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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/02/journalists-v-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-154367</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 09:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger: Re The Guardian. They recently announced that Guardian Unlimited is actually profitable (although quite how they are allocating costs is another matter).

Take away the costs of newsprint, presses and distribution (distribution costs are huge. Very little of the cover price makes its way back to the bottom line) and it might (might, please) be possible to maintain a 500 strong crew on the back of the internet advertising alone. But that would require that they manage to keep the current print style ad rates, not the $1 per 000 internet ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ginger: Re The Guardian. They recently announced that Guardian Unlimited is actually profitable (although quite how they are allocating costs is another matter).</p>

	<p>Take away the costs of newsprint, presses and distribution (distribution costs are huge. Very little of the cover price makes its way back to the bottom line) and it might (might, please) be possible to maintain a 500 strong crew on the back of the internet advertising alone. But that would require that they manage to keep the current print style ad rates, not the $1 per 000 internet ones.</p>
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		<title>By: cfk</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/02/journalists-v-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-154333</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 May 2006 02:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anyone from the press is reading this...and I am sorry to have come so late to the discussion...my three adult married children who are college graduates (2) and still taking classes (1) do not read or subscribe to newspapers.

They are intelligent people, but they are trying to earn enough money to stay alive, have a home and raise a child.  They don&#039;t even have time for TV.  The corporate world should think about this when they put out advertising. Sadly, they don&#039;t have time for blogging, either.

My husband and I still buy the local papers for local news and columnists.  (I stopped watching TV a long time ago.)

My hometown paper, The Flint Journal,(Michigan) has a lot of different views expressed by columnists, cartoons, letters to the editor and unsigned small letters from readers. I appreciate this very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In case anyone from the press is reading this&#8230;and I am sorry to have come so late to the discussion&#8230;my three adult married children who are college graduates (2) and still taking classes (1) do not read or subscribe to newspapers.</p>

	<p>They are intelligent people, but they are trying to earn enough money to stay alive, have a home and raise a child.  They don&#8217;t even have time for TV.  The corporate world should think about this when they put out advertising. Sadly, they don&#8217;t have time for blogging, either.</p>

	<p>My husband and I still buy the local papers for local news and columnists.  (I stopped watching TV a long time ago.)</p>

	<p>My hometown paper, The Flint Journal,(Michigan) has a lot of different views expressed by columnists, cartoons, letters to the editor and unsigned small letters from readers. I appreciate this very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Fade</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 21:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers should be scared of bloggers. Blogs and the Net are why I cancelled my subscriptions even to magazines like Newsweek. Newspapers are full of irrelevant, sedate, watered down horseshit, much like Fox news. If I want a Corporate sponsors dictating the news to me, I will pick up a paper. If I want to know whats going on- I will hit the net. End of story. Who needs Newspapers and their increasingly error-filled and outright incorrect AP stories? Not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Newspapers should be scared of bloggers. Blogs and the Net are why I cancelled my subscriptions even to magazines like Newsweek. Newspapers are full of irrelevant, sedate, watered down horseshit, much like Fox news. If I want a Corporate sponsors dictating the news to me, I will pick up a paper. If I want to know whats going on- I will hit the net. End of story. Who needs Newspapers and their increasingly error-filled and outright incorrect AP stories? Not me.</p>
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		<title>By: gmoke</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/02/journalists-v-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-154299</link>
		<dc:creator>gmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spend most Tuesday mornings at the Shorenstein Center for their &quot;brown bag lunches&quot; with major journos and minor academics and I&#039;ve been doing it for years.  The way things work at the Shorenstein is that a name journo loses a job (Connie Chung leaves CBS, Walter Shapiro loses his column at USA Today, Rick Kaplan is booted from ABc/NBC/CBS/CNN...) and they head to the Shorenstein for a three month fellowship and write a paper or do a study.  Retired journos like Marvin Kalb and Alex Jones become the dean and everything is very intradig and clubby, donchaknow.

There is real fear at the slow motion implosion of the newspaper world and will be more fear as the network television world also begins to implode.  There is jealousy and fear of bloggers as they are perceived as piggy-backing upon the work of REAL reporters and throwing mud at working journos like Judy Miller (well, maybe not Judy Miller anymore but let&#039;s not admit that the bloggers may have got that right).  There&#039;s fear and disgust that readers can reach out and criticize working reporters and columnists (Daniel Okrent who named a supposedly abusive reader in print as the public editor at the NYTimes was a fellow at the Shorenstein this Spring).

These folks are living within their bubble, although it&#039;s getting a little tight, and look out beyond that comfort zone only with a massive push.  They don&#039;t understand the technology, the culture, or the new rules and are shocked that these new kids on the block are not conforming to their ideas of courtesy and commity.

Doyle McManus of the LA Times spoke at the Shorenstein recently and said that the current business model of newspapers has maybe another 20 years of life left in it.  I was astonished.  By my estimation, newspapers as currently constituted have five or ten years at most.  Ellen Hume, ex-Wall Street Journal now teaching at UMass Boston, is one who is looking around for the next wave but she is one of the few.  These days, I buy only a Sunday paper and that&#039;s mostly for the coupons and the comics.

BTW, Craig of Craig&#039;s List is starting a news service.  Yahoo has hired at least one accredited reporter.  Jimmy Wales of wikipedia is developing an online model for wikinews in a variety of languages.  Others around and about are developing other models of collaborative journalism.  Joshua Micah Marshall is actually making money doing online news with the Talking Points Memo sites (tpmcafe and tpmmuckraker).  Whether anybody at the Shorenstein is paying attention is highly debatable even though folks down the street at the Berkman Center of Harvard Law School are doing citizen journalism on a world-wide basis.

Hell, when I mention Riverbend or John Robb&#039;s Global Guerrillas at the Shorenstein, there are people who reach for their pens because they haven&#039;t heard those names before.  But they sure have comfortable cocktail parties.

For my money, the most interesting development is dailykos and the flourishing activist community there.  I doubt anyone at the Shorenstein is paying attention or can understand just what Kos has done.  Look at the way the mainline journos misconstrued the Dean&#039;s internet campaign.  They ain&#039;t larned nothing since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I spend most Tuesday mornings at the Shorenstein Center for their &#8220;brown bag lunches&#8221; with major journos and minor academics and I&#8217;ve been doing it for years.  The way things work at the Shorenstein is that a name journo loses a job (Connie Chung leaves <span class="caps">CBS</span>, Walter Shapiro loses his column at <span class="caps">USA </span>Today, Rick Kaplan is booted from ABc/NBC/CBS/CNN&#8230;) and they head to the Shorenstein for a three month fellowship and write a paper or do a study.  Retired journos like Marvin Kalb and Alex Jones become the dean and everything is very intradig and clubby, donchaknow.</p>

	<p>There is real fear at the slow motion implosion of the newspaper world and will be more fear as the network television world also begins to implode.  There is jealousy and fear of bloggers as they are perceived as piggy-backing upon the work of <span class="caps">REAL</span> reporters and throwing mud at working journos like Judy Miller (well, maybe not Judy Miller anymore but let&#8217;s not admit that the bloggers may have got that right).  There&#8217;s fear and disgust that readers can reach out and criticize working reporters and columnists (Daniel Okrent who named a supposedly abusive reader in print as the public editor at the NYTimes was a fellow at the Shorenstein this Spring).</p>

	<p>These folks are living within their bubble, although it&#8217;s getting a little tight, and look out beyond that comfort zone only with a massive push.  They don&#8217;t understand the technology, the culture, or the new rules and are shocked that these new kids on the block are not conforming to their ideas of courtesy and commity.</p>

	<p>Doyle McManus of the <span class="caps">LA </span>Times spoke at the Shorenstein recently and said that the current business model of newspapers has maybe another 20 years of life left in it.  I was astonished.  By my estimation, newspapers as currently constituted have five or ten years at most.  Ellen Hume, ex-Wall Street Journal now teaching at UMass Boston, is one who is looking around for the next wave but she is one of the few.  These days, I buy only a Sunday paper and that&#8217;s mostly for the coupons and the comics.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">BTW</span>, Craig of Craig&#8217;s List is starting a news service.  Yahoo has hired at least one accredited reporter.  Jimmy Wales of wikipedia is developing an online model for wikinews in a variety of languages.  Others around and about are developing other models of collaborative journalism.  Joshua Micah Marshall is actually making money doing online news with the Talking Points Memo sites (tpmcafe and tpmmuckraker).  Whether anybody at the Shorenstein is paying attention is highly debatable even though folks down the street at the Berkman Center of Harvard Law School are doing citizen journalism on a world-wide basis.</p>

	<p>Hell, when I mention Riverbend or John Robb&#8217;s Global Guerrillas at the Shorenstein, there are people who reach for their pens because they haven&#8217;t heard those names before.  But they sure have comfortable cocktail parties.</p>

	<p>For my money, the most interesting development is dailykos and the flourishing activist community there.  I doubt anyone at the Shorenstein is paying attention or can understand just what Kos has done.  Look at the way the mainline journos misconstrued the Dean&#8217;s internet campaign.  They ain&#8217;t larned nothing since.</p>
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		<title>By: blogenfreude</title>
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		<dc:creator>blogenfreude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 18:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At Agitprop, we&#039;re asking a slightly different question - &lt;a href=&quot;http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2006/05/straighten_up_a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;what in the hell does the left blogosphere have to do to get some respect?&lt;/a&gt; (and to be as effective as the right-wing noise machine?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>At Agitprop, we&#8217;re asking a slightly different question &#8211; <a href="http://agitprop.typepad.com/agitprop/2006/05/straighten_up_a.html" rel="nofollow">what in the hell does the left blogosphere have to do to get some respect?</a> (and to be as effective as the right-wing noise machine?)</p>
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		<title>By: Grand Moff Texan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grand Moff Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;mments that some journalists have made about bloggers and blogging.&lt;/i&gt; 

Oh, just go ahead and say it:  they&#039;re just &lt;a href=&quot;http://soapblox.net/texaskos/showDiary.do?diaryId=179&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not very bright&lt;/a&gt;, as a rule. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>mments that some journalists have made about bloggers and blogging.</i></p>

	<p>Oh, just go ahead and say it:  they&#8217;re just <a href="http://soapblox.net/texaskos/showDiary.do?diaryId=179" rel="nofollow">not very bright</a>, as a rule.<br />
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, how do you explain the Guardian&#039;s approach then? They&#039;ve just spent £80m on new full colour presses and yet they&#039;ve also got probably the best, definitely the most interactive (ie blogesque) and the most visited newspaper website in Britain, if not the world. It has 25 times more internet readers than paper readers. Now they don&#039;t have the same shareholder pressures that other newspapers have, but they clearly think there&#039;s a future involving both print and the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Neil, how do you explain the Guardian&#8217;s approach then? They&#8217;ve just spent &#163;80m on new full colour presses and yet they&#8217;ve also got probably the best, definitely the most interactive (ie blogesque) and the most visited newspaper website in Britain, if not the world. It has 25 times more internet readers than paper readers. Now they don&#8217;t have the same shareholder pressures that other newspapers have, but they clearly think there&#8217;s a future involving both print and the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: axiom</title>
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		<dc:creator>axiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 17:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, the first one got away from me.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; If this kind of bait is not working, then they’ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Posted by abb1 • May 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 am


Well, they could try the truth, and standing up for what is just and right as well as the wellbeing of their country.
I never read the papers anymore or watch TV News except for Oberman, because it is all cheerleading, soft-pedaling of the issues and flat out blatant lies.
In my eyes and others as well, they have become complicit in the crimes off the Bush administration.
They could not have pulled this fiasco of a presidency, or war off with out the presses assistance, so they are as guilty as bush IMHO, and think they should also be tried if we ever get down to some serious prosecution of these dangerous clowns.
I think Bush threatening them with imprisonment for telling the truth and divulging the crimes of this administration does not wake them up then nothing will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry, the first one got away from me.</p>

	<p><blockquote cite=""> If this kind of bait is not working, then they&#8217;ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.</blockquote></p>

	<p>Posted by abb1 &#8226; May 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 am</p>


	<p>Well, they could try the truth, and standing up for what is just and right as well as the wellbeing of their country.<br />
I never read the papers anymore or watch <span class="caps">TV </span>News except for Oberman, because it is all cheerleading, soft-pedaling of the issues and flat out blatant lies.<br />
In my eyes and others as well, they have become complicit in the crimes off the Bush administration.<br />
They could not have pulled this fiasco of a presidency, or war off with out the presses assistance, so they are as guilty as bush <span class="caps">IMHO</span>, and think they should also be tried if we ever get down to some serious prosecution of these dangerous clowns.<br />
I think Bush threatening them with imprisonment for telling the truth and divulging the crimes of this administration does not wake them up then nothing will.</p>
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		<title>By: axiom</title>
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		<dc:creator>axiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;  If this kind of bait is not working, then they’ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote cite="">  If this kind of bait is not working, then they&#8217;ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.</blockquote><blockquote cite=""></blockquote></p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raison d’etre of a newspaper is to distribute advertisements and nothing else. They would gladly deliver your newspaper to you for free, but the advertizers insist that you pay a subscribtion to prove that you actually want &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; newspaper and not just paper to start your fireplace. Everything else: news, opinion, gossip, naked pictures, etc. is nothing but bait. If this kind of bait is not working, then they&#039;ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Raison d&#8217;etre of a newspaper is to distribute advertisements and nothing else. They would gladly deliver your newspaper to you for free, but the advertizers insist that you pay a subscribtion to prove that you actually want <i>this</i> newspaper and not just paper to start your fireplace. Everything else: news, opinion, gossip, naked pictures, etc. is nothing but bait. If this kind of bait is not working, then they&#8217;ll have to find some other bait; hide free scratch lottery tickets inside or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Sroka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Sroka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m not sure I agree with Henry on this one either. As Martin and others intimated early on, the fact remains that the vast majority of those under 25 can&#039;t fathom the idea of picking up a print copy of a newspaper (let alone purchasing a subscription to one), meaning that most news consumed by this group is electronic and typically of the free, digital variety.  Moreover with the high overhead of paying reporters and all that capital locked up in ugly, physical things like printing presses and newsprint, there&#039;s really no way a newspaper is ever going to be able to recoup the costs of distributing their product on the WWW and, given the miserable reaction to the Times Select push, there doesn&#039;t seem to be much room in the pay-to-view online newspaper category either.

While there probably aren&#039;t any simple answers and bloggers certainly aren&#039;t solely to blame for this predicament, I think its probably wrong to say that bloggers are only responsible, if they are at all, for the loss of the power and prestige of newspapers and newspaper writing.  Blogs, as one the latest in electronic alternatives, have necessarily taken way the eye balls and ink-covered hands that made newspapers profitable and thus also bare (some of the) responsibility for the real problems facing the newspaper industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not sure I agree with Henry on this one either. As Martin and others intimated early on, the fact remains that the vast majority of those under 25 can&#8217;t fathom the idea of picking up a print copy of a newspaper (let alone purchasing a subscription to one), meaning that most news consumed by this group is electronic and typically of the free, digital variety.  Moreover with the high overhead of paying reporters and all that capital locked up in ugly, physical things like printing presses and newsprint, there&#8217;s really no way a newspaper is ever going to be able to recoup the costs of distributing their product on the <span class="caps">WWW</span> and, given the miserable reaction to the Times Select push, there doesn&#8217;t seem to be much room in the pay-to-view online newspaper category either.</p>

	<p>While there probably aren&#8217;t any simple answers and bloggers certainly aren&#8217;t solely to blame for this predicament, I think its probably wrong to say that bloggers are only responsible, if they are at all, for the loss of the power and prestige of newspapers and newspaper writing.  Blogs, as one the latest in electronic alternatives, have necessarily taken way the eye balls and ink-covered hands that made newspapers profitable and thus also bare (some of the) responsibility for the real problems facing the newspaper industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Worstall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Worstall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger: Having lived in both countries (as well as others) I’d say that that last sentence applies to many more things than just newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ginger: Having lived in both countries (as well as others) I&#8217;d say that that last sentence applies to many more things than just newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 13:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There may be something to your theory, Tim. On the other hand political blogging is nowhere near as big in the UK as it is in the States, so there&#039;s much less ostensible threat. Also British newspapers tend not to be as stuck in the mud and full of themselves as the big American ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There may be something to your theory, Tim. On the other hand political blogging is nowhere near as big in the UK as it is in the States, so there&#8217;s much less ostensible threat. Also British newspapers tend not to be as stuck in the mud and full of themselves as the big American ones.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is that the business model for the 20th century newspaper has come apart.  It&#039;s not just the loss of advertising revenue.  It&#039;s the whole &lt;i&gt;raison d&#039;etre&lt;/i&gt;.  The newspaper exists to bundle and distribute streams of content which could not economically be distributed individually:  news, opinion, gossip, entertainment listings, reviews, comics, advertisements, sports predictions and results, Wall Street closing prices and more.  Which of these streams motivates an individual purchaser to buy the newspaper is idiosyncratic to the purchaser, but in aggregate the collection motivates enough people to make the newspaper economically viable.

But these streams have now become separable.  News has been viably separately distributed for a while now; in fact most people get their news from television rather than newspapers; Fox and CNN are profitable entities.  ESPN has taken over sports.  The net, largely, the rest. Different parts of the net, different streams:  craigslist, ebay and monster.com advertisements, political bloggers political opinion, mommy-bloggers (if you&#039;ll forgive the expression) women&#039;s page opinion, &quot;features.&quot;

So demand for the bundle is shrinking.  Perhaps only partly due to blogs.  And newspaper employees are aware that shrinking demand means newsroom layoffs.  So naturally they&#039;re upset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My theory is that the business model for the 20th century newspaper has come apart.  It&#8217;s not just the loss of advertising revenue.  It&#8217;s the whole <i>raison d&#8217;etre</i>.  The newspaper exists to bundle and distribute streams of content which could not economically be distributed individually:  news, opinion, gossip, entertainment listings, reviews, comics, advertisements, sports predictions and results, Wall Street closing prices and more.  Which of these streams motivates an individual purchaser to buy the newspaper is idiosyncratic to the purchaser, but in aggregate the collection motivates enough people to make the newspaper economically viable.</p>

	<p>But these streams have now become separable.  News has been viably separately distributed for a while now; in fact most people get their news from television rather than newspapers; Fox and <span class="caps">CNN</span> are profitable entities.  <span class="caps">ESPN</span> has taken over sports.  The net, largely, the rest. Different parts of the net, different streams:  craigslist, ebay and monster.com advertisements, political bloggers political opinion, mommy-bloggers (if you&#8217;ll forgive the expression) women&#8217;s page opinion, &#8220;features.&#8221;</p>

	<p>So demand for the bundle is shrinking.  Perhaps only partly due to blogs.  And newspaper employees are aware that shrinking demand means newsroom layoffs.  So naturally they&#8217;re upset.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/02/journalists-v-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-154212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 12:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a blog, but what&#039;s the matter with covering school board meetings? That&#039;s a &quot;barrier to entry?&quot; It would be great if punditry bloggers (and I presume that&#039;s what we&#039;re talking about here when going on about the evangelizing--blogs predate them, as a medium) would actually go out and watch government at work at the lowest levels. Then they wouldn&#039;t be talking out of their hineys so much.

But herein lies the problem: Who wants to cover a city council meeting when you don&#039;t get paid anything for doing it? 

Now, Marshall and Co. are doing some real reporting, although too much of the TMP Cafe material is just more punditry (from Ivy League law school grads and whatnot--it&#039;s the New Republic model transferred to the Internet). We&#039;re awash in punditry, drowning in it. But who&#039;s going to pay you to cover the less sexy stuff? Where will you get non-DC material for a blog if a newspaper doesn&#039;t cover it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have a blog, but what&#8217;s the matter with covering school board meetings? That&#8217;s a &#8220;barrier to entry?&#8221; It would be great if punditry bloggers (and I presume that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re talking about here when going on about the evangelizing&#8212;blogs predate them, as a medium) would actually go out and watch government at work at the lowest levels. Then they wouldn&#8217;t be talking out of their hineys so much.</p>

	<p>But herein lies the problem: Who wants to cover a city council meeting when you don&#8217;t get paid anything for doing it?</p>

	<p>Now, Marshall and Co. are doing some real reporting, although too much of the <span class="caps">TMP </span>Cafe material is just more punditry (from Ivy League law school grads and whatnot&#8212;it&#8217;s the New Republic model transferred to the Internet). We&#8217;re awash in punditry, drowning in it. But who&#8217;s going to pay you to cover the less sexy stuff? Where will you get non-DC material for a blog if a newspaper doesn&#8217;t cover it?</p>
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