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		<title>By: markg</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153839</link>
		<dc:creator>markg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Condi tossing the honor and dignity of the United States off a building?  Would that hypothetical (but metaphorically accurate) example be inappropriate too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How about Condi tossing the honor and dignity of the United States off a building?  Would that hypothetical (but metaphorically accurate) example be inappropriate too?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153813</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condeleeza holds a captured (but not charged, tried or convicted) terrorist suspect just over the edge of the 300-foot Federal Building...and Rumsfeld says that&#039;s okay with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Condeleeza holds a captured (but not charged, tried or convicted) terrorist suspect just over the edge of the 300-foot Federal Building&#8230;and Rumsfeld says that&#8217;s okay with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Reuland</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153745</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Reuland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly person.  Squash is a fruit.  Heck, it&#039;s even a melon.  

And don&#039;t try to tell me it was all just a joke; you can&#039;t hide your ignornance through that tired trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Silly person.  Squash is a fruit.  Heck, it&#8217;s even a melon.</p>

	<p>And don&#8217;t try to tell me it was all just a joke; you can&#8217;t hide your ignornance through that tired trick.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153744</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q. How do you turn a fruit into a vegetable?

A. Throw a watermelon into the air and it comes down squash!

The watermelon attains an altitude of 306.25 feet and, 5 seconds after Condoleeza tossed it, impacts the pavement at 140 feet per second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Q. How do you turn a fruit into a vegetable?</p>

	<p>A. Throw a watermelon into the air and it comes down squash!</p>

	<p>The watermelon attains an altitude of 306.25 feet and, 5 seconds after Condoleeza tossed it, impacts the pavement at 140 feet per second.</p>
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		<title>By: goatchowder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153724</link>
		<dc:creator>goatchowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole world has gone bat-shit crazy.

That is all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The whole world has gone bat-shit crazy.</p>

	<p>That is all.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153723</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Post 4 – 6: Aha. And I have six years in the States and thought I was somewhat familiar with Americanisms…… Always something new to learn.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s interesting--I doubt my high-school aged American kids are aware of the racist connotations of watermelon either.  On the one hand, many of these are disappearing from public consciousness (and that&#039;s a good thing).  On the other hand, there&#039;s an expectation that everyone should somehow be exquisitely sensitive to all these potential land-mines and that ignorance is an unlikely explanation for any miscue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Post 4 &#8211; 6: Aha. And I have six years in the States and thought I was somewhat familiar with Americanisms&#8230;&#8230; Always something new to learn.</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s interesting&#8212;I doubt my high-school aged American kids are aware of the racist connotations of watermelon either.  On the one hand, many of these are disappearing from public consciousness (and that&#8217;s a good thing).  On the other hand, there&#8217;s an expectation that everyone should somehow be exquisitely sensitive to all these potential land-mines and that ignorance is an unlikely explanation for any miscue.</p>
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		<title>By: Slocum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153715</link>
		<dc:creator>Slocum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar event at the local high school.  Recently &#039;Parade Magazine&#039; published their &#039;what people earn&#039; issue.  One of the people featured inside was a local (black female) English teacher.  Another (white male) teacher cut her picture out of the inside of the magazine, pasted it on the cover over the top of the first of the wallet-sized &#039;what people earn&#039; photos on the cover -- in other words, in what he thought was a place of honor.  He then pinned it on a bulletin board.  But, unfortunately for the thoughtful but unsuspecting teacher #2, the main feature on the cover of the magazine was...King Kong.  You can well imagine that the shock of the juxtaposition was so great that teacher #1 went on &#039;medical leave&#039;, and teacher #2 has been sentenced to diversity re-education camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Similar event at the local high school.  Recently &#8216;Parade Magazine&#8217; published their &#8216;what people earn&#8217; issue.  One of the people featured inside was a local (black female) English teacher.  Another (white male) teacher cut her picture out of the inside of the magazine, pasted it on the cover over the top of the first of the wallet-sized &#8216;what people earn&#8217; photos on the cover&#8212;in other words, in what he thought was a place of honor.  He then pinned it on a bulletin board.  But, unfortunately for the thoughtful but unsuspecting teacher #2, the main feature on the cover of the magazine was&#8230;King Kong.  You can well imagine that the shock of the juxtaposition was so great that teacher #1 went on &#8216;medical leave&#8217;, and teacher #2 has been sentenced to diversity re-education camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Espen</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153706</link>
		<dc:creator>Espen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post 4 - 6: Aha. And I have six years in the States and thought I was somewhat familiar with Americanisms...... Always something new to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Post 4 &#8211; 6: Aha. And I have six years in the States and thought I was somewhat familiar with Americanisms&#8230;&#8230; Always something new to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invented first names are also associated with black people, especially black women. Saturday Night Live once did a skit on the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Invented first names are also associated with black people, especially black women. Saturday Night Live once did a skit on the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: KCinDC</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153702</link>
		<dc:creator>KCinDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Condoleez[z]a is a name typically associated with black women.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that true? I only know of one black woman, or person of any kind, named Condoleezza, and since her mother invented the name I doubt there are any others unless they&#039;re named after her (in which case they&#039;re probably not old enough to be women).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote><i>Condoleez[z]a is a name typically associated with black women.</i></blockquote></p>

	<p>Is that true? I only know of one black woman, or person of any kind, named Condoleezza, and since her mother invented the name I doubt there are any others unless they&#8217;re named after her (in which case they&#8217;re probably not old enough to be women).</p>
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		<title>By: bi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153693</link>
		<dc:creator>bi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amitabha. Hatred breeds hatred, which in turn breeds even more hatred. How can one break out of this cycle of hatred? By following the Eightfold Path. Amitabha.

:-B

Anyway, what&#039;s Malkin&#039;s response?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amitabha. Hatred breeds hatred, which in turn breeds even more hatred. How can one break out of this cycle of hatred? By following the Eightfold Path. Amitabha.</p>

	<p>:-B</p>

	<p>Anyway, what&#8217;s Malkin&#8217;s response?</p>
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		<title>By: dipnut</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153686</link>
		<dc:creator>dipnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Espen,

As a footnote to 4 and 6, I&#039;d like to add that with regard to identity politics in America, the patients run the asylum.

Oh crap, now they&#039;ll bust me for disparaging Persons Of Alternative Mentation!

Gotta go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Espen,</p>

	<p>As a footnote to 4 and 6, I&#8217;d like to add that with regard to identity politics in America, the patients run the asylum.</p>

	<p>Oh crap, now they&#8217;ll bust me for disparaging Persons Of Alternative Mentation!</p>

	<p>Gotta go.</p>
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		<title>By: alkali</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153684</link>
		<dc:creator>alkali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>espen:  

The reference is to Condoleeza Rice, the U.S. Secretary of State who happens to be African-American, and to a stereotype that African-Americans are fond of watermelon.

That bit is not disparaging in itself, of course -- there&#039;s nothing wrong with liking watermelon -- but it ties in to a bunch of other antiquated stereotypes about African-Americans (simple-minded, happiest when doing agricultural labor, etc.) that people do find offensive.</description>
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	<p>The reference is to Condoleeza Rice, the U.S. Secretary of State who happens to be African-American, and to a stereotype that African-Americans are fond of watermelon.</p>

	<p>That bit is not disparaging in itself, of course&#8212;there&#8217;s nothing wrong with liking watermelon&#8212;but it ties in to a bunch of other antiquated stereotypes about African-Americans (simple-minded, happiest when doing agricultural labor, etc.) that people do find offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: joel turnipseed</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153683</link>
		<dc:creator>joel turnipseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>espen: google &quot;racism&quot; + &quot;watermelon&quot; &amp; see what you turn up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>espen: google &#8220;racism&#8221; + &#8220;watermelon&#8221; &#038; see what you turn up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/04/28/unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-153682</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>espen: Condoleeza is a name typically associated with black women.  Watermelon is a fruit stereotypically associated with black people.  It&#039;s also round(ish), so it&#039;s good for physics problems.    However, the stereotypical watermelon-eating black person is often associated with some very negative impressions of blacks.

If Condoleeza had thrown a snow-globe containing pictures of Iraqi prisoners being mistreated by soldiers in the air at 20 f/s, there would have been no potential interpretation of racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>espen: Condoleeza is a name typically associated with black women.  Watermelon is a fruit stereotypically associated with black people.  It&#8217;s also round(ish), so it&#8217;s good for physics problems.    However, the stereotypical watermelon-eating black person is often associated with some very negative impressions of blacks.</p>

	<p>If Condoleeza had thrown a snow-globe containing pictures of Iraqi prisoners being mistreated by soldiers in the air at 20 f/s, there would have been no potential interpretation of racism.</p>
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