<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Defunct Economist</title>
	<atom:link href="http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/</link>
	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:19:37 -0800</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151949</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151949</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the reply, Henry. y81 (at 31) makes my point better and more clearly than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for the reply, Henry. y81 (at 31) makes my point better and more clearly than I did.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Z</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151908</link>
		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151908</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;and no, we don’t know whether it is those immigrants having the children or not.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually yes, we do know. It is not &quot;those immigrants&quot;. The information is easily collected by crossing birth rate and revenue (not to mention dozens of demographic studies on just that topic).

&lt;i&gt;This might have something to do with Sweden’s high birth rate…a larger percentage of the population are first generation immigrants than in the US.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, we do know that it is Swedish people in general, not only immigrants and their offsprings that are responsible for Sweden relatively high birth rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>and no, we don&#8217;t know whether it is those immigrants having the children or not.</i></p>

	<p>Actually yes, we do know. It is not &#8220;those immigrants&#8221;. The information is easily collected by crossing birth rate and revenue (not to mention dozens of demographic studies on just that topic).</p>

	<p><i>This might have something to do with Sweden&#8217;s high birth rate&#8230;a larger percentage of the population are first generation immigrants than in the US.</i></p>

	<p>Again, we do know that it is Swedish people in general, not only immigrants and their offsprings that are responsible for Sweden relatively high birth rate.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Isabel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151902</link>
		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151902</guid>
		<description>Some 2 decades ago, if I remember well, Sweden was in the demographic bind that affects mostly Southern Europe nowadays. They turned it around with extremely generous benefits for families in terms of time off to raise their children. It paid off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Some 2 decades ago, if I remember well, Sweden was in the demographic bind that affects mostly Southern Europe nowadays. They turned it around with extremely generous benefits for families in terms of time off to raise their children. It paid off.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151895</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151895</guid>
		<description>30. Interesting to note as well that France has a substantial immigrant population (I think we’ve heard that somewhere recently, haven’t we?) and no, we don’t know whether it is those immigrants having the children or not. France simply doesn’t collect such figures (at least, so I’m told).
Well known that first generation immigrants have more children that second and so on.
This might have something to do with Sweden’s high birth rate...a larger percentage of the population are first generation immigrants than in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>30. Interesting to note as well that France has a substantial immigrant population (I think we&#8217;ve heard that somewhere recently, haven&#8217;t we?) and no, we don&#8217;t know whether it is those immigrants having the children or not. France simply doesn&#8217;t collect such figures (at least, so I&#8217;m told).<br />
Well known that first generation immigrants have more children that second and so on.<br />
This might have something to do with Sweden&#8217;s high birth rate&#8230;a larger percentage of the population are first generation immigrants than in the US.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151889</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 02:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151889</guid>
		<description>the mantra is firmly embedded in the media narrative 

while listening to NPR this morning i heard the venerable daniel shorr say that western europe continues to resist giving up it&#039;s social policies to satisfy the requirements of the market economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>the mantra is firmly embedded in the media narrative</p>

	<p>while listening to <span class="caps">NPR</span> this morning i heard the venerable daniel shorr say that western europe continues to resist giving up it&#8217;s social policies to satisfy the requirements of the market economy</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yabonn</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151876</link>
		<dc:creator>yabonn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151876</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Economist is chanelling their unhappiness.&lt;/i&gt;

Mmhhmm. And that envy of the u.s. explains other things too? Just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Economist is chanelling their unhappiness.</i></p>

	<p>Mmhhmm. And that envy of the u.s. explains other things too? Just curious.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard Bellamy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151875</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bellamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151875</guid>
		<description>Obviously, my copy of Atlas Shrugged has been long-since returned to my local, publically financed, lending library.

The irony of that is not lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obviously, my copy of Atlas Shrugged has been long-since returned to my local, publically financed, lending library.</p>

	<p>The irony of that is not lost.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151874</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151874</guid>
		<description>#31: &quot;my point is that higher per capita GDP translates into greater national power&quot;

That is not very convincing - in my opinion, I hasten to add. By the OECD stats, Luxembourg - a rather small, tax haven in the EU - has a higher per capita GDP than America but few believe Luxembourg has much international political clout  beyond the EU.

OTOH, by world standards, China&#039;s per capita GDP is not very high but, by reports, China has recently overtaken Britain to gain the status of the world&#039;s fourth largest economy in terms of GDP. China is not only a nuclear power but it has put up orbiting, manned satellites. Pundits are saying that by the mid 2020s, China will likely have the world&#039;s largest economy even though its per capita GDP will not have overtaken America&#039;s or Europe&#039;s. Sheer size of GDP brings clout. A small share of a large national GDP is sufficient to fund a national space programme. We are going to have to adjust our perspectives on global clout, I think.

The larger, mainland European economies undoutedly have serious problems - sluggish GDP growth, ageing populations, birth rates below replacement level and unsustainable fiscal commitments to fund social welfare programmes - although Schroeder&#039;s government in Germany did push through many genuine reforms of welfare entitlement and employment protection which seem to be yielding positive employment benefits.

The Economist is almost certainly right in its observation the extent and causes of Europe&#039;s problems are not widely appreciated in Europe - and nor is the dynamism of the American economy. However, there are features of European economies which may surprise casual spectators. It would be wrong to jump to a conclusion that the European social model - with generous welfare benefits and employment protection - is to blame for Europe&#039;s economic problems.

The paradox is that the Nordic countries in Europe have among the highest tax burdens as well as strong historic traditions of state intervention to manage national economies but they also have among the most dynamic and least sluggish economies in Europe. It seems probable that countries with smaller national populations are better able to generate and sustain a popular consensus about the course of policies necessary for statist management of national economies than is feasible in the large economies - hence the recent riots in France and the election result in Italy showing the electorate almost evenly split.

On European social models, this is worth reading:

Andre Sapir: Globalization and the Reform of European Social Models - Background document for presentation at ECOFIN Informal Meeting in Manchester, 9 September 2005
http://www.bruegel.org/Repositories/Documents/publications/working_papers/EN_SapirPaper080905.pdf

Summary and commentary here: http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-146338-16&amp;type=PolicyNews</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#31: &#8220;my point is that higher per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> translates into greater national power&#8221;</p>

	<p>That is not very convincing &#8211; in my opinion, I hasten to add. By the <span class="caps">OECD</span> stats, Luxembourg &#8211; a rather small, tax haven in the <span class="caps">EU </span>- has a higher per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> than America but few believe Luxembourg has much international political clout  beyond the EU.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">OTOH</span>, by world standards, China&#8217;s per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> is not very high but, by reports, China has recently overtaken Britain to gain the status of the world&#8217;s fourth largest economy in terms of <span class="caps">GDP</span>. China is not only a nuclear power but it has put up orbiting, manned satellites. Pundits are saying that by the mid 2020s, China will likely have the world&#8217;s largest economy even though its per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> will not have overtaken America&#8217;s or Europe&#8217;s. Sheer size of <span class="caps">GDP</span> brings clout. A small share of a large national <span class="caps">GDP</span> is sufficient to fund a national space programme. We are going to have to adjust our perspectives on global clout, I think.</p>

	<p>The larger, mainland European economies undoutedly have serious problems &#8211; sluggish <span class="caps">GDP</span> growth, ageing populations, birth rates below replacement level and unsustainable fiscal commitments to fund social welfare programmes &#8211; although Schroeder&#8217;s government in Germany did push through many genuine reforms of welfare entitlement and employment protection which seem to be yielding positive employment benefits.</p>

	<p>The Economist is almost certainly right in its observation the extent and causes of Europe&#8217;s problems are not widely appreciated in Europe &#8211; and nor is the dynamism of the American economy. However, there are features of European economies which may surprise casual spectators. It would be wrong to jump to a conclusion that the European social model &#8211; with generous welfare benefits and employment protection &#8211; is to blame for Europe&#8217;s economic problems.</p>

	<p>The paradox is that the Nordic countries in Europe have among the highest tax burdens as well as strong historic traditions of state intervention to manage national economies but they also have among the most dynamic and least sluggish economies in Europe. It seems probable that countries with smaller national populations are better able to generate and sustain a popular consensus about the course of policies necessary for statist management of national economies than is feasible in the large economies &#8211; hence the recent riots in France and the election result in Italy showing the electorate almost evenly split.</p>

	<p>On European social models, this is worth reading:</p>

	<p>Andre Sapir: Globalization and the Reform of European Social Models &#8211; Background document for presentation at <span class="caps">ECOFIN </span>Informal Meeting in Manchester, 9 September 2005<br />
<a href="http://www.bruegel.org/Repositories/Documents/publications/working_papers/EN_SapirPaper080905.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bruegel.org/Repositories/Documents/publications/working_papers/EN_SapirPaper080905.pdf</a></p>

	<p>Summary and commentary here: <a href="http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-146338-16&#038;type=PolicyNews" rel="nofollow">http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-146338-16&#038;type=PolicyNews</a></p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MDP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151873</link>
		<dc:creator>MDP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151873</guid>
		<description>nm, now I see that ball got rolling with y81&#039;s &quot;30% lower&quot; comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>nm, now I see that ball got rolling with y81&#8217;s &#8220;30% lower&#8221; comment.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MDP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151872</link>
		<dc:creator>MDP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151872</guid>
		<description>abb1, if you understand it, then what was the point of your response to soru?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>abb1, if you understand it, then what was the point of your response to soru?</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MDP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151870</link>
		<dc:creator>MDP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151870</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;P O&#039;Neill: Would George Bush be able to run deficits of $400bn a year if interest rates reacted the way they used to to deficits of that size?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How did interest rates used to react?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote><span class="caps">P O</span>&#8217;Neill: Would George Bush be able to run deficits of $400bn a year if interest rates reacted the way they used to to deficits of that size?</blockquote></p>

	<p>How did interest rates used to react?</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151869</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151869</guid>
		<description>We all understand this, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We all understand this, Michael.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: MDP</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151868</link>
		<dc:creator>MDP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151868</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;soru: Maybe I am missing some sarcasm or pedantry or something, but the link you posted gives 2004 France GDP per head as 29711, USA as 39653, about 33% higher.

abb1: Hmm, I’m not an expert, but it appears that 29711 is about 25% lower than 39653.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

39653 is about 33% more than 29711. 29711 is about 25% less than 39653.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>soru: Maybe I am missing some sarcasm or pedantry or something, but the link you posted gives 2004 France <span class="caps">GDP</span> per head as 29711, <span class="caps">USA</span> as 39653, about 33% higher.</blockquote></p>

	<p>abb1: Hmm, I&#8217;m not an expert, but it appears that 29711 is about 25% lower than 39653.</p>

	<p>39653 is about 33% more than 29711. 29711 is about 25% less than 39653.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: y81</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151866</link>
		<dc:creator>y81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151866</guid>
		<description>bob b, my point is that higher per capita GDP translates into greater national power, so of course the elites in any country would find it important.  This point isn&#039;t affected by whether the per capita GDP is distributed fairly or not, and it certainly isn&#039;t affected by pointing that France&#039;s per capita GDP is only 25%, not 30%, lower than that of the U.S.  It&#039;s still the case that no one listens to Chirac because he doesn&#039;t have an effective military, an important domestic market, a hugh foreign aid budget, French corporations with global clout etc.  If the EU countries were 30% richer, they would have those things.  It appears, however, that the average EU citizen doesn&#039;t want those things, which presumably makes members of the EU elite unhappy.  The Economist is chanelling their unhappiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>bob b, my point is that higher per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> translates into greater national power, so of course the elites in any country would find it important.  This point isn&#8217;t affected by whether the per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> is distributed fairly or not, and it certainly isn&#8217;t affected by pointing that France&#8217;s per capita <span class="caps">GDP</span> is only 25%, not 30%, lower than that of the U.S.  It&#8217;s still the case that no one listens to Chirac because he doesn&#8217;t have an effective military, an important domestic market, a hugh foreign aid budget, French corporations with global clout etc.  If the EU countries were 30% richer, they would have those things.  It appears, however, that the average EU citizen doesn&#8217;t want those things, which presumably makes members of the EU elite unhappy.  The Economist is chanelling their unhappiness.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/14/defunct-economist/comment-page-1/#comment-151863</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4560#comment-151863</guid>
		<description>Tim:  &quot;And the Anglo Saxon US is at or above replacement?&quot;

Shhhhhhhhhh.  When one is bashing European countries for low birth rates, one is supposed to conveniently forget that immigrants and their children are pushing up US population growth rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tim:  &#8220;And the Anglo Saxon US is at or above replacement?&#8221;</p>

	<p>Shhhhhhhhhh.  When one is bashing European countries for low birth rates, one is supposed to conveniently forget that immigrants and their children are pushing up US population growth rates.</p>
 ]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
