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		<title>By: Alex Tabarrok</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153437</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Tabarrok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contra Daniel, Objectivism does not consider charity to be a vice.  On the contrary, charity is considered to be a virtue but a minor one;  minor  in relation to productivity upon which it depends.  What Rand is against is charity as a duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Contra Daniel, Objectivism does not consider charity to be a vice.  On the contrary, charity is considered to be a virtue but a minor one;  minor  in relation to productivity upon which it depends.  What Rand is against is charity as a duty.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153287</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, there’s nothing wrong with people deciding for themselves to fund/support a grant or financial aid. &lt;/i&gt;

That would be the normal libertarian point of view, but in Randianism, all forms of charity and in particular all grants disbursed on the basis of &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; are by that token evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Also, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with people deciding for themselves to fund/support a grant or financial aid. </i></p>

	<p>That would be the normal libertarian point of view, but in Randianism, all forms of charity and in particular all grants disbursed on the basis of <i>need</i> are by that token evil.</p>
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		<title>By: dr ngo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153280</link>
		<dc:creator>dr ngo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related topic, the president of Meredith College in Raleigh, North Carolina, recently negotiated a substantial grant from a rich local libertarian (?) to support a course on capitalist philosophy (IIRC) with the writings of Ms. Rand being required reading.

Alas for her (= the president, but also the late Ms. Rand) the faculty, uppity liberals that they presumably are, voted to reject the stipulation on the readings, despite the president&#039;s dire warning that they would thereupon lose the whole grant.

So FWIW unfettered capitalism can&#039;t quite purchase academia outright yet, even at a small liberal arts college for women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On a related topic, the president of Meredith College in Raleigh, North Carolina, recently negotiated a substantial grant from a rich local libertarian (?) to support a course on capitalist philosophy (IIRC) with the writings of Ms. Rand being required reading.</p>

	<p>Alas for her (= the president, but also the late Ms. Rand) the faculty, uppity liberals that they presumably are, voted to reject the stipulation on the readings, despite the president&#8217;s dire warning that they would thereupon lose the whole grant.</p>

	<p>So <span class="caps">FWIW</span> unfettered capitalism can&#8217;t quite purchase academia outright yet, even at a small liberal arts college for women.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153277</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be wrong not to try to get a grant that is available.  You don&#039;t need to support a system to take advantage of it.

Also, there&#039;s nothing wrong with people deciding for themselves to fund/support a grant or financial aid.  It&#039;s funding them through taxes that is considered wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It would be wrong not to try to get a grant that is available.  You don&#8217;t need to support a system to take advantage of it.</p>

	<p>Also, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with people deciding for themselves to fund/support a grant or financial aid.  It&#8217;s funding them through taxes that is considered wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: mealworm</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153247</link>
		<dc:creator>mealworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone here going to blog about the Finnish entry in this year&#039;s Eurovision song contest?  I saw the article in the NYT and can&#039;t wait to see what you have to say about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is anyone here going to blog about the Finnish entry in this year&#8217;s Eurovision song contest?  I saw the article in the <span class="caps">NYT</span> and can&#8217;t wait to see what you have to say about it.</p>
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		<title>By: luci</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153186</link>
		<dc:creator>luci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat: gotta be Neil Peart from Rush. I believe Ayn Rand is even mentioned in the liner notes in one of their late 70&#039;s albums. Don&#039;t ask why I know this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nat: gotta be Neil Peart from Rush. I believe Ayn Rand is even mentioned in the liner notes in one of their late 70&#8217;s albums. Don&#8217;t ask why I know this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153164</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the grant application process is a formative assessment designed to reveal the depths of second-handery that the potential initiate has plumbed - apply for a complete course waiver plus a maintenance grant, and they will automatically put you on the Remedial Selfishness Studies module (AYN 101), ask for a 10% discount and you&#039;re enrolled on Reasonably Practical Rudeness (AYN 305) instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps the grant application process is a formative assessment designed to reveal the depths of second-handery that the potential initiate has plumbed &#8211; apply for a complete course waiver plus a maintenance grant, and they will automatically put you on the Remedial Selfishness Studies module (AYN 101), ask for a 10% discount and you&#8217;re enrolled on Reasonably Practical Rudeness (AYN 305) instead.</p>
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		<title>By: ben alpers</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153150</link>
		<dc:creator>ben alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  Please ignore that last post...it belongs in another thread (obviously).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oops!  Please ignore that last post&#8230;it belongs in another thread (obviously).</p>
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		<title>By: ben alpers</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153149</link>
		<dc:creator>ben alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think most historians today would rank Herbert Hoover as one of the three worst presidents in U.S. history.  Indeed, I think he&#039;d just crack the bottom ten.

The last major poll of historians on good and bad presidents was conducted by Arthur Schlesinger in 1996 (you can see results of it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2004/leadership/schlesinger.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).  Historians were asked to rate presidents as Great, Near Great, Average, Below Average, or Failure.  Hoover ended up as the fifth worst president behind Harding (the worst), Buchanan, Andrew Johson, and Nixon (of course Dubya was not yet in the running).  But among the seven presidents rated as overall failures in the poll, Hoover received the fewest historians ranking him as a failure (10 of 32).  Nine historians ranked him as Below Average; eleven ranked him average (two historians apparently didn&#039;t rank him at all).

If anything, Hoover&#039;s reputation has improved moderately since then.  The current line on Hoover (to the extent there is one) is that while he failed to respond effectively to horrendous economic events that were largely out of his control, he was not the hidebound ideologue that his older reputation might suggest (though after his presidency, Hoover became more ideologically rigid).  See, for example, David M. Kennedy&#039;s fairly sympathetic portrait of Hoover in his history of the Great Depression, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195144031/sr=8-1/qid=1145887439/ref=sr_1_1/002-2894767-1092027?%5Fencoding=UTF8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Freedom from Fear&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think most historians today would rank Herbert Hoover as one of the three worst presidents in U.S. history.  Indeed, I think he&#8217;d just crack the bottom ten.</p>

	<p>The last major poll of historians on good and bad presidents was conducted by Arthur Schlesinger in 1996 (you can see results of it <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/choice2004/leadership/schlesinger.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>).  Historians were asked to rate presidents as Great, Near Great, Average, Below Average, or Failure.  Hoover ended up as the fifth worst president behind Harding (the worst), Buchanan, Andrew Johson, and Nixon (of course Dubya was not yet in the running).  But among the seven presidents rated as overall failures in the poll, Hoover received the fewest historians ranking him as a failure (10 of 32).  Nine historians ranked him as Below Average; eleven ranked him average (two historians apparently didn&#8217;t rank him at all).</p>

	<p>If anything, Hoover&#8217;s reputation has improved moderately since then.  The current line on Hoover (to the extent there is one) is that while he failed to respond effectively to horrendous economic events that were largely out of his control, he was not the hidebound ideologue that his older reputation might suggest (though after his presidency, Hoover became more ideologically rigid).  See, for example, David M. Kennedy&#8217;s fairly sympathetic portrait of Hoover in his history of the Great Depression, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195144031/sr=8-1/qid=1145887439/ref=sr_1_1/002-2894767-1092027?%5Fencoding=UTF8" rel="nofollow"><i>Freedom from Fear</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, the important, life-affirming thing is that your rant will last several hundred pages.  Long enough to stun, if not kill, even the most hardened philosphy professors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Daniel, the important, life-affirming thing is that your rant will last several hundred pages.  Long enough to stun, if not kill, even the most hardened philosphy professors.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Whilk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153136</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Whilk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Randian multimillionaire rock lyricist recently wrote a book that was &quot;generously supported by the Canada Council, the Ontario Arts Council, and the Government of Canada through the Book Publishing Industry Development Program&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What Randian multimillionaire rock lyricist recently wrote a book that was &#8220;generously supported by the Canada Council, the Ontario Arts Council, and the Government of Canada through the Book Publishing Industry Development Program&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: lurker</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153135</link>
		<dc:creator>lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if time.

What if Professor Peikoff were playing the role of Karl Rove?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What if time.</p>

	<p>What if Professor Peikoff were playing the role of Karl Rove?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153132</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In principle I am sure the Randites will claim that they are being purely selfish in giving this financial aid because it helps their cause of Randianism.  But this has always sounded pretty unconvincing, even when put into the mouths of the characters in &lt;i&gt;Atlas Shrugged&lt;/i&gt; for dramatic reasons (as in, it&#039;s not actually possible to have a viable novel entirely about people who only care about themselves all the time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In principle I am sure the Randites will claim that they are being purely selfish in giving this financial aid because it helps their cause of Randianism.  But this has always sounded pretty unconvincing, even when put into the mouths of the characters in <i>Atlas Shrugged</i> for dramatic reasons (as in, it&#8217;s not actually possible to have a viable novel entirely about people who only care about themselves all the time)</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very snarky . . . but what would those poor Objectivists have the right to expect from a website named after a quotation from Kant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Very snarky . . . but what would those poor Objectivists have the right to expect from a website named after a quotation from Kant?</p>
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		<title>By: mb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/24/file-under-who-knew/comment-page-1/#comment-153125</link>
		<dc:creator>mb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apply&quot; for a grant?  I will seize one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Apply&#8221; for a grant?  I will seize one!</p>
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