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		<title>By: HiMY SYeD [www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca]</title>
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		<dc:creator>HiMY SYeD [www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Jane Jacobs&#039; Toronto Neighbourhood of The Annex, just a few blocks over.

  You can sign an online message of condolence at our website, to accompany the actual neighbourhood book of condolence which is at Dooney&#039;s Cafe, a neighbourhood landmark she helped save when Starbucks first came to The Annex.

  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca&quot; title=&quot;Jane Jacobs Online Memorial Weblog&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca&lt;/a&gt;

  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I live in Jane Jacobs&#8217; Toronto Neighbourhood of The Annex, just a few blocks over.</p>

	<p>You can sign an online message of condolence at our website, to accompany the actual neighbourhood book of condolence which is at Dooney&#8217;s Cafe, a neighbourhood landmark she helped save when Starbucks first came to The Annex.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca" title="Jane Jacobs Online Memorial Weblog" rel="nofollow">http://www.JaneJacobs.TYO.ca</a></p>

	<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyberspace Rendezvous :: Interview with Jane Jacobs :: April :: 2006</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyberspace Rendezvous :: Interview with Jane Jacobs :: April :: 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And, like me, she was hard to categorize. People often want to put you in some category; I&#8217;ve had this done all of my life, but it never works. I never completely fit into one category (although I&#8217;ve tried). And that&#8217;s alright, because it&#8217;s not something that I seek in my life, to be part of a category that someone else made up. I&#8217;m my own category. And so was Jane. She died recently. But she&#8217;s not the only systems thinker out there. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] And, like me, she was hard to categorize. People often want to put you in some category; I&#8217;ve had this done all of my life, but it never works. I never completely fit into one category (although I&#8217;ve tried). And that&#8217;s alright, because it&#8217;s not something that I seek in my life, to be part of a category that someone else made up. I&#8217;m my own category. And so was Jane. She died recently. But she&#8217;s not the only systems thinker out there. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feeling sorry to hear that Jane Jacobas is no more with us. Was a brilliant thinker and writer. Reading &quot;Life and Death&quot; was a formative experience for me like many others. But 89 is a pretty good age. May her soul rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Feeling sorry to hear that Jane Jacobas is no more with us. Was a brilliant thinker and writer. Reading &#8220;Life and Death&#8221; was a formative experience for me like many others. But 89 is a pretty good age. May her soul rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: P O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>P O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obit from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-2152880,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Times&lt;/a&gt; of London.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obit from <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,60-2152880,00.html" rel="nofollow">Times</a> of London.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff Prizan&#039;s obituary in the FT offers the (I think) very incorrect suggestion that Jacobs &quot;spent her entire career fighting for one deceptively simple principle: leave the cities alone and let them develop by themselves.&quot;

I believe that is not an accurate assement at all. Jacobs belived that there must be rules for city building and while there need not be a great many rules, rules there must be. She by no means urged any sort of anarchy. 

Indeed, it&#039;s not really clear what a statement like &quot;leave the cities alone and let them develop by themselves&quot; could actually mean. Cities don&#039;t develop by themselve. Individuals and various corporate entities -- people -- are the actors and there must be some set of rules by which they organize and coordinate their activities. For example, Jacobs wasn&#039;t fighting Robert Moses because he was an urban planner but simply because he was implementing some bad plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jeff Prizan&#8217;s obituary in the FT offers the (I think) very incorrect suggestion that Jacobs &#8220;spent her entire career fighting for one deceptively simple principle: leave the cities alone and let them develop by themselves.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I believe that is not an accurate assement at all. Jacobs belived that there must be rules for city building and while there need not be a great many rules, rules there must be. She by no means urged any sort of anarchy.</p>

	<p>Indeed, it&#8217;s not really clear what a statement like &#8220;leave the cities alone and let them develop by themselves&#8221; could actually mean. Cities don&#8217;t develop by themselve. Individuals and various corporate entities&#8212;people&#8212;are the actors and there must be some set of rules by which they organize and coordinate their activities. For example, Jacobs wasn&#8217;t fighting Robert Moses because he was an urban planner but simply because he was implementing some bad plans.</p>
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		<title>By: antirealist</title>
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		<dc:creator>antirealist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;... a friend of mine, just through with his commercial insurance license, tells me actuarial charts for kids born now run into the 130s&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060426.wobese0426/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Maybe&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,1225644,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8230; a friend of mine, just through with his commercial insurance license, tells me actuarial charts for kids born now run into the 130s</i></p>

	<p>Maybe. <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060426.wobese0426/BNStory/specialScienceandHealth/home" rel="nofollow">Maybe</a> <a href="http://society.guardian.co.uk/publichealth/story/0,11098,1225644,00.html" rel="nofollow">not</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;his Notes on the Synthesis of Form is, to my mind, his best book&lt;/i&gt;

Thanks Joel. (Amazon thanks you too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>his Notes on the Synthesis of Form is, to my mind, his best book</i></p>

	<p>Thanks Joel. (Amazon thanks you too.)</p>
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		<title>By: joel turnipseed</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel turnipseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, cian--89 is &lt;em&gt;damned&lt;/em&gt; good innings (though a friend of mine, just through with his commercial insurance license, tells me actuarial charts for kids born now run into the 130s).

&lt;em&gt;Death and Life...&lt;/em&gt; is a wonderful book, of course: chock full of observation/insight. Opening a page at random (p. 234), I see: &quot;No special form of city blight is nearly so devastating as the Great Blight of Dullness.&quot; 

Of course, I wonder how effective the &lt;em&gt;manipulated&lt;/em&gt; use of her ideas is? We have just endured the installation of one of those &quot;city street&quot; malls (urban planners/architects are welcome to provide actual nomenclature), in which fake-antique iron lamps are installed on red-brick streets along which a Wal-Mart shares space with small restaurants, coffee shops, liquor stores, hair salons, etcetera. The problem? You couldn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;walk&lt;/em&gt; to this place if you tried, as it&#039;s bound by major four-to-six lane streets. I suppose I like this set-up better than Minnesota&#039;s blight to American retail, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040315fa_fact1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the mall&lt;/a&gt;--and then &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mallofamerica.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mall&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;... but it&#039;s no substitute for the kind of organic life of a city like SF or NY (or Twin Cities experiments like Grand Avenue&#039;s dual-use zoning &amp; others in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.asu.edu/caed/proceedings01/RHEES/rhees.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;St. Paul&lt;/a&gt;).

Jacobs, typically, gave warning against such catastrophes (and also gave a nice precis of her thinking) in &lt;em&gt;Dark Age Ahead:&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Let things grow. Don&#039;t let currently powerful government or commercial enterprises strangle new departures, or alternatively gobble them as soon as they show indications of becoming economic successes. Stop trying to cram too many eggs in too few baskets under the keeping of too few supermen (who don&#039;t actually exist except in our &lt;em&gt;mythos&lt;/em&gt;).&quot;

Finally, as to Alexander: his &lt;em&gt;Notes on the Synthesis of Form&lt;/em&gt; is, to my mind, his best book (though I haven&#039;t read the new, even more expensive (!) than &lt;em&gt;Pattern Language&lt;/em&gt; volumes, series. &lt;em&gt;Notes&lt;/em&gt; is one of those little books, like Simon&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Sciences of the Artifical&lt;/em&gt; or Trow&#039;s &lt;em&gt;In the Context of No Context&lt;/em&gt; that make you weep, nearly, in appreciation for their compact intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, cian&#8212;89 is <em>damned</em> good innings (though a friend of mine, just through with his commercial insurance license, tells me actuarial charts for kids born now run into the 130s).</p>

	<p><em>Death and Life&#8230;</em> is a wonderful book, of course: chock full of observation/insight. Opening a page at random (p. 234), I see: &#8220;No special form of city blight is nearly so devastating as the Great Blight of Dullness.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Of course, I wonder how effective the <em>manipulated</em> use of her ideas is? We have just endured the installation of one of those &#8220;city street&#8221; malls (urban planners/architects are welcome to provide actual nomenclature), in which fake-antique iron lamps are installed on red-brick streets along which a Wal-Mart shares space with small restaurants, coffee shops, liquor stores, hair salons, etcetera. The problem? You couldn&#8217;t <em>walk</em> to this place if you tried, as it&#8217;s bound by major four-to-six lane streets. I suppose I like this set-up better than Minnesota&#8217;s blight to American retail, <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040315fa_fact1" rel="nofollow">the mall</a>&#8212;and then <em><a href="http://www.mallofamerica.com/" rel="nofollow">The Mall</a></em>&#8230; but it&#8217;s no substitute for the kind of organic life of a city like SF or <span class="caps">NY </span>(or Twin Cities experiments like Grand Avenue&#8217;s dual-use zoning &#038; others in <a href="http://www.asu.edu/caed/proceedings01/RHEES/rhees.htm" rel="nofollow">St. Paul</a>).</p>

	<p>Jacobs, typically, gave warning against such catastrophes (and also gave a nice precis of her thinking) in <em>Dark Age Ahead:</em></p>

	<p>&#8220;Let things grow. Don&#8217;t let currently powerful government or commercial enterprises strangle new departures, or alternatively gobble them as soon as they show indications of becoming economic successes. Stop trying to cram too many eggs in too few baskets under the keeping of too few supermen (who don&#8217;t actually exist except in our <em>mythos</em>).&#8221;</p>

	<p>Finally, as to Alexander: his <em>Notes on the Synthesis of Form</em> is, to my mind, his best book (though I haven&#8217;t read the new, even more expensive (!) than <em>Pattern Language</em> volumes, series. <em>Notes</em> is one of those little books, like Simon&#8217;s <em>The Sciences of the Artifical</em> or Trow&#8217;s <em>In the Context of No Context</em> that make you weep, nearly, in appreciation for their compact intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Wrenkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrenkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all the starchitecture in Toronto has been that bad. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocad.on.ca/about_ocad/campus.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OCAD&lt;/a&gt; building, while perhaps garish, is a practical solution that lets people from the street have access to the large park behind the school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not all the starchitecture in Toronto has been that bad. The <a href="http://www.ocad.on.ca/about_ocad/campus.htm" rel="nofollow"><span class="caps">OCAD</span></a> building, while perhaps garish, is a practical solution that lets people from the street have access to the large park behind the school.</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The author identified Christopher Alexander’s work as the logical next step&lt;/i&gt;

I was going to mention &quot;A Pattern Language&quot; as the other book that has most infouenced the way I think about cities and the built environment. So, yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The author identified Christopher Alexander&#8217;s work as the logical next step</i></p>

	<p>I was going to mention &#8220;A Pattern Language&#8221; as the other book that has most infouenced the way I think about cities and the built environment. So, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet at the same time as it is said that &quot;the conventional wisdom has never recovered,&quot; we have an explosion of &#039;starchitecture&#039; from Gehry, Koolhaas et al which largely ignore Jacobs&#039; perspective on  cities by focusiing on the visual (freakish preferred) appearance of individual buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yet at the same time as it is said that &#8220;the conventional wisdom has never recovered,&#8221; we have an explosion of &#8216;starchitecture&#8217; from Gehry, Koolhaas et al which largely ignore Jacobs&#8217; perspective on  cities by focusiing on the visual (freakish preferred) appearance of individual buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: Cian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad news in that she was a brilliant thinker/writer - but 89 is a pretty good innings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sad news in that she was a brilliant thinker/writer &#8211; but 89 is a pretty good innings.</p>
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		<title>By: albertchampion</title>
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		<dc:creator>albertchampion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADIOS,JANE.

your insights into the amerikan metropolis were spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">ADIOS</span>,JANE.</p>

	<p>your insights into the amerikan metropolis were spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a book called &quot;Architecture In a Crowded World&quot; sitting next to me.  It&#039;s from 1970 but I think its summary of her legacy is still right on: &quot;the conventional wisdom has never recovered.&quot;

(The author identified Christopher Alexander&#039;s work as the logical next step, which is interesting, although I don&#039;t know anything about his impact outside of software development.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have a book called &#8220;Architecture In a Crowded World&#8221; sitting next to me.  It&#8217;s from 1970 but I think its summary of her legacy is still right on: &#8220;the conventional wisdom has never recovered.&#8221;</p>

	<p>(The author identified Christopher Alexander&#8217;s work as the logical next step, which is interesting, although I don&#8217;t know anything about his impact outside of software development.)</p>
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		<title>By: rented mule</title>
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		<dc:creator>rented mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the &quot;Note on Illustrations&quot; that opens The Death and Life:

&quot;The scenes that illustrate this book are all about us.  For illustrations, please look closely at real cities.  While you are looking, you might as well also listen, linger and think about what you see.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>from the &#8220;Note on Illustrations&#8221; that opens The Death and Life:</p>

	<p>&#8220;The scenes that illustrate this book are all about us.  For illustrations, please look closely at real cities.  While you are looking, you might as well also listen, linger and think about what you see.&#8221; </p>
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