accomodate the requirements of someone who doesn&#8217;t even like going to the movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara W. Klaser</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146917</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara W. Klaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never had a problem with people talking over the movie in a theater, but I came out of Jurassic Park with my ears ringing and my hearing seriously impaired for a few hours because the theater had the volume too high. I&#039;ve mostly avoided movie theaters since, even though I agree you get more out of viewing movies on the big screen. 

But at home I have control over the volume---I intend to still be able to hear when I&#039;m sixty. I also control restroom cleanliness and security, at home, and have a pause button for when I need a break.

There are advantages to both. But the older I get the better I like home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I never had a problem with people talking over the movie in a theater, but I came out of Jurassic Park with my ears ringing and my hearing seriously impaired for a few hours because the theater had the volume too high. I&#8217;ve mostly avoided movie theaters since, even though I agree you get more out of viewing movies on the big screen.</p>

	<p>But at home I have control over the volume&#8212;-I intend to still be able to hear when I&#8217;m sixty. I also control restroom cleanliness and security, at home, and have a pause button for when I need a break.</p>

	<p>There are advantages to both. But the older I get the better I like home.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146844</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick nailed it.
 
My objection to cinemas? They smell. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nick nailed it.</p>

	<p>My objection to cinemas? They smell. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146829</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t understand how it helps to make this argument in a situation where most of the people watching your clips are viewing them through their TV sets at home.&lt;/i&gt;

Heck, the biggest irony is that most of the Academy&#039;s &lt;i&gt;voters&lt;/i&gt; watched the nominees on DVD at home. 

Perhaps they did it in the comfort of their own screening rooms, but the fact that awards season is the best time of the year for, um, illicit digital copies of films still showing in the cinema is because the studios loan out &#039;screener&#039; DVDs &#039;for your consideration&#039;. You think that the Hollywood types who choose the Oscar-winners actually queue up and pay their $10 for a ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I don&#8217;t understand how it helps to make this argument in a situation where most of the people watching your clips are viewing them through their TV sets at home.</i></p>

	<p>Heck, the biggest irony is that most of the Academy&#8217;s <i>voters</i> watched the nominees on <span class="caps">DVD</span> at home.</p>

	<p>Perhaps they did it in the comfort of their own screening rooms, but the fact that awards season is the best time of the year for, um, illicit digital copies of films still showing in the cinema is because the studios loan out &#8216;screener&#8217; DVDs &#8216;for your consideration&#8217;. You think that the Hollywood types who choose the Oscar-winners actually queue up and pay their $10 for a ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146819</link>
		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; To those scolds who long to impose the silence and solitude of home viewing on the public cinema, I say: please, do stay home.&quot;

No please *you* stay home.  You are rude and selfish and a miserable excuse of a cinema goer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8221; To those scolds who long to impose the silence and solitude of home viewing on the public cinema, I say: please, do stay home.&#8221;</p>

	<p>No please <strong>you</strong> stay home.  You are rude and selfish and a miserable excuse of a cinema goer.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146815</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotfuturemanifesto.blogspot.com/2006/03/big-screen-vs-little.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blogged on this earlier&lt;/a&gt;
Without repeating the post in full, the anti-dvd line at the oscars struck me as crass and counter-productive. You don&#039;t mention the opposition at your big event. It makes you look cheap and scared.
The actors, studios and pretty much everyone involved in making the films have a big interest in DVDs. The people who have a problem are the intermediaries, the promotors, distributors and so on. DVDs are a different value chain and different people get a cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I <a href="http://dotfuturemanifesto.blogspot.com/2006/03/big-screen-vs-little.html" rel="nofollow">blogged on this earlier</a><br />
Without repeating the post in full, the anti-dvd line at the oscars struck me as crass and counter-productive. You don&#8217;t mention the opposition at your big event. It makes you look cheap and scared.<br />
The actors, studios and pretty much everyone involved in making the films have a big interest in DVDs. The people who have a problem are the intermediaries, the promotors, distributors and so on. DVDs are a different value chain and different people get a cut.</p>
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		<title>By: lalala</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146796</link>
		<dc:creator>lalala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12 - I don&#039;t mind laughter at inappropriate moments.  I don&#039;t mind laughter at appropriate moments.  Or gasps or groans.  These are, as you say, &quot;part and parcel of being part of an audience taking in the film.&quot;  The jackass (almost always old enough to qualify for a senior citizen discount, for some reason) sitting behind me doing a play-by-play of the most obvious parts of the movie (&quot;there&#039;s someone in the shadows!&quot;)?  He&#039;s just a jackass, and if he wants to freely exercise his lackluster intelligence in recapping as he watches, he should do so at home.

(Speaking as someone who goes to the theater a lot, but usually on, like, wednesday night at 10:00, and will if necessary change seats 5 times to get one as far as possible from neighbors, and yet who counts as some of my best moviegoing experiences my college&#039;s film series, where you could count on a big audience responding freely to the movie with laughter and the like but without moronic commentary.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#12 &#8211; I don&#8217;t mind laughter at inappropriate moments.  I don&#8217;t mind laughter at appropriate moments.  Or gasps or groans.  These are, as you say, &#8220;part and parcel of being part of an audience taking in the film.&#8221;  The jackass (almost always old enough to qualify for a senior citizen discount, for some reason) sitting behind me doing a play-by-play of the most obvious parts of the movie (&#8220;there&#8217;s someone in the shadows!&#8221;)?  He&#8217;s just a jackass, and if he wants to freely exercise his lackluster intelligence in recapping as he watches, he should do so at home.</p>

	<p>(Speaking as someone who goes to the theater a lot, but usually on, like, wednesday night at 10:00, and will if necessary change seats 5 times to get one as far as possible from neighbors, and yet who counts as some of my best moviegoing experiences my college&#8217;s film series, where you could count on a big audience responding freely to the movie with laughter and the like but without moronic commentary.)</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146794</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, they need a new business model.  Try this - &quot;mini theatres&quot; run on a franchise.  Set them up as drive-ins in parking lots or in vacant shops with portable seating - a DVD projector and temporary screen will do.  At least one in every mall - even small malls.  Or every video rental store could have a little one - attendees could vote on what they wanted to watch that night.

Capital and staff costs will be way, way low.  Even if this approach is no substitute for the big complexes for blockbusters, its a great solution for the dying arthouse and repertory cinemas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, they need a new business model.  Try this &#8211; &#8220;mini theatres&#8221; run on a franchise.  Set them up as drive-ins in parking lots or in vacant shops with portable seating &#8211; a <span class="caps">DVD</span> projector and temporary screen will do.  At least one in every mall &#8211; even small malls.  Or every video rental store could have a little one &#8211; attendees could vote on what they wanted to watch that night.</p>

	<p>Capital and staff costs will be way, way low.  Even if this approach is no substitute for the big complexes for blockbusters, its a great solution for the dying arthouse and repertory cinemas.</p>
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		<title>By: winna</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146791</link>
		<dc:creator>winna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My previous comment was for tps12.</description>
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		<title>By: winna</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146790</link>
		<dc:creator>winna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If listening to a howling toddler and some woman babbling about what is happening on screen to her neighbor is part of the &#039;movie experience&#039; then you don&#039;t have to worry- I won&#039;t be there.

And when enough people are sick of the fabulous experience of having their outing ruined by inconsiderate strangers and most of the theaters shut down for lack of demand, you won&#039;t be there, either. Which makes me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If listening to a howling toddler and some woman babbling about what is happening on screen to her neighbor is part of the &#8216;movie experience&#8217; then you don&#8217;t have to worry- I won&#8217;t be there.</p>

	<p>And when enough people are sick of the fabulous experience of having their outing ruined by inconsiderate strangers and most of the theaters shut down for lack of demand, you won&#8217;t be there, either. Which makes me laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146776</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing we&#039;re showing our age.  I don&#039;t go to the movies, but, then, I have small children, and who wants to pay $50 to go to the movies (babysitting, tickets, concessions, etc.)? 

But, from what I see, teenagers still love the movies.  Because they go out to the movies, and their parents don&#039;t come along. 

The local art-house chain has taken to opening shops in abandoned multi-plexes in the suburbs.  The parking lots are filled with white Buicks, and, when the interruption comes, it&#039;s more likely to come from one part of a couple trying to whisper loudly enough to the other to be heard over the movie and through a hearing aid.  But they seem to be doing well enough with that crowd, which, when they don&#039;t have to meet with the teenagers (and the cell phones, etc., described in detail above), still likes to go to the movies on Saturday night. 

Maybe, someday, I&#039;ll be there as well.  Until then, bigger and better at home.  There&#039;s even talk of a projection TV, with the hopes that the kids will want to have their friends at our place for a show.  (Well, if it doesn&#039;t work out--and it probably won&#039;t, because the reason I&#039;d like them at home is the reason they&#039;ll want to leave--I suppose I&#039;ll suffer through...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m guessing we&#8217;re showing our age.  I don&#8217;t go to the movies, but, then, I have small children, and who wants to pay $50 to go to the movies (babysitting, tickets, concessions, etc.)?</p>

	<p>But, from what I see, teenagers still love the movies.  Because they go out to the movies, and their parents don&#8217;t come along.</p>

	<p>The local art-house chain has taken to opening shops in abandoned multi-plexes in the suburbs.  The parking lots are filled with white Buicks, and, when the interruption comes, it&#8217;s more likely to come from one part of a couple trying to whisper loudly enough to the other to be heard over the movie and through a hearing aid.  But they seem to be doing well enough with that crowd, which, when they don&#8217;t have to meet with the teenagers (and the cell phones, etc., described in detail above), still likes to go to the movies on Saturday night.</p>

	<p>Maybe, someday, I&#8217;ll be there as well.  Until then, bigger and better at home.  There&#8217;s even talk of a projection TV, with the hopes that the kids will want to have their friends at our place for a show.  (Well, if it doesn&#8217;t work out&#8212;and it probably won&#8217;t, because the reason I&#8217;d like them at home is the reason they&#8217;ll want to leave&#8212;I suppose I&#8217;ll suffer through&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: me2i81</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146770</link>
		<dc:creator>me2i81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nobody would go to a concert hall to hear recorded music played back through professional audio equipment—well, we’ve reached the point where the same logic applies to video as well as audio.&lt;/i&gt;

Not unless the music was Pink Floyd, and there were lasers.

&lt;i&gt;but one thing not touched on… the joy of going out for beers w/pals afterwards and talking about (trashing?) the film.&lt;/i&gt;
The home experience can be better--go to a friend&#039;s house, watch the movie while drinking some beer, and trash the movie while drinking the rest of the beer without having to go anywhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Nobody would go to a concert hall to hear recorded music played back through professional audio equipment&#8212;well, we&#8217;ve reached the point where the same logic applies to video as well as audio.</i></p>

	<p>Not unless the music was Pink Floyd, and there were lasers.</p>

	<p><i>but one thing not touched on&#8230; the joy of going out for beers w/pals afterwards and talking about (trashing?) the film.</i><br />
The home experience can be better&#8212;go to a friend&#8217;s house, watch the movie while drinking some beer, and trash the movie while drinking the rest of the beer without having to go anywhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Delicioius Pundit</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/06/the-big-screen/comment-page-1/#comment-146769</link>
		<dc:creator>Delicioius Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DVDs are so important to studios, in fact, that in the last round of guild negotiations they were willing to make concessions &lt;i&gt;on health care&lt;/i&gt; rather than increase the (very low) residual percentage they pay on units sold.

As to the future of theaters, sometimes I can&#039;t help thinking about how the economics of the business killed the big bands, how the experience of leaving your home to go see live vaudeville was also irreplaceable, etc.  That&#039;s show biz.  

Maybe if they brought back newsreels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>DVDs are so important to studios, in fact, that in the last round of guild negotiations they were willing to make concessions <i>on health care</i> rather than increase the (very low) residual percentage they pay on units sold.</p>

	<p>As to the future of theaters, sometimes I can&#8217;t help thinking about how the economics of the business killed the big bands, how the experience of leaving your home to go see live vaudeville was also irreplaceable, etc.  That&#8217;s show biz.</p>

	<p>Maybe if they brought back newsreels.</p>
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		<title>By: joel turnipseed</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel turnipseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must say, there&#039;s pretty good agreement here by all--but one thing &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; touched on... the joy of going out for beers w/pals afterwards and talking about (trashing?) the film. It&#039;s true the &quot;social&quot; experience of taking in a film that&#039;s projected poorly onto a small-ish screen is no substitute for the HDTV and Surround-Sound in my library (and, really, with a kid it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;way&lt;/em&gt; less expensive to buy a DVD--even Criterion Collection at $40 is cheaper)...

So I say: let&#039;s all bombard Mark Cuban to get liquor licenses in his Landmark Chains &amp;&amp; reduce seating there by 25% &amp;&amp; serve better food &amp;&amp; build bars/restaurants next door &amp;&amp; include Museum style programming (Walker Art Center, where I am, is a good example)... and see if you can&#039;t get something like a really cool indie environment that really maximizes both the pleasure of the experience &amp; the ability of the theater to charge a premium.

As for the $100M+ megablockbuster... they&#039;re all tied up in toy endorsements, etcetera--they&#039;ll find a way to make &#039;em even w/o many movie screens.

--

BTW: What&#039;s deal with Jarecki&#039;s film doing so poorly at the box office? Anyone seen it? Haven&#039;t had a chance yet with travel, but I&#039;m stunned to see it&#039;s only done something like $600K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Must say, there&#8217;s pretty good agreement here by all&#8212;but one thing <em>not</em> touched on&#8230; the joy of going out for beers w/pals afterwards and talking about (trashing?) the film. It&#8217;s true the &#8220;social&#8221; experience of taking in a film that&#8217;s projected poorly onto a small-ish screen is no substitute for the <span class="caps">HDTV</span> and Surround-Sound in my library (and, really, with a kid it&#8217;s <em>way</em> less expensive to buy a <span class="caps">DVD</span>&#8212;even Criterion Collection at $40 is cheaper)&#8230;</p>

	<p>So I say: let&#8217;s all bombard Mark Cuban to get liquor licenses in his Landmark Chains &#038;& reduce seating there by 25% &#038;& serve better food &#038;& build bars/restaurants next door &#038;& include Museum style programming (Walker Art Center, where I am, is a good example)&#8230; and see if you can&#8217;t get something like a really cool indie environment that really maximizes both the pleasure of the experience &#038; the ability of the theater to charge a premium.</p>

	<p>As for the $100M+ megablockbuster&#8230; they&#8217;re all tied up in toy endorsements, etcetera&#8212;they&#8217;ll find a way to make &#8216;em even w/o many movie screens.<br />
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<span class="caps">BTW</span>: What&#8217;s deal with Jarecki&#8217;s film doing so poorly at the box office? Anyone seen it? Haven&#8217;t had a chance yet with travel, but I&#8217;m stunned to see it&#8217;s only done something like $600K.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In NZ, there&#039;s some new movie theatres run by some obsessive film buff in his garage with sofas and standing for God Save the Queen before the movie, and glasses of wine, which are rather popular.  

Although the movie selection tends to be electic, and probably is not a successful distribution model for Hollywood&#039;s latest blockbuster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In NZ, there&#8217;s some new movie theatres run by some obsessive film buff in his garage with sofas and standing for God Save the Queen before the movie, and glasses of wine, which are rather popular.</p>

	<p>Although the movie selection tends to be electic, and probably is not a successful distribution model for Hollywood&#8217;s latest blockbuster.</p>
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