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		<title>By: Paul Gowder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153912</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda like the Marx novel quote!  C&#039;mon, you can&#039;t tell me that the giant/mud line isn&#039;t better than anything RAND&#039;s ever written.  (Not that this is saying much, mind.)

(Then again, I kinda like &lt;i&gt;Free Will&lt;/i&gt;.  And I&#039;d pay good money to see a movie of Illuminatus!  But Rand?  Has anyone ever successfully gotten through all of Atlas Shrugged?  I personally didn&#039;t make it through chapter 1.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I kinda like the Marx novel quote!  C&#8217;mon, you can&#8217;t tell me that the giant/mud line isn&#8217;t better than anything <span class="caps">RAND</span>&#8217;s ever written.  (Not that this is saying much, mind.)</p>

	<p>(Then again, I kinda like <i>Free Will</i>.  And I&#8217;d pay good money to see a movie of Illuminatus!  But Rand?  Has anyone ever successfully gotten through all of Atlas Shrugged?  I personally didn&#8217;t make it through chapter 1.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 11:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a recommendation: S.S.Prawer&#039;s Karl Marx and World Literature.</description>
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		<title>By: Danny Yee</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153812</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just written a review of Peter Weiss&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://dannyreviews.com/h/Aesthetics_Resistance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Aesthetics of Resistance&lt;/a&gt;.  If you&#039;re after a communist political novel, that&#039;s pretty damn good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve just written a review of Peter Weiss&#8217; <a href="http://dannyreviews.com/h/Aesthetics_Resistance.html" rel="nofollow">The Aesthetics of Resistance</a>.  If you&#8217;re after a communist political novel, that&#8217;s pretty damn good!</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan Kehoe</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153811</link>
		<dc:creator>Aidan Kehoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ahh, free market philistinism. Rand would be proud.&lt;/i&gt;

So your peculiar brand of literary criticism has no respect for the tastes of wider society? Good for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Ahh, free market philistinism. Rand would be proud.</i></p>

	<p>So your peculiar brand of literary criticism has no respect for the tastes of wider society? Good for you!</p>
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		<title>By: vivian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153800</link>
		<dc:creator>vivian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like #46, after the Illuminati trilogy, much loved, I had to read Atlas Shrugged - declare anything unreadable to a certain type of fifteen year old guarantees at least one attempt. I found Rand&#039;s obsessions amusing, and the book passed the time (though less well than most things I read by choice, but I read fast). 

Imagine my shock when in college I met people who took that stuff seriously, even considered it a workable politics. Kept far away from them, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Like #46, after the Illuminati trilogy, much loved, I had to read Atlas Shrugged &#8211; declare anything unreadable to a certain type of fifteen year old guarantees at least one attempt. I found Rand&#8217;s obsessions amusing, and the book passed the time (though less well than most things I read by choice, but I read fast).</p>

	<p>Imagine my shock when in college I met people who took that stuff seriously, even considered it a workable politics. Kept far away from them, though.</p>
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		<title>By: RETARDO</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153779</link>
		<dc:creator>RETARDO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would submit that inherent in the “Great Writer” thing is that enough people should read the writer’s work that writing it would be worth the time.&lt;/i&gt;

Ahh, free market philistinism. Rand would be proud.

Anyway, it is my understanding that Neil Peart disavowed randianism -- like most people enamored with Rand, he grew up and then out of the affliction. so far as I know, he&#039;s not even libertarian anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I would submit that inherent in the &#8220;Great Writer&#8221; thing is that enough people should read the writer&#8217;s work that writing it would be worth the time.</i></p>

	<p>Ahh, free market philistinism. Rand would be proud.</p>

	<p>Anyway, it is my understanding that Neil Peart disavowed randianism&#8212;like most people enamored with Rand, he grew up and then out of the affliction. so far as I know, he&#8217;s not even libertarian anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I would submit that inherent in the “Great Writer” thing is that enough people should read the writer’s work that writing it would be worth the time.&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t Melville die in poverty, or something like that? Admittedly he had some bestsellers, but his Great Novel wasn&#039;t read that widely in his lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I would submit that inherent in the &#8220;Great Writer&#8221; thing is that enough people should read the writer&#8217;s work that writing it would be worth the time.</i></p>

	<p>Didn&#8217;t Melville die in poverty, or something like that? Admittedly he had some bestsellers, but his Great Novel wasn&#8217;t read that widely in his lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 13:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The phrases “A good novel” and “the political speech which dominates pages 950-980” would seem to cancel each other out.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, &lt;i&gt;Native Son&lt;/i&gt; also has a thirty page political speech at the end and it is a very good novel indeed (it&#039;s a rather better political speech than the one in Atlas Shrugged, mainly because the protagonist doesn&#039;t have the burden of also having to give a primer in Rand&#039;s slightly odd epistemology).

&lt;i&gt;I’ll admit first, so you’ll have something to sneer at: I read Atlas Shrugged. I was 18, immature, insecure, and had a long commute in the summer.&lt;/i&gt;

I read it last month and have no excuses at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The phrases &#8220;A good novel&#8221; and &#8220;the political speech which dominates pages 950-980&#8221; would seem to cancel each other out.</i></p>

	<p>Well, <i>Native Son</i> also has a thirty page political speech at the end and it is a very good novel indeed (it&#8217;s a rather better political speech than the one in Atlas Shrugged, mainly because the protagonist doesn&#8217;t have the burden of also having to give a primer in Rand&#8217;s slightly odd epistemology).</p>

	<p><i>I&#8217;ll admit first, so you&#8217;ll have something to sneer at: I read Atlas Shrugged. I was 18, immature, insecure, and had a long commute in the summer.</i></p>

	<p>I read it last month and have no excuses at all.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/scorpion-and-felix-2/comment-page-2/#comment-153756</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 11:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;A country is in an inexorable economic decline, social tensions are rising, and a bureaucratic elite tries to keep things together with daily bureaucratic dictats that range from the ineffective to the absurd, while gingerly trying not to provoke popular backlashes that are also farcical.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1584451203/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Alongside Night&#039;&lt;/a&gt; which I approached with some trepidation, after seeing the reference to Rand on the cover seems likely to be much better (it is a hell ofg a lot shoreter for one) - as indeed did Jack London in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1905432291/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;The Iron Heel&#039;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>A country is in an inexorable economic decline, social tensions are rising, and a bureaucratic elite tries to keep things together with daily bureaucratic dictats that range from the ineffective to the absurd, while gingerly trying not to provoke popular backlashes that are also farcical.</em></p>

	<p><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1584451203/" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Alongside Night&#8217;</a> which I approached with some trepidation, after seeing the reference to Rand on the cover seems likely to be much better (it is a hell ofg a lot shoreter for one) &#8211; as indeed did Jack London in <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1905432291/" rel="nofollow">&#8216;The Iron Heel&#8217;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan Kehoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan Kehoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Marx was in fact a ‘great writer.’ That’s part of his definition&lt;/i&gt;

Firstly, he was bad at writing German. He interspersed his manuscripts at random with other languages, signally failing to care whether his reader understood what he wrote; what he writes on Victorian society is certainly thorough, true, and scathing, but what he writes on what would succeed it is, essentially, fevered rambling.

Secondly, he failed to make a living as a writer; he died in debt, despite Engels regularly stealing sums from his family&#039;s cotton factory and supporting him on it. I would submit that inherent in the “Great Writer” thing is that enough people should read the writer&#039;s work that writing it would be worth the time. Even Communists didn&#039;t read Marx if they could at all avoid it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Marx was in fact a &#8216;great writer.&#8217; That&#8217;s part of his definition</i></p>

	<p>Firstly, he was bad at writing German. He interspersed his manuscripts at random with other languages, signally failing to care whether his reader understood what he wrote; what he writes on Victorian society is certainly thorough, true, and scathing, but what he writes on what would succeed it is, essentially, fevered rambling.</p>

	<p>Secondly, he failed to make a living as a writer; he died in debt, despite Engels regularly stealing sums from his family&#8217;s cotton factory and supporting him on it. I would submit that inherent in the &#8220;Great Writer&#8221; thing is that enough people should read the writer&#8217;s work that writing it would be worth the time. Even Communists didn&#8217;t read Marx if they could at all avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: jez b</title>
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		<dc:creator>jez b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 08:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to support all those who said &#039;the Fountainhead&#039; is a good book - nay, a great book. I read it when I was about 20 and was so enamoured of it I bought the gf a copy too. So, does that mean I was an immature 20 year old? Can&#039;t say I know anything about RUSH however...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just wanted to support all those who said &#8216;the Fountainhead&#8217; is a good book &#8211; nay, a great book. I read it when I was about 20 and was so enamoured of it I bought the gf a copy too. So, does that mean I was an immature 20 year old? Can&#8217;t say I know anything about <span class="caps">RUSH</span> however&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Omri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll admit first, so you&#039;ll have something to sneer at: I read &lt;i&gt;Atlas Shrugged.&lt;/i&gt; I was 18, immature, insecure, and had a long commute in the summer. And while the book was unreadable to anyone who had read enough better books, it was eminently readable to anyone who hadn&#039;t, since unlike Marx, Ayn Rand&#039;s sentences were about as complex as a football announcer&#039;s. 

&lt;b&gt;But&lt;/b&gt;...

Read the news lately, anyone? A country is in an inexorable economic decline, social tensions are rising, and a bureaucratic elite tries to keep things together with daily bureaucratic dictats that range from the ineffective to the absurd, while gingerly trying not to provoke popular backlashes that are also farcical. Sure seems to ring a bell.

It doesn&#039;t make Ayn Rand into a prophet. It just shows Odin is sleeping off a mead binge and Loki is taking a vacation in France. And boy, does that trickster god have a twisted sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll admit first, so you&#8217;ll have something to sneer at: I read <i>Atlas Shrugged.</i> I was 18, immature, insecure, and had a long commute in the summer. And while the book was unreadable to anyone who had read enough better books, it was eminently readable to anyone who hadn&#8217;t, since unlike Marx, Ayn Rand&#8217;s sentences were about as complex as a football announcer&#8217;s.</p>

	<p><b>But</b>&#8230;</p>

	<p>Read the news lately, anyone? A country is in an inexorable economic decline, social tensions are rising, and a bureaucratic elite tries to keep things together with daily bureaucratic dictats that range from the ineffective to the absurd, while gingerly trying not to provoke popular backlashes that are also farcical. Sure seems to ring a bell.</p>

	<p>It doesn&#8217;t make Ayn Rand into a prophet. It just shows Odin is sleeping off a mead binge and Loki is taking a vacation in France. And boy, does that trickster god have a twisted sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: almostinfamous</title>
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		<dc:creator>almostinfamous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 03:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dudes, ladies, gents and whatever other kind of people read this here blog.

if you happen by the IMDB page for atlas shrugged and click on the name james v. hart, it will lead you to the screenwriter of (among other things) T&amp;A Academy 2, hook and dracula. 

if that doesn;t give credit to the &#039;movie as parody of the book&#039; theory, i don&#039;t know what will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dudes, ladies, gents and whatever other kind of people read this here blog.</p>

	<p>if you happen by the <span class="caps">IMDB</span> page for atlas shrugged and click on the name james v. hart, it will lead you to the screenwriter of (among other things) T&#038;A Academy 2, hook and dracula.</p>

	<p>if that doesn;t give credit to the &#8216;movie as parody of the book&#8217; theory, i don&#8217;t know what will.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Edenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx was in fact a &#039;great writer.&#039;
That&#039;s part of his definition</description>
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That&#8217;s part of his definition</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Edenbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marx was one of the 19th century writers whose ideas encouraged generations of ideologues.
Rand was an ideologue who couldn&#039;t write.

It really doesn&#039;t matter that he wrote lousy a lousy novel, he was still &#039;a writer&#039; and saw himself as part of that tradition. I remember arguing with Henry about Marx&#039;s determinism, but Marx was a craftsman who used his craft to argue for a logic. That contradiction is lost in the 20th century, where intellectuals disdained craft and craftsmen.
I&#039;ve gotten in fights here with people who&#039;ve argued that science makes literature besides the point. 

And Marx could recite pages and pages of Shakespeare from memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Marx was one of the 19th century writers whose ideas encouraged generations of ideologues.<br />
Rand was an ideologue who couldn&#8217;t write.</p>

	<p>It really doesn&#8217;t matter that he wrote lousy a lousy novel, he was still &#8216;a writer&#8217; and saw himself as part of that tradition. I remember arguing with Henry about Marx&#8217;s determinism, but Marx was a craftsman who used his craft to argue for a logic. That contradiction is lost in the 20th century, where intellectuals disdained craft and craftsmen.<br />
I&#8217;ve gotten in fights here with people who&#8217;ve argued that science makes literature besides the point.</p>

	<p>And Marx could recite pages and pages of Shakespeare from memory.</p>
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