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		<title>By: Ralph Hitchens</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152640</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hitchens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figures they&#039;d go after the dead guy.  Back at least 15 years or more, the Washingtonian Magazine ran a profile of Bob Woodward that featured a picture of him sitting in his den at home, with a stack of documents on a low table or ottoman next to his chair.  Obvious to anyone &quot;in the business,&quot; the top document&#039;s cover identified it as an NSA sensitive compartmented intelligence report.  Created a stir within the intelligence community, but to my knowledge no one went after Woodward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Figures they&#8217;d go after the dead guy.  Back at least 15 years or more, the Washingtonian Magazine ran a profile of Bob Woodward that featured a picture of him sitting in his den at home, with a stack of documents on a low table or ottoman next to his chair.  Obvious to anyone &#8220;in the business,&#8221; the top document&#8217;s cover identified it as an <span class="caps">NSA</span> sensitive compartmented intelligence report.  Created a stir within the intelligence community, but to my knowledge no one went after Woodward.</p>
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		<title>By: Meteor Blades</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152427</link>
		<dc:creator>Meteor Blades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1972, we in the American Indian Movement occupied and trashed the Bureau of Indian Affairs HQ in DC. Before we left we smuggled boxes and boxes of documents out of the building and transferred many to journalists, including Anderson, who wrote a number of pieces about what was in those documents. You can see one such piece &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maquah.net/Historical/1972/images/72-12-15_Ind_pap_bare_neglect.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Although the documents we stole helped spark a number of lawsuits, there&#039;s probably not much in them today of more than historical value. But I&#039;d still be curious to know if Anderson&#039;s treasure trove  contains anything from the BIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In 1972, we in the American Indian Movement occupied and trashed the Bureau of Indian Affairs HQ in DC. Before we left we smuggled boxes and boxes of documents out of the building and transferred many to journalists, including Anderson, who wrote a number of pieces about what was in those documents. You can see one such piece <a href="http://www.maquah.net/Historical/1972/images/72-12-15_Ind_pap_bare_neglect.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

	<p>Although the documents we stole helped spark a number of lawsuits, there&#8217;s probably not much in them today of more than historical value. But I&#8217;d still be curious to know if Anderson&#8217;s treasure trove  contains anything from the <span class="caps">BIA</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152419</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Its clear from the NYTimes article that little could have changed in these 200 boxes of papers in the last 25 years. The question is not whether they are of interest to a federal government so obsessed with secrecy that it can’t effectively provide security for its citizens, no, the question is WHY NOW?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know what else hasn&#039;t changed much since 25 years ago? The names of senior administration officials obsessed with executive power and secrecy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote>Its clear from the NYTimes article that little could have changed in these 200 boxes of papers in the last 25 years. The question is not whether they are of interest to a federal government so obsessed with secrecy that it can&#8217;t effectively provide security for its citizens, no, the question is <span class="caps">WHY NOW</span>?</blockquote></p>

	<p>You know what else hasn&#8217;t changed much since 25 years ago? The names of senior administration officials obsessed with executive power and secrecy.</p>
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		<title>By: greensmile</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152361</link>
		<dc:creator>greensmile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The book Feldstein is now writing is a legitimate use of these papers and would be an embarrassment to neocons who worship the bust of Nixon kept in their studies and more of an embarrassment to the FBI perhaps.  It is clear Anderson&#039;s heirs approve of the book being written and that looming possibility of exposure seems the likeliest explanation for the FBI&#039;s sudden interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The book Feldstein is now writing is a legitimate use of these papers and would be an embarrassment to neocons who worship the bust of Nixon kept in their studies and more of an embarrassment to the <span class="caps">FBI</span> perhaps.  It is clear Anderson&#8217;s heirs approve of the book being written and that looming possibility of exposure seems the likeliest explanation for the <span class="caps">FBI</span>&#8217;s sudden interest.</p>
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		<title>By: greensmile</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152355</link>
		<dc:creator>greensmile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its clear from the NYTimes article that little could have changed in these 200 boxes of papers in the last 25 years.  The question is not whether they are of interest to a federal government so obsessed with secrecy that it can&#039;t effectively provide security for its citizens, no, the question is WHY NOW? The FBI has scores to settle with Anderson but that information has been growing stale and less useful for two decades...what fact or cultural shift has arisen in our government to make this the time to settle old scores?  Has our devolution toward a police state just crossed beneath some threshold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Its clear from the NYTimes article that little could have changed in these 200 boxes of papers in the last 25 years.  The question is not whether they are of interest to a federal government so obsessed with secrecy that it can&#8217;t effectively provide security for its citizens, no, the question is <span class="caps">WHY NOW</span>? The <span class="caps">FBI</span> has scores to settle with Anderson but that information has been growing stale and less useful for two decades&#8230;what fact or cultural shift has arisen in our government to make this the time to settle old scores?  Has our devolution toward a police state just crossed beneath some threshold?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The overlap between the Nixon administration and the current one could be a significant incentive to legal innovation on this issue. Anything that delays publication until the end of 2008 could be valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The overlap between the Nixon administration and the current one could be a significant incentive to legal innovation on this issue. Anything that delays publication until the end of 2008 could be valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152341</link>
		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the vast campaign of political assasinations carried out in Vietnam under the Phoenix Programme. Nor indeed he the one ton of explosives dropped per minute from 1969 - 72. That&#039;s right - per minute.

Nixon was...bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not to mention the vast campaign of political assasinations carried out in Vietnam under the Phoenix Programme. Nor indeed he the one ton of explosives dropped per minute from 1969 &#8211; 72. That&#8217;s right &#8211; per minute.</p>

	<p>Nixon was&#8230;bad.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152337</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood that there was explicitly no prior restraint under the First Amendment (IIRC that was a crucial issue in the Pentagon Papers controversy).  In other words, the US government cannot prevent publication of a classified document even where such publication is illegal - they can only punish after the fact. On what grounds, then, can an injunction be issued?  Does anyone here know the relevant US law?

And brendan is clearly too young to remember the Nixon administration - this was the sort of shit they did. After secretly and illegally dropping more bombs than were dropped in all of WWII on a small neutral country a political assassination probably seemed mere child&#039;s play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I understood that there was explicitly no prior restraint under the First Amendment (IIRC that was a crucial issue in the Pentagon Papers controversy).  In other words, the US government cannot prevent publication of a classified document even where such publication is illegal &#8211; they can only punish after the fact. On what grounds, then, can an injunction be issued?  Does anyone here know the relevant US law?</p>

	<p>And brendan is clearly too young to remember the Nixon administration &#8211; this was the sort of shit they did. After secretly and illegally dropping more bombs than were dropped in all of <span class="caps">WWII</span> on a small neutral country a political assassination probably seemed mere child&#8217;s play.</p>
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		<title>By: jonst</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendan,

You find that surprising? Come on....

Jonst</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brendan,</p>

	<p>You find that surprising? Come on&#8230;.</p>

	<p>Jonst</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152305</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup.
&lt;blockquote&gt;
In 1972, in an overlooked nadir of American political history, Anderson was the target of a Mafia-style hit ordered in the White House. Two Nixon administration conspirators admitted under oath they plotted to poison Anderson on orders from a top aide to the President. White House &quot;plumbers&quot; G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt met with a CIA operative to discuss the possibilities, including drugging Anderson with LSD, poisoning his aspirin bottle, or staging a fatal mugging. The conspirators were never ordered to proceed, and the plot aborted, when the plotters were arrested as a result of the Watergate break-in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Anderson
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Tsss... The details are classified. We can&#039;t let the terrorists know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yup.<br />
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In 1972, in an overlooked nadir of American political history, Anderson was the target of a Mafia-style hit ordered in the White House. Two Nixon administration conspirators admitted under oath they plotted to poison Anderson on orders from a top aide to the President. White House &#8220;plumbers&#8221; G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt met with a <span class="caps">CIA</span> operative to discuss the possibilities, including drugging Anderson with <span class="caps">LSD</span>, poisoning his aspirin bottle, or staging a fatal mugging. The conspirators were never ordered to proceed, and the plot aborted, when the plotters were arrested as a result of the Watergate break-in.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Anderson" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Anderson</a><br />
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Tsss&#8230; The details are classified. We can&#8217;t let the terrorists know.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me while my gast unflabbers itself. They discussed plans to &lt;i&gt;assassinate&lt;/i&gt; him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Excuse me while my gast unflabbers itself. They discussed plans to <i>assassinate</i> him?</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/18/journalists-and-secrets/comment-page-1/#comment-152281</link>
		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wednesday&#039;s WSJ picks up the story

&lt;em&gt;In the Anderson case, FBI agents sought access to the documents from family members, the university and others who have seen them. While agents have said their interest in Mr. Anderson&#039;s documents relates to a continuing investigation involving the pro-Israel lobby group known as AIPAC, the FBI said yesterday its interest is focused on removing classified documents that might be in the boxes.

News of the FBI&#039;s requests was reported earlier by the Chronicle of Higher Education. In a statement, the FBI said it has determined that the late journalist&#039;s papers include a number of documents containing classified information that belong to the government. &quot;Under the law, no private person may possess classified documents that were illegally provided to them,&quot; the statement said. &quot;The U.S. government has reasonable concern over the prospect that these classified documents will be made available to the public at the risk of national security and in violation of the law.&quot; The two-paragraph statement didn&#039;t mention the AIPAC investigation.

The FBI is seeking to review Mr. Anderson&#039;s documents from 1980 to the present, and Kevin Anderson, the journalist&#039;s son, says the government has declined repeated attempts to limit the inquiry to just documents related to AIPAC. The columnist&#039;s family has notified the FBI that they won&#039;t provide access to the records, leaving the government little choice but to issue a subpoena or its equivalent to get to them.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wednesday&#8217;s <span class="caps">WSJ</span> picks up the story</p>

	<p><em>In the Anderson case, <span class="caps">FBI</span> agents sought access to the documents from family members, the university and others who have seen them. While agents have said their interest in Mr. Anderson&#8217;s documents relates to a continuing investigation involving the pro-Israel lobby group known as <span class="caps">AIPAC</span>, the <span class="caps">FBI</span> said yesterday its interest is focused on removing classified documents that might be in the boxes.</em></p>

	<p>News of the <span class="caps">FBI</span>&#8217;s requests was reported earlier by the Chronicle of Higher Education. In a statement, the <span class="caps">FBI</span> said it has determined that the late journalist&#8217;s papers include a number of documents containing classified information that belong to the government. &#8220;Under the law, no private person may possess classified documents that were illegally provided to them,&#8221; the statement said. &#8220;The U.S. government has reasonable concern over the prospect that these classified documents will be made available to the public at the risk of national security and in violation of the law.&#8221; The two-paragraph statement didn&#8217;t mention the <span class="caps">AIPAC</span> investigation.</p>

	<p>The <span class="caps">FBI</span> is seeking to review Mr. Anderson&#8217;s documents from 1980 to the present, and Kevin Anderson, the journalist&#8217;s son, says the government has declined repeated attempts to limit the inquiry to just documents related to <span class="caps">AIPAC</span>. The columnist&#8217;s family has notified the <span class="caps">FBI</span> that they won&#8217;t provide access to the records, leaving the government little choice but to issue a subpoena or its equivalent to get to them.</p>
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