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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147711</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Does anyone know when the funding was stopped? (I’d guess it wasn’t). Does this mean that the mujahideen are another branch of the CIA?&#039;

The details are insanely complex, but a good book about this is &#039;Ghost Wars&#039; by Steve Coll (http://www.desijournal.com/book.asp?articleid=130)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;Does anyone know when the funding was stopped? (I&#8217;d guess it wasn&#8217;t). Does this mean that the mujahideen are another branch of the <span class="caps">CIA</span>?&#8217;</p>

	<p>The details are insanely complex, but a good book about this is &#8216;Ghost Wars&#8217; by Steve Coll (<a href="http://www.desijournal.com/book.asp?articleid=130" rel="nofollow">http://www.desijournal.com/book.asp?articleid=130</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Zephania</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147705</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wilson_%28politician%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Throughout the 1980s the Afghan mujahideen were America&#039;s surrogate soldiers in the brutal guerrilla war&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

Does anyone know when the funding was stopped?  (I&#039;d guess it wasn&#039;t).  Does this mean that the mujahideen are another branch of the CIA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wilson_%28politician%29" rel="nofollow">Throughout the 1980s the Afghan mujahideen were America&#8217;s surrogate soldiers in the brutal guerrilla war</a>&#8221;</p>

	<p>Does anyone know when the funding was stopped?  (I&#8217;d guess it wasn&#8217;t).  Does this mean that the mujahideen are another branch of the <span class="caps">CIA</span>?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147699</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would ETA want to influence the spanish election to get the PSOE elected? The PSOE set up a death squad in the 1980&#039;s that ventured into the Basque country in France to kill ETA members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why would <span class="caps">ETA</span> want to influence the spanish election to get the <span class="caps">PSOE</span> elected? The <span class="caps">PSOE</span> set up a death squad in the 1980&#8217;s that ventured into the Basque country in France to kill <span class="caps">ETA</span> members.</p>
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		<title>By: bellatrys</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147653</link>
		<dc:creator>bellatrys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a recent technothriller I read called it &quot;conservation of paranoia&quot; - the inclination to bundle up perceived threats into conspiracies.

it isn&#039;t helped when you have, eg, Laurie Myrlroie convincing and being trotted out as proof that the conservatives weren&#039;t really wrong to assume that Oklahoma City was by Arab Terrorists, because Saddam Hussein was really behind McVeigh - something I heard and thought was kind of daft from a conservatarian relative of mine years before I knew where he got it from

But then, when you start finding out that the same few score people, conservative bigwigs, all worked with each other and for the same thinktanks, that some of them are related by blood or marriage, going back generations, and that &lt;a href=&quot;http://oddlots.digitalspace.net/ARX/downloads/neoconned.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the money flow comes from the same handful of tycoons&lt;/a&gt;, some of whom are related going back to the Gilded Age when communism was &quot;the spectre haunting Europe&quot; - when all this is there not in whispers in dim bars but on their own organizational mastheads and IRS returns - you start wondering if there might not be something to it all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>a recent technothriller I read called it &#8220;conservation of paranoia&#8221; &#8211; the inclination to bundle up perceived threats into conspiracies.</p>

	<p>it isn&#8217;t helped when you have, eg, Laurie Myrlroie convincing and being trotted out as proof that the conservatives weren&#8217;t really wrong to assume that Oklahoma City was by Arab Terrorists, because Saddam Hussein was really behind McVeigh &#8211; something I heard and thought was kind of daft from a conservatarian relative of mine years before I knew where he got it from</p>

	<p>But then, when you start finding out that the same few score people, conservative bigwigs, all worked with each other and for the same thinktanks, that some of them are related by blood or marriage, going back generations, and that <a href="http://oddlots.digitalspace.net/ARX/downloads/neoconned.html" rel="nofollow">the money flow comes from the same handful of tycoons</a>, some of whom are related going back to the Gilded Age when communism was &#8220;the spectre haunting Europe&#8221; &#8211; when all this is there not in whispers in dim bars but on their own organizational mastheads and <span class="caps">IRS</span> returns &#8211; you start wondering if there might not be something to it all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zephania</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147635</link>
		<dc:creator>Zephania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best conspiracy theories are the ones that sound like utter crap until evidence appears that proves that they were correct all along.

Eg ... The CIA were using drug money to sponsor a war and effect regime change.  Utter crap &#039;til ... Ollie North.  (There were people before him who spilled the beans - McCoy from Madison - but everyone put their heads in the sand).

Gary Webb&#039;s stuff ...

Michael Meiring ... 

How about in Canada ... conspiracy theory: the CIA were conducting mind experiments on children (something like 50,000 children abused).  Fact, the 3,000 or so, survivors have been offered pitiful compensation after fighting through the courts.

The interesting part is that absurdities are believed in preference to conspiracy theories, eg, arabs in caves bringing the US to its knees.  Yeah, right.

Fascinating, yeah?

In ten years Homer Simpson will say, &quot;al CIA Duh!&quot; rather than &#039;duh&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The best conspiracy theories are the ones that sound like utter crap until evidence appears that proves that they were correct all along.</p>

	<p>Eg &#8230; The <span class="caps">CIA</span> were using drug money to sponsor a war and effect regime change.  Utter crap &#8216;til &#8230; Ollie North.  (There were people before him who spilled the beans &#8211; McCoy from Madison &#8211; but everyone put their heads in the sand).</p>

	<p>Gary Webb&#8217;s stuff &#8230;</p>

	<p>Michael Meiring &#8230;</p>

	<p>How about in Canada &#8230; conspiracy theory: the <span class="caps">CIA</span> were conducting mind experiments on children (something like 50,000 children abused).  Fact, the 3,000 or so, survivors have been offered pitiful compensation after fighting through the courts.</p>

	<p>The interesting part is that absurdities are believed in preference to conspiracy theories, eg, arabs in caves bringing the US to its knees.  Yeah, right.</p>

	<p>Fascinating, yeah?</p>

	<p>In ten years Homer Simpson will say, &#8220;al <span class="caps">CIA </span>Duh!&#8221; rather than &#8216;duh&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An international &lt;i&gt;Irish&lt;/i&gt; conspiracy? I dunno... I think you&#039;re going to have trouble pitching that one, even to the lunatic fringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>An international <i>Irish</i> conspiracy? I dunno&#8230; I think you&#8217;re going to have trouble pitching that one, even to the lunatic fringe.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147611</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...conversely, they are all anti-semites and their grandmother&#039;s last name was Murphy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8230;conversely, they are all anti-semites and their grandmother&#8217;s last name was Murphy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/11/conspiracy-theories/comment-page-1/#comment-147604</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abb1 - Are you absolutely sure you have the correct name there? Could there have been a typo? I asked because of this item in today&#039;s headline news in Britain:

&quot;Britain&#039;s top policeman is being urged to explain why he secretly taped a phone call with the attorney general. Metropolitan police chief Sir Ian Blair [no relation to Tony Blair] recorded the conversation with Lord Goldsmith last September without him knowing, it has emerged. . . &quot;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4800172.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1 &#8211; Are you absolutely sure you have the correct name there? Could there have been a typo? I asked because of this item in today&#8217;s headline news in Britain:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Britain&#8217;s top policeman is being urged to explain why he secretly taped a phone call with the attorney general. Metropolitan police chief Sir Ian Blair [no relation to Tony Blair] recorded the conversation with Lord Goldsmith last September without him knowing, it has emerged. . . &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4800172.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4800172.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I stand corrected. They&#039;re all masons and their granfather&#039;s last name is Goldstein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re right, I stand corrected. They&#8217;re all masons and their granfather&#8217;s last name is Goldstein.</p>
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		<title>By: radek</title>
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		<dc:creator>radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A good kooky conspiracy theory has one well-defined very specific villain: bankers, islamists, terrorists, neocons, commies…&quot;


No, no, no. A good conspiracy theory knows that they&#039;re all in it together. The Vatican, the masons, the Jews, the John Birchers, and the phone company. A good conspiracy theory will explain to you the subtle connections that you have missed. It can explain such disparate phenomenon as the Kennedy Assasination, why the Pope is Catholic and the mysterious explosion over lake Baikal in 1908.

I mean, only one villain? And you call that paranoia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;A good kooky conspiracy theory has one well-defined very specific villain: bankers, islamists, terrorists, neocons, commies&#8230;&#8221;</p>


	<p>No, no, no. A good conspiracy theory knows that they&#8217;re all in it together. The Vatican, the masons, the Jews, the John Birchers, and the phone company. A good conspiracy theory will explain to you the subtle connections that you have missed. It can explain such disparate phenomenon as the Kennedy Assasination, why the Pope is Catholic and the mysterious explosion over lake Baikal in 1908.</p>

	<p>I mean, only one villain? And you call that paranoia?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abb1: &quot;A good kooky conspiracy theory has one well-defined very specific villain: bankers, islamists, terrorists, neocons, commies…&quot;

A banker perhaps but no Commies, Islamicists or Neocons in this one and the banker wasn&#039;t the villain, at least not the main one:

&quot;Detectives in London have officially concluded that Italian banker Roberto Calvi was murdered in the city in 1982. Known as &#039;God&#039;s banker&#039; because of ties to the Vatican, Mr Calvi was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge but the death was first treated as suicide. Four people were charged with murder by the Italian authorities last month. . . &quot;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4566709.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1: &#8220;A good kooky conspiracy theory has one well-defined very specific villain: bankers, islamists, terrorists, neocons, commies&#8230;&#8221;</p>

	<p>A banker perhaps but no Commies, Islamicists or Neocons in this one and the banker wasn&#8217;t the villain, at least not the main one:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Detectives in London have officially concluded that Italian banker Roberto Calvi was murdered in the city in 1982. Known as &#8216;God&#8217;s banker&#8217; because of ties to the Vatican, Mr Calvi was found hanging under Blackfriars Bridge but the death was first treated as suicide. Four people were charged with murder by the Italian authorities last month. . . &#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4566709.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4566709.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that you&#039;ll have to learn, Brendan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another thing that you&#8217;ll have to learn, Brendan.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The effective use of facts and logic is another. &#039;

Another what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;The effective use of facts and logic is another. &#8217;</p>

	<p>Another what?</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan, if you want to play in the big time you&#039;ll have to learn to respond more effectively when you&#039;re being baited. 

The effective use of facts and logic is another. The &quot;consequently&quot; in your most recent contribution doesn&#039;t follow either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brendan, if you want to play in the big time you&#8217;ll have to learn to respond more effectively when you&#8217;re being baited.</p>

	<p>The effective use of facts and logic is another. The &#8220;consequently&#8221; in your most recent contribution doesn&#8217;t follow either.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a Kennedy conspiracist, consequently a moron, consequently a troll. I &lt;i&gt;am &lt;/i&gt; going back to school where I will meet and teach many little boys like you. It&#039;s rude to call your teacher &#039;Junior&#039; by the way. 

Pleeeeease don&#039;t reply to this post, or any other, troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You are a Kennedy conspiracist, consequently a moron, consequently a troll. I <i>am </i> going back to school where I will meet and teach many little boys like you. It&#8217;s rude to call your teacher &#8216;Junior&#8217; by the way.</p>

	<p>Pleeeeease don&#8217;t reply to this post, or any other, troll.</p>
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