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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hows about them efficient prediction markets?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hows about them efficient prediction markets?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned a few days ago that Paddy Power had opened a book on the race to succeed Bill Emmott as editor of the Economist, and suggested that depending on liquidity, there was a fair amount of scope for manipulating the results. I&#8217;m sorry to report that my speculations were bang on the mark. Paddy Power, the bookmaker, has been offering odds on the new editor, to replace the departing Bill Emmott. Several punters this week started to put large sums ranging up to &#163;500 on Ed Carr, the business and financial editor, at 6-1. The bookie yesterday suspended all bets, after even more tried to open accounts. Any of them e-mails with &#8220;theeconomist&#8221; somewhere in the address? &#8220;We haven&#8217;t seen anything quite that unsubtle. They&#8217;re more intelligent at The Economist. Mind you, when we ran a book on the editor of The [Daily] Mirror . . .&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] I mentioned a few days ago that Paddy Power had opened a book on the race to succeed Bill Emmott as editor of the Economist, and suggested that depending on liquidity, there was a fair amount of scope for manipulating the results. I&#8217;m sorry to report that my speculations were bang on the mark. Paddy Power, the bookmaker, has been offering odds on the new editor, to replace the departing Bill Emmott. Several punters this week started to put large sums ranging up to &#163;500 on Ed Carr, the business and financial editor, at 6-1. The bookie yesterday suspended all bets, after even more tried to open accounts. Any of them e-mails with &#8220;theeconomist&#8221; somewhere in the address? &#8220;We haven&#8217;t seen anything quite that unsubtle. They&#8217;re more intelligent at The Economist. Mind you, when we ran a book on the editor of The [Daily] Mirror . . .&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hows about them efficient prediction markets?</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/07/michael-moore-to-edit-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-147575</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Hows about them efficient prediction markets?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 02:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I mentioned a few days ago that Paddy Power had opened a book on the race to succeed Bill Emmott as editor of the Economist, and speculated that depending on liquidity, there was a fair amount of scope for manipulating the results. I&#8217;m sorry to report that my speculations were bang on the mark. Paddy Power, the bookmaker, has been offering odds on the new editor, to replace the departing Bill Emmott. Several punters this week started to put large sums ranging up to &#163;500 on Ed Carr, the business and financial editor, at 6-1. The bookie yesterday suspended all bets, after even more tried to open accounts. Any of them e-mails with &#8220;theeconomist&#8221; somewhere in the address? &#8220;We haven&#8217;t seen anything quite that unsubtle. They&#8217;re more intelligent at The Economist. Mind you, when we ran a book on the editor of The [Daily] Mirror . . .&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] I mentioned a few days ago that Paddy Power had opened a book on the race to succeed Bill Emmott as editor of the Economist, and speculated that depending on liquidity, there was a fair amount of scope for manipulating the results. I&#8217;m sorry to report that my speculations were bang on the mark. Paddy Power, the bookmaker, has been offering odds on the new editor, to replace the departing Bill Emmott. Several punters this week started to put large sums ranging up to &#163;500 on Ed Carr, the business and financial editor, at 6-1. The bookie yesterday suspended all bets, after even more tried to open accounts. Any of them e-mails with &#8220;theeconomist&#8221; somewhere in the address? &#8220;We haven&#8217;t seen anything quite that unsubtle. They&#8217;re more intelligent at The Economist. Mind you, when we ran a book on the editor of The [Daily] Mirror . . .&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/07/michael-moore-to-edit-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-147096</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the sort of libertarian who understands the need for torture, secrecy and continual war for the strength of the state ... etc.&quot;

Great dissection, barry.  But it applies to an awful lot more &quot;libertarians&quot; than Reynolds.

I can deal with crusty conservatives, with lunar leftoids, even with the odd bovver-boy fascist, but I find it really hard to tolerate these hypocrites. They just can&#039;t admit to themselves that they&#039;ve enabled a bunch of inept criminals who&#039;ve gravely damaged their country and who  should be facing a war crimes tribunal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;the sort of libertarian who understands the need for torture, secrecy and continual war for the strength of the state &#8230; etc.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Great dissection, barry.  But it applies to an awful lot more &#8220;libertarians&#8221; than Reynolds.</p>

	<p>I can deal with crusty conservatives, with lunar leftoids, even with the odd bovver-boy fascist, but I find it really hard to tolerate these hypocrites. They just can&#8217;t admit to themselves that they&#8217;ve enabled a bunch of inept criminals who&#8217;ve gravely damaged their country and who  should be facing a war crimes tribunal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/07/michael-moore-to-edit-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-147084</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Daniel!  That makes much more sense now.</description>
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		<title>By: Jacel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Moore had been Senior Editor of Mother Jones in the past, so he wouldn&#039;t be coming into the periodical business from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael Moore had been Senior Editor of Mother Jones in the past, so he wouldn&#8217;t be coming into the periodical business from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sullivan is showing signs of disenchantment; he has committed heresy against the GOP-King too often.  One interesting possibility:  Glenn &#039;Insta-BS&#039; Reynolds.  

Advantages:  proven lack of ethics, morality and honesty; 90% reliable cheerleader for the American GOP interests, with that 10% unreliability that the sophomoric think of as honesty; the sort of libertarian who *understands* the need for torture, secrecy and continual war for the strength of the state; the sort of &#039;libertarian&#039; who understands that cronyism shouldn&#039;t be discussed too much, lest it wither in the light; and finally, he&#039;s the sort of &#039;libertarian&#039; who will reliably revert back to &#039;government-power/secrecy/torture/continual war is bad&#039; the moment that a Democrat is elected president of the USA.  

In fact, once that happens I could just see him putting a banner on the Economist website, listing the number of days since OBL killed 3,000 Americans, and hasn&#039;t been killed or brought to justice.  It has that &#039;literally true, but in service to the lie&#039; attitude that&#039;s made him the premier blogger that he is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sullivan is showing signs of disenchantment; he has committed heresy against the <span class="caps">GOP</span>-King too often.  One interesting possibility:  Glenn &#8216;Insta-BS&#8217; Reynolds.</p>

	<p>Advantages:  proven lack of ethics, morality and honesty; 90% reliable cheerleader for the American <span class="caps">GOP</span> interests, with that 10% unreliability that the sophomoric think of as honesty; the sort of libertarian who <strong>understands</strong> the need for torture, secrecy and continual war for the strength of the state; the sort of &#8216;libertarian&#8217; who understands that cronyism shouldn&#8217;t be discussed too much, lest it wither in the light; and finally, he&#8217;s the sort of &#8216;libertarian&#8217; who will reliably revert back to &#8216;government-power/secrecy/torture/continual war is bad&#8217; the moment that a Democrat is elected president of the <span class="caps">USA</span>.</p>

	<p>In fact, once that happens I could just see him putting a banner on the Economist website, listing the number of days since <span class="caps">OBL</span> killed 3,000 Americans, and hasn&#8217;t been killed or brought to justice.  It has that &#8216;literally true, but in service to the lie&#8217; attitude that&#8217;s made him the premier blogger that he is today.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Villa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Villa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprised no one is putting money on Sullivan.</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By

&lt;i&gt;total expected value = (+£200×2/3 + (-£100×1/3)) = 0&lt;/i&gt;

I of course mean

&lt;i&gt;total expected value = (+£200×1/3 + (-£100×2/3)) = 0&lt;/i&gt;

It is calculation errors like these which have cemented my reputation today, unfortunately.  But the central point is that bookies like to maintain the polite fiction that they are just holding your money in escrow and the transaction is really a wager betwee two gentlemen that is settled after the race ends.  In fact once your money goes over that counter, it&#039;s gone.</description>
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	<p><i>total expected value = (+&#163;200&#215;2/3 + (-&#163;100&#215;1/3)) = 0</i></p>

	<p>I of course mean</p>

	<p><i>total expected value = (+&#163;200&#215;1/3 + (-&#163;100&#215;2/3)) = 0</i></p>

	<p>It is calculation errors like these which have cemented my reputation today, unfortunately.  But the central point is that bookies like to maintain the polite fiction that they are just holding your money in escrow and the transaction is really a wager betwee two gentlemen that is settled after the race ends.  In fact once your money goes over that counter, it&#8217;s gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 08:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny: you get your stake back when you win a bet, so 2/1 bookies&#039; odds is what you&#039;d think of as 1/3.  Look at it this way (canned response alert)

As a probabilist, you think of it as:
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paying £100 with certainty for 

{a 1/3 chance of receiving £300 and a 2/3 chance of receiving £0}

total expected value = (-£100 x 1 + £300 x 1/3) = 0&lt;/blockquote&gt;


But as a bookie, Paddy P thinks of it as having

&lt;blockquote&gt;{a 1/3 chance of winning £200 and a 2/3 chance of losing £100}

total expected value = (+£200 x 2/3 + (-£100 x 1/3)) = 0&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re thinking of it as paying the expected value of a risky payoff, Paddy&#039;s thinking of it as a zero-expected-value contract.  This of course never fails to cause confusion.

The general conversion formula is that bookies&#039; odds of X/Y is equivalent to a probability of Y/(X+Y).

So the book above is equal to 0.56 + 0.33 + 0.14 + 0.13 + 0.09 + 0.04 + 0.01 + 0.005 = 1.175 which is a more reasonable (although still somewhat rich by the standards of horse racing) 17.5% vigorish, assuming negligible probability of someone outside that field winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kenny: you get your stake back when you win a bet, so 2/1 bookies&#8217; odds is what you&#8217;d think of as 1/3.  Look at it this way (canned response alert)</p>

	<p>As a probabilist, you think of it as:<br />
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paying &#163;100 with certainty for</blockquote></p>

	<p>{a 1/3 chance of receiving &#163;300 and a 2/3 chance of receiving &#163;0}</p>

	<p>total expected value = (-&#163;100&#215;1 + &#163;300&#215;1/3) = 0</p>


	<p>But as a bookie, Paddy P thinks of it as having</p>

	<p><blockquote>{a 1/3 chance of winning &#163;200 and a 2/3 chance of losing &#163;100}</blockquote></p>

	<p>total expected value = (+&#163;200&#215;2/3 + (-&#163;100&#215;1/3)) = 0</p>

	<p>You&#8217;re thinking of it as paying the expected value of a risky payoff, Paddy&#8217;s thinking of it as a zero-expected-value contract.  This of course never fails to cause confusion.</p>

	<p>The general conversion formula is that bookies&#8217; odds of X/Y is equivalent to a probability of Y/(X+Y).</p>

	<p>So the book above is equal to 0.56 + 0.33 + 0.14 + 0.13 + 0.09 + 0.04 + 0.01 + 0.005 = 1.175 which is a more reasonable (although still somewhat rich by the standards of horse racing) 17.5% vigorish, assuming negligible probability of someone outside that field winning.</p>
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		<title>By: dave's wibblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave's wibblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Microsoft iPod&lt;/strong&gt;

Microsoft redesigns the iPod packaging (Via.)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Microsoft iPod</strong></p>

	<p>Microsoft redesigns the iPod packaging (Via.)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/07/michael-moore-to-edit-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-147014</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I misunderstanding the way the odds work because I&#039;ve only studied probability theoretically, and not actually engaged in any of these bets?  How is it possible for there to be someone with 2 to 1 odds and someone else with &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; than 2 to 1 odds?  I mean, in addition, 1/2+1/6+1/7+1/8+1/10 is already greater than 1, so even dropping the current favorite, the probabilities add to more than 1.  Unless there&#039;s some huge house take of almost 50% in all this, because their total sums to almost 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Am I misunderstanding the way the odds work because I&#8217;ve only studied probability theoretically, and not actually engaged in any of these bets?  How is it possible for there to be someone with 2 to 1 odds and someone else with <i>better</i> than 2 to 1 odds?  I mean, in addition, 1/2+1/6+1/7+1/8+1/10 is already greater than 1, so even dropping the current favorite, the probabilities add to more than 1.  Unless there&#8217;s some huge house take of almost 50% in all this, because their total sums to almost 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gowers &lt;a&gt;has popped up&lt;/a&gt; but not quite as well as Lambert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Gowers <a>has popped up</a> but not quite as well as Lambert.</p>
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		<title>By: will u.</title>
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		<dc:creator>will u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My initial thought was that you meant the Michael Moore who formerly headed the WTO...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My initial thought was that you meant the Michael Moore who formerly headed the <span class="caps">WTO</span>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. Any chance the new editor won’t turn the North American coverage over to Republican hacks? 

Some - but given Micklethwait&#039;s previous form as US editor (and his book with Woodridge), I wouldn&#039;t be confident if he gets the nod for the big job, as I&#039;ve written in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote>Any chance the new editor won&#8217;t turn the North American coverage over to Republican hacks?</blockquote>

	<p>Some &#8211; but given Micklethwait&#8217;s previous form as US editor (and his book with Woodridge), I wouldn&#8217;t be confident if he gets the nod for the big job, as I&#8217;ve written in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>surprised to see Andy Gowers not on that list, him having not popped up since being chucked out at the FT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>surprised to see Andy Gowers not on that list, him having not popped up since being chucked out at the FT.</p>
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