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		<title>By: Darwiniana &#187; RWOS: index</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darwiniana &#187; RWOS: index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 02:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] War with the Newts by Henry Farrell [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rvman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-150017</link>
		<dc:creator>rvman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;It’s the idea that all you need to do is invent the right tech, push a button, and the whole world 
&gt;opens up. Closed governments open, the narrow-minded become open-minded, and so on. 
&gt;This was the promise of the telegraph, radio, and television; and in the 1990s, this was the &gt;promise of the Internet.

A promise, fulfilled in full, and in ways never dreamed of before their invention.  Scientists who, at most, might have met once a year at a conference in 1950 or a few times in a lifetime in 1850 are now cowriting papers from different continents.  &quot;Closed&quot; governments have opened - the immediateness of the images of suffering was what caused the response to Vietnam to be different from Korea only 20 years before, and the Spanish-American war 60 years earlier, and forced the government to respond.  People, with this tech, aren&#039;t just getting one view of world events, or if they do, it is by their choice, not by necessity.  Minds which would have known but one way now know many.

We wouldn&#039;t have heard about, or cared about, the tsunami in the Indian Ocean a century ago.  Now we  donate billions to the Red Cross to help.  (Leave alone the difference between what happened to New Orleans in 2005 vs. Galveston in 1900, mostly driven by the ability to communicate the danger, quickly and effectively, to a population.)  We are far more open as societies than we used to be, to a great extent because of all of these technologies and their promises.

The issues Wu cited - China and Google, Napster, EBay fraud - back up the idea of technological transformation.  Why?  Google, for example.  Ok, they modified their site to fit the Chinese rulers.  That is one website.  Millions more to go.  China blocks the net?  Someone uses radio, or fax, to go around them.  Or they mirror the blocked information on an as-yet unblocked site, which is then blocked, and then is mirrored again, etc.  Each time someone is able to access that which isn&#039;t &#039;allowed&#039;, a promise fulfilled.

Today&#039;s Havanan, living in absolute despotism, has more access to the outside world than the most free citizens in London 150 years ago.  That Christian in Afghanistan, who was on trial for his life for apostacy?  He wouldn&#039;t have had a trial in a previous era, he just would have been strung up and forgotten.  Instead, he is able to leave, and at least some Afghanis who would never have given his death a second thought are thinking about what they are doing.  Even if it is  a very few, it is a start toward those minds being opened.  Let us not forget that the WEST was doing these same things not so long ago.  Now we don&#039;t - a promise fulfilled.

The automobile opened up the world, literally, to people who would have never gotten more than 10 miles from home a generation before.   It &#039;opened&#039; society in a way we can&#039;t even understand in our society where many of us commute on a daily basis distances which would have taken more than a day to cover in 1800, and take weekend trips at distances which would have taken a week to cross.  Tech did that, fulfilling promises its inventors didn&#039;t even imagine.  Not sociology, or political activism, or government..  

Tech hasn&#039;t brought, and never will bring, a perfect world.  It can be used to snoop into private lives (though how much worse was it when we all lived in small towns with a few hundred people, and any small transgression was sure to be known by everyone, simply because there was no place to hide).  It can be used to kill (though swords and arrows did that quite nicely, too - the battles in Ancient Greece killed more than now, proportional to population change).  It can be used to oppress. (Though is the worst oppressor today as bad as the Pharaohs were, what can a conqueror today do that Rome didn&#039;t do to Carthage?)  It pollutes. (How many millions died due to unclean water, before modern treatment methods?)  It doesn&#039;t solve every human problem, right now. (What does?)  All it does is solve more than it creates.

No single &#039;button&#039; is ever going to solve all of the world&#039;s problems, Utopia is an impossibility with humans, but a multitude of little buttons will make solutions, one by one.  What will those solutions be?  I don&#039;t know, they haven&#039;t been invented yet.  What promises will they fulfill?  Who knows?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>It&#8217;s the idea that all you need to do is invent the right tech, push a button, and the whole world<br />
>opens up. Closed governments open, the narrow-minded become open-minded, and so on.<br />
>This was the promise of the telegraph, radio, and television; and in the 1990s, this was the >promise of the Internet.</p>

	<p>A promise, fulfilled in full, and in ways never dreamed of before their invention.  Scientists who, at most, might have met once a year at a conference in 1950 or a few times in a lifetime in 1850 are now cowriting papers from different continents.  &#8220;Closed&#8221; governments have opened &#8211; the immediateness of the images of suffering was what caused the response to Vietnam to be different from Korea only 20 years before, and the Spanish-American war 60 years earlier, and forced the government to respond.  People, with this tech, aren&#8217;t just getting one view of world events, or if they do, it is by their choice, not by necessity.  Minds which would have known but one way now know many.</p>

	<p>We wouldn&#8217;t have heard about, or cared about, the tsunami in the Indian Ocean a century ago.  Now we  donate billions to the Red Cross to help.  (Leave alone the difference between what happened to New Orleans in 2005 vs. Galveston in 1900, mostly driven by the ability to communicate the danger, quickly and effectively, to a population.)  We are far more open as societies than we used to be, to a great extent because of all of these technologies and their promises.</p>

	<p>The issues Wu cited &#8211; China and Google, Napster, EBay fraud &#8211; back up the idea of technological transformation.  Why?  Google, for example.  Ok, they modified their site to fit the Chinese rulers.  That is one website.  Millions more to go.  China blocks the net?  Someone uses radio, or fax, to go around them.  Or they mirror the blocked information on an as-yet unblocked site, which is then blocked, and then is mirrored again, etc.  Each time someone is able to access that which isn&#8217;t &#8216;allowed&#8217;, a promise fulfilled.</p>

	<p>Today&#8217;s Havanan, living in absolute despotism, has more access to the outside world than the most free citizens in London 150 years ago.  That Christian in Afghanistan, who was on trial for his life for apostacy?  He wouldn&#8217;t have had a trial in a previous era, he just would have been strung up and forgotten.  Instead, he is able to leave, and at least some Afghanis who would never have given his death a second thought are thinking about what they are doing.  Even if it is  a very few, it is a start toward those minds being opened.  Let us not forget that the <span class="caps">WEST</span> was doing these same things not so long ago.  Now we don&#8217;t &#8211; a promise fulfilled.</p>

	<p>The automobile opened up the world, literally, to people who would have never gotten more than 10 miles from home a generation before.   It &#8216;opened&#8217; society in a way we can&#8217;t even understand in our society where many of us commute on a daily basis distances which would have taken more than a day to cover in 1800, and take weekend trips at distances which would have taken a week to cross.  Tech did that, fulfilling promises its inventors didn&#8217;t even imagine.  Not sociology, or political activism, or government..</p>

	<p>Tech hasn&#8217;t brought, and never will bring, a perfect world.  It can be used to snoop into private lives (though how much worse was it when we all lived in small towns with a few hundred people, and any small transgression was sure to be known by everyone, simply because there was no place to hide).  It can be used to kill (though swords and arrows did that quite nicely, too &#8211; the battles in Ancient Greece killed more than now, proportional to population change).  It can be used to oppress. (Though is the worst oppressor today as bad as the Pharaohs were, what can a conqueror today do that Rome didn&#8217;t do to Carthage?)  It pollutes. (How many millions died due to unclean water, before modern treatment methods?)  It doesn&#8217;t solve every human problem, right now. (What does?)  All it does is solve more than it creates.</p>

	<p>No single &#8216;button&#8217; is ever going to solve all of the world&#8217;s problems, Utopia is an impossibility with humans, but a multitude of little buttons will make solutions, one by one.  What will those solutions be?  I don&#8217;t know, they haven&#8217;t been invented yet.  What promises will they fulfill?  Who knows?</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Cassini Division&quot;, not &quot;The Star Fraction&quot;, I believe. Though Doctorow and Stross nicked it for a book title.

The argument that &quot;we can do anything with technology&quot; has a good deal to recommend it: primarily that it&#039;s generally been true, historically speaking. Don&#039;t be too hard on Newt and others for taking it a bit too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The Cassini Division&#8221;, not &#8220;The Star Fraction&#8221;, I believe. Though Doctorow and Stross nicked it for a book title.</p>

	<p>The argument that &#8220;we can do anything with technology&#8221; has a good deal to recommend it: primarily that it&#8217;s generally been true, historically speaking. Don&#8217;t be too hard on Newt and others for taking it a bit too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149895</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I have Chris&#039; book. It&#039;s wonderful. Of course, in our debased debate culture, his objective and evenhanded and scrupulously fair book has to be balanced with something like Dixie Lee Ray or Lyndon LaRouche and the truth found somewhere in the middle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, and I have Chris&#8217; book. It&#8217;s wonderful. Of course, in our debased debate culture, his objective and evenhanded and scrupulously fair book has to be balanced with something like Dixie Lee Ray or Lyndon LaRouche and the truth found somewhere in the middle.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Delgado</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149894</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Delgado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the theme of my weblog the Fascist Oar (above) albeit lately I have been just sort of general posting. In the future I will post an excerpt in each posting and then have some commentary.

But the above is my thesis more or less and also that of Brian Zepp Jamieson of Zepp&#039;s News Service.

If you go there, you should read my very first post (january archive) and also my quoted Zepp post (early this month).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That&#8217;s the theme of my weblog the Fascist Oar (above) albeit lately I have been just sort of general posting. In the future I will post an excerpt in each posting and then have some commentary.</p>

	<p>But the above is my thesis more or less and also that of Brian Zepp Jamieson of Zepp&#8217;s News Service.</p>

	<p>If you go there, you should read my very first post (january archive) and also my quoted Zepp post (early this month).</p>
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		<title>By: soubzriquet</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149853</link>
		<dc:creator>soubzriquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett: sorry to pile on here, but I think you have badly mischaracterized scientific criticism of missile defense initiatives.  What I&#039;ve seen boils down to two types:  First, some of the `scientific&#039; support being offered by the SDI people etc. was at best weak.  Sure, authors may have gone on to claim that this was evidence that contrators etc. were using bogus science to bolster claims for an already decided-on policy, but that doesn&#039;t affect the essential weakness of the claims.  

The second type boils down to this.  Technologists are very good at polishing known technologies and approaches,  but not at solving fundamentally new problems.  Scientists, on the other hand, have a good idea of where the really difficult unsolved stuff is.  Some (rare, unfortunately) people wear both hats comfortably, of course.  Based on the best current understanding (or lack of understanding) of the issues involved, some people have argued that it is a collossal waste of money that could be much better used elsewhere.

Does this mean it isn&#039;t possible?  Of course not.  It just means,  that in the judgement of many people who understand the issues quite well, it isn&#039;t likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brett: sorry to pile on here, but I think you have badly mischaracterized scientific criticism of missile defense initiatives.  What I&#8217;ve seen boils down to two types:  First, some of the `scientific&#8217; support being offered by the <span class="caps">SDI</span> people etc. was at best weak.  Sure, authors may have gone on to claim that this was evidence that contrators etc. were using bogus science to bolster claims for an already decided-on policy, but that doesn&#8217;t affect the essential weakness of the claims.</p>

	<p>The second type boils down to this.  Technologists are very good at polishing known technologies and approaches,  but not at solving fundamentally new problems.  Scientists, on the other hand, have a good idea of where the really difficult unsolved stuff is.  Some (rare, unfortunately) people wear both hats comfortably, of course.  Based on the best current understanding (or lack of understanding) of the issues involved, some people have argued that it is a collossal waste of money that could be much better used elsewhere.</p>

	<p>Does this mean it isn&#8217;t possible?  Of course not.  It just means,  that in the judgement of many people who understand the issues quite well, it isn&#8217;t likely.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Slothrop</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149832</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone Slothrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of the comments above about Glenn Reynolds, he is in a dialogue (trialogue?) on &lt;i&gt;Slate&lt;/i&gt; this week with Tim Wu and Jack Goldsmith discussing their recent books.  In response to Reynolds&#039; opening post, Wu posted this (on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2138537/entry/0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;, below Reynolds):

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Internet equivalent of the zipless fuck is the &quot;garage-door opener&quot; theory of high tech. It&#039;s the idea that all you need to do is invent the right tech, push a button, and the whole world opens up. Closed governments open, the narrow-minded become open-minded, and so on. This was the promise of the telegraph, radio, and television; and in the 1990s, this was the promise of the Internet. And it&#039;s still the premise of books like Thomas Friedman&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The World Is Flat&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not to mention Reynolds&#039; book, if I understand correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Apropos of the comments above about Glenn Reynolds, he is in a dialogue (trialogue?) on <i>Slate</i> this week with Tim Wu and Jack Goldsmith discussing their recent books.  In response to Reynolds&#8217; opening post, Wu posted this (on <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2138537/entry/0/" rel="nofollow">this page</a>, below Reynolds):</p>

	<p><blockquote>The Internet equivalent of the zipless fuck is the &#8220;garage-door opener&#8221; theory of high tech. It&#8217;s the idea that all you need to do is invent the right tech, push a button, and the whole world opens up. Closed governments open, the narrow-minded become open-minded, and so on. This was the promise of the telegraph, radio, and television; and in the 1990s, this was the promise of the Internet. And it&#8217;s still the premise of books like Thomas Friedman&#8217;s <i>The World Is Flat</i>. </blockquote></p>

	<p>Not to mention Reynolds&#8217; book, if I understand correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, did you post this theory before?  I know I read something like this before, because when I read  it, it was so obviously true that it completely made me forget my previous opinion on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry, did you post this theory before?  I know I read something like this before, because when I read  it, it was so obviously true that it completely made me forget my previous opinion on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett - your interpretation of &quot;impossible&quot; as &quot;violating the fundamental laws of physics&quot; is rather silly. If you want to find out more about this debate, you can start by reading Ashton Carter&#039;s critique of the bogus and implausible scientific assumptions made about how lasers could zap missiles inside the atmosphere. And then go on to read the US Congress&#039;s Office of Technology Assessment report on the workability of the technology. I&#039;ve no particular ethical objection to star wars type programs - if they worked. They don&#039;t. Nor given forseeable trajectories of technological development are they likely to anytime in the future. In Bob Jervis&#039;s terms, nuclear weapons create a strategic scenario in which offensive weapons predominate. Doubtless, you can claim that there may be some fundamental and unpredictable advance in our technology which provides some sort of magical fairy dust that will make evil missiles disappear. You may even be right. But it&#039;s not a prediction that I personally would care to stake my reputation on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brett &#8211; your interpretation of &#8220;impossible&#8221; as &#8220;violating the fundamental laws of physics&#8221; is rather silly. If you want to find out more about this debate, you can start by reading Ashton Carter&#8217;s critique of the bogus and implausible scientific assumptions made about how lasers could zap missiles inside the atmosphere. And then go on to read the <span class="caps">US </span>Congress&#8217;s Office of Technology Assessment report on the workability of the technology. I&#8217;ve no particular ethical objection to star wars type programs &#8211; if they worked. They don&#8217;t. Nor given forseeable trajectories of technological development are they likely to anytime in the future. In Bob Jervis&#8217;s terms, nuclear weapons create a strategic scenario in which offensive weapons predominate. Doubtless, you can claim that there may be some fundamental and unpredictable advance in our technology which provides some sort of magical fairy dust that will make evil missiles disappear. You may even be right. But it&#8217;s not a prediction that I personally would care to stake my reputation on.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,
sure, although my comment was in response to Henry&#039;s post, as he seems to be citing Newts support for the SDI as a proof of his craziness. All I am saying is that there is a method to Newt&#039;s madness there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brett,<br />
sure, although my comment was in response to Henry&#8217;s post, as he seems to be citing Newts support for the <span class="caps">SDI</span> as a proof of his craziness. All I am saying is that there is a method to Newt&#8217;s madness there.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Bellmore</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149751</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Bellmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 12:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That pretty much was my point: &quot;Scientific&quot; criticism of of many technological goals, such as Star Wars, is actually criticism of the aims, wrapped in a thin coat of science for added credibility. Technologists, even of the &quot;rapture of the nerds&quot; type, (And I&#039;m a cryonicist, BTW.) generally know enough science that we don&#039;t go after things that are actually &quot;impossible&quot; in any strict scientific sense, and we get tired of people claiming that&#039;s what we&#039;ve done, when they simply &lt;i&gt;disapprove&lt;/i&gt; of using technology to achieve certain ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That pretty much was my point: &#8220;Scientific&#8221; criticism of of many technological goals, such as Star Wars, is actually criticism of the aims, wrapped in a thin coat of science for added credibility. Technologists, even of the &#8220;rapture of the nerds&#8221; type, (And I&#8217;m a cryonicist, <span class="caps">BTW</span>.) generally know enough science that we don&#8217;t go after things that are actually &#8220;impossible&#8221; in any strict scientific sense, and we get tired of people claiming that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve done, when they simply <i>disapprove</i> of using technology to achieve certain ends.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/03/27/war-with-the-newts/comment-page-1/#comment-149747</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re assuming that strategic defense initiative (star wars) is all about missile defense, but perhaps the missile defense stuff is nothing but a cover for militarization of space. Taking the arms race to space is, of course, insane, but not in the sense of scientific or technological impossibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re assuming that strategic defense initiative (star wars) is all about missile defense, but perhaps the missile defense stuff is nothing but a cover for militarization of space. Taking the arms race to space is, of course, insane, but not in the sense of scientific or technological impossibility.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
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		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You left out Arthur C. Clarke:

Clarke&#039;s First Law:
&quot;When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.&quot;

Seems to sum up the attitude under discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You left out Arthur C. Clarke:</p>

	<p>Clarke&#8217;s First Law:<br />
&#8220;When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Seems to sum up the attitude under discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American fundamentalist Christianity has a strong technophilic streak in it that comes, at least in part, from roots in the culture of Scottish revival a couple-three centuries back. It&#039;s anchored in a basically common-sense pragmatism that&#039;s very conducive to and supportive of experimentation on human scales - engineering, agronomy, communications tech, vehicular design, medicine (up until it starts crowding definitions of human-ness), and so on. As matters get further from human experience, skepticism rises. But there&#039;s room in this for real brilliance of concept and execution in a lot of fields. 

But what Henry says about the conceptual constraints applies in a big way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>American fundamentalist Christianity has a strong technophilic streak in it that comes, at least in part, from roots in the culture of Scottish revival a couple-three centuries back. It&#8217;s anchored in a basically common-sense pragmatism that&#8217;s very conducive to and supportive of experimentation on human scales &#8211; engineering, agronomy, communications tech, vehicular design, medicine (up until it starts crowding definitions of human-ness), and so on. As matters get further from human experience, skepticism rises. But there&#8217;s room in this for real brilliance of concept and execution in a lot of fields.</p>

	<p>But what Henry says about the conceptual constraints applies in a big way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Weininger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Weininger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 04:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>henry: It&#039;s funny that you should use missile defense as a litmus test for techno-libertarianism, because it seems to me an excellent separator between the &quot;techno&quot; and the truly libertarian points of view.

Missile defense is after all a giant government program. One that is subject to no market discipline and can be kept going for purely political reasons whether it works or not, to appease congressmen whose districts are enriched or who just want to be seen as &quot;strong on defense&quot;. Its checkered history thus ought to be quite unsurprising to any libertarian. (The International Space Station is another good example of the same phenomenon).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>henry: It&#8217;s funny that you should use missile defense as a litmus test for techno-libertarianism, because it seems to me an excellent separator between the &#8220;techno&#8221; and the truly libertarian points of view.</p>

	<p>Missile defense is after all a giant government program. One that is subject to no market discipline and can be kept going for purely political reasons whether it works or not, to appease congressmen whose districts are enriched or who just want to be seen as &#8220;strong on defense&#8221;. Its checkered history thus ought to be quite unsurprising to any libertarian. (The International Space Station is another good example of the same phenomenon).</p>
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