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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Laptop bleg update</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/12/laptop-choice-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-155921</link>
		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Laptop bleg update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 13:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thanks to all for their advice . I&#8217;ve just ordered a MacBook (white, 13 inch, 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo, with 1 gig of memory and an 80 gig hard drive). posted on Tuesday, May 16th, 2006 at 8:39 am      Post a comment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Thanks to all for their advice . I&#8217;ve just ordered a MacBook (white, 13 inch, 2.0GHz Intel Core Duo, with 1 gig of memory and an 80 gig hard drive). posted on Tuesday, May 16th, 2006 at 8:39 am      Post a comment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/12/laptop-choice-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-155658</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will do! I&#039;m inclining to Apple but waiting to see what -- if anything -- they announce next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Will do! I&#8217;m inclining to Apple but waiting to see what&#8212;if anything&#8212;they announce next week.</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Chris, please do let us know what you choose, and what you think of it after you&#039;ve used it for a few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>By the way, Chris, please do let us know what you choose, and what you think of it after you&#8217;ve used it for a few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (Ethesis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M (Ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 23:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to give a bit of contrarian advice ...

First, check out your eyes.  What size screen do you need?

Second, check out your fingers.  What keyboards can you live with.

Third, check out your arms.  What weight can you live with?

Then, consider the cheapest laptop that fits those three limits.  Carry something that form factor around as you plan to carry your laptop, and at the same weight.

For most purposes, anything currently being sold has enough power.  More ram is generally better than more processor power if you need processing power, and ram is pretty cheap, with a functional limit at about 2 gigabytes of ram.

Anyeay, look at it that way, then make your choice.  By the standards of only three years ago there are a lot of incredible choices available out there.

Even more if price is no object.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m going to give a bit of contrarian advice &#8230;</p>

	<p>First, check out your eyes.  What size screen do you need?</p>

	<p>Second, check out your fingers.  What keyboards can you live with.</p>

	<p>Third, check out your arms.  What weight can you live with?</p>

	<p>Then, consider the cheapest laptop that fits those three limits.  Carry something that form factor around as you plan to carry your laptop, and at the same weight.</p>

	<p>For most purposes, anything currently being sold has enough power.  More ram is generally better than more processor power if you need processing power, and ram is pretty cheap, with a functional limit at about 2 gigabytes of ram.</p>

	<p>Anyeay, look at it that way, then make your choice.  By the standards of only three years ago there are a lot of incredible choices available out there.</p>

	<p>Even more if price is no object.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray Lensman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/12/laptop-choice-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-155559</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray Lensman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since nobody mentioned it, I&#039;ll offer a comment on the ability of the new Macs to run Windows XP and MacOSX. We have a Mini with both (my wife needs the XP for a real estate app) and so far it and we are happy. It&#039;s fast, stable, and runs all the Win apps we have tried. We ordered it from MacMall and they installed the XP with BootCamp. 

Overall opinion? Windows suffers bigtime from the direct comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since nobody mentioned it, I&#8217;ll offer a comment on the ability of the new Macs to run Windows XP and MacOSX. We have a Mini with both (my wife needs the XP for a real estate app) and so far it and we are happy. It&#8217;s fast, stable, and runs all the Win apps we have tried. We ordered it from MacMall and they installed the XP with BootCamp.</p>

	<p>Overall opinion? Windows suffers bigtime from the direct comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 12:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would recommend a Mac for ease of use combined with the stability and sophistication of the Unix operating system. Also, there are a number of LaTeX front ends for OS X, and TeXShop and iTeXMac are both well-designed and functional. Windows to me has always been more trouble than it&#039;s worth. GNU/Linux, which I used extensively for over a decade before switching to OS X, is great for those who enjoy tinkering and have time for such, but for productivity alone OS X takes some beating.

I have a 12&quot; PowerBook G4 and have been very happy with it, although it might now be time for me to consider selling it. iBooks are OK but not nearly so nice to work on, and PowerBook keyboards are far superior. And another good thing about PowerBooks is that they work seamlessly with external displays, keyboards and rodents.

Unless you cannot do without the power of a powerful desktop computer, with faster RAM, bus, hard disk, graphics processor, expansion bays, etc, why not consider having a PowerBook as your sole computer, and when working at the desk hook it up to a large DVI display? With a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, you could even run it with the lid shut so that the graphics processor has to drive only the external display. With the lid open you have access to both (independent) screens.

Unless you have absolute need of the latest and best model, you would do well to consider a second-hand PowerBook G4 in top condition. As Apple fanboys tend to be obsessed with owning the latest models, you will often find as-new condition PowerBooks listed on eBay, but be warned that the resale prices of Apple computers tend to be significantly higher as a proportion of the new cost than for Wintel machines.

Some people complain about the cost of Apple computers, but looking at the various high-end Wintel machines available today, I&#039;m not so sure this criticism is valid. Also, unless you zero-rate your time, you should consider also time spent farting about trying to get things to work properly. Macs are then without a doubt good economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would recommend a Mac for ease of use combined with the stability and sophistication of the Unix operating system. Also, there are a number of LaTeX front ends for <span class="caps">OS X</span>, and TeXShop and iTeXMac are both well-designed and functional. Windows to me has always been more trouble than it&#8217;s worth. <span class="caps">GNU</span>/Linux, which I used extensively for over a decade before switching to <span class="caps">OS X</span>, is great for those who enjoy tinkering and have time for such, but for productivity alone <span class="caps">OS X</span> takes some beating.</p>

	<p>I have a 12&#8221; PowerBook G4 and have been very happy with it, although it might now be time for me to consider selling it. iBooks are OK but not nearly so nice to work on, and PowerBook keyboards are far superior. And another good thing about PowerBooks is that they work seamlessly with external displays, keyboards and rodents.</p>

	<p>Unless you cannot do without the power of a powerful desktop computer, with faster <span class="caps">RAM</span>, bus, hard disk, graphics processor, expansion bays, etc, why not consider having a PowerBook as your sole computer, and when working at the desk hook it up to a large <span class="caps">DVI</span> display? With a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, you could even run it with the lid shut so that the graphics processor has to drive only the external display. With the lid open you have access to both (independent) screens.</p>

	<p>Unless you have absolute need of the latest and best model, you would do well to consider a second-hand PowerBook G4 in top condition. As Apple fanboys tend to be obsessed with owning the latest models, you will often find as-new condition PowerBooks listed on eBay, but be warned that the resale prices of Apple computers tend to be significantly higher as a proportion of the new cost than for Wintel machines.</p>

	<p>Some people complain about the cost of Apple computers, but looking at the various high-end Wintel machines available today, I&#8217;m not so sure this criticism is valid. Also, unless you zero-rate your time, you should consider also time spent farting about trying to get things to work properly. Macs are then without a doubt good economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wax Banks</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/12/laptop-choice-bleg/comment-page-1/#comment-155547</link>
		<dc:creator>Wax Banks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 12:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weight matters! I&#039;m with those who say go for a light machine. My advice - and that of most of my (mainly CS-type) geek friends - is buy the smallest Mac that will comfortably display your work, but definitely buy a Mac. The elegance and efficiency of working on the Mac, particularly when you&#039;ve nailed down intermediate-level tools like the command line, shell scripts, and keyboard-driven tools like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blacktree.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quicksilver&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macromates.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Textmate&lt;/a&gt;, simply blows the Windows experience out of the water. There are good LaTeX tools available for Mac (and good LaTeX/PDF integration), and you&#039;ll be able to escape from command-line-ville into a breathtaking GUI when you need a break (no Unix GUI compares to Tiger).

The Mac laptops didn&#039;t change design during the Moto/Intel switchover because they&#039;ve gotten the design right; none of the inelegant Thinkpad buttons or that odd clitoral pointing device, and none of the garish clunkiness of Dell&#039;s machines.

Toughbooks are freakish and magnificent but as an academic you&#039;re not likely to benefit fully from them. A couple of engineer schoolmates of mine swear by them, though I can&#039;t imagine typing on anything but an almost-full-sized keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Weight matters! I&#8217;m with those who say go for a light machine. My advice &#8211; and that of most of my (mainly CS-type) geek friends &#8211; is buy the smallest Mac that will comfortably display your work, but definitely buy a Mac. The elegance and efficiency of working on the Mac, particularly when you&#8217;ve nailed down intermediate-level tools like the command line, shell scripts, and keyboard-driven tools like <a href="http://www.blacktree.com" rel="nofollow">Quicksilver</a> and <a href="http://www.macromates.com" rel="nofollow">Textmate</a>, simply blows the Windows experience out of the water. There are good LaTeX tools available for Mac (and good LaTeX/PDF integration), and you&#8217;ll be able to escape from command-line-ville into a breathtaking <span class="caps">GUI</span> when you need a break (no Unix <span class="caps">GUI</span> compares to Tiger).</p>

	<p>The Mac laptops didn&#8217;t change design during the Moto/Intel switchover because they&#8217;ve gotten the design right; none of the inelegant Thinkpad buttons or that odd clitoral pointing device, and none of the garish clunkiness of Dell&#8217;s machines.</p>

	<p>Toughbooks are freakish and magnificent but as an academic you&#8217;re not likely to benefit fully from them. A couple of engineer schoolmates of mine swear by them, though I can&#8217;t imagine typing on anything but an almost-full-sized keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: goatchowder</title>
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		<dc:creator>goatchowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 08:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first criteria for recommending machines is software savvy and/or complexity, on a continuum of Mac --&gt; Windoze --&gt; Linux. You sound like you&#039;re comfortable with Windoze so either Windoze or Mac will suit you.

Next criteria is horsepower. For what you want to do, a 5-year-old used laptop will do just fine. So again, it just depends on your budget. And yes, max out RAM if you can: even simple things like web-browsing can eat RAM like crazy.

Finally, ergonomics. For you, it sounds like ergonomics should be the only real concern. That means, keyboard, screen, and weight/package. This is where there&#039;s no substitute for just trying these out in a shop somewhere, and deciding which &quot;feels&quot; best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My first criteria for recommending machines is software savvy and/or complexity, on a continuum of Mac&#8212;> Windoze&#8212;> Linux. You sound like you&#8217;re comfortable with Windoze so either Windoze or Mac will suit you.</p>

	<p>Next criteria is horsepower. For what you want to do, a 5-year-old used laptop will do just fine. So again, it just depends on your budget. And yes, max out <span class="caps">RAM</span> if you can: even simple things like web-browsing can eat <span class="caps">RAM</span> like crazy.</p>

	<p>Finally, ergonomics. For you, it sounds like ergonomics should be the only real concern. That means, keyboard, screen, and weight/package. This is where there&#8217;s no substitute for just trying these out in a shop somewhere, and deciding which &#8220;feels&#8221; best.</p>
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		<title>By: novakant</title>
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		<dc:creator>novakant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 08:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make sure you are comfortable with the screen-size/resolution ratio and the keyboard, it&#039;s best to have a look at notebooks in a few shops to get a feel for it, even if you end up buying online.

Apart from that, for your purposes the tech-specs are really negligible, execpt for the fact XP shouldn&#039;t really be run with less than 512 RAM and you might consider having 1 Gig for Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Make sure you are comfortable with the screen-size/resolution ratio and the keyboard, it&#8217;s best to have a look at notebooks in a few shops to get a feel for it, even if you end up buying online.</p>

	<p>Apart from that, for your purposes the tech-specs are really negligible, execpt for the fact XP shouldn&#8217;t really be run with less than 512 <span class="caps">RAM</span> and you might consider having 1 Gig for Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
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		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 08:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;d also say that if you can live with it, don&#039;t go over 14 inches on the screen if you&#039;re going to be carrying it everywhere. Check beforehand whether the wireless switch is all hardware or part hardware part software (and all sorts of other things in linux). All things being equal, I&#039;d say keep asking and shopping for a month or so til you see an acceptably good deal given reviews, rebates, maintenance records and rants, &amp;c (in case Galt sees this).

Do you at least know which operating system you want? The new Fedora is awfully slick, and next month&#039;s Ubuntu update is supposed to be the bee&#039;s knees, but linux is always peskier than either XP or OS X. XP has widest range of software, if you go for that sort of thing. Someone mentioned indulgence above: custom paint job...

I heartily second maxing out RAM no matter what you get, &lt;i&gt;then&lt;/i&gt; getting the best combination of cpu, hard drive, and other hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And I&#8217;d also say that if you can live with it, don&#8217;t go over 14 inches on the screen if you&#8217;re going to be carrying it everywhere. Check beforehand whether the wireless switch is all hardware or part hardware part software (and all sorts of other things in linux). All things being equal, I&#8217;d say keep asking and shopping for a month or so til you see an acceptably good deal given reviews, rebates, maintenance records and rants, &#038;c (in case Galt sees this).</p>

	<p>Do you at least know which operating system you want? The new Fedora is awfully slick, and next month&#8217;s Ubuntu update is supposed to be the bee&#8217;s knees, but linux is always peskier than either XP or <span class="caps">OS X</span>. XP has widest range of software, if you go for that sort of thing. Someone mentioned indulgence above: custom paint job&#8230;</p>

	<p>I heartily second maxing out <span class="caps">RAM</span> no matter what you get, <i>then</i> getting the best combination of cpu, hard drive, and other hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
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		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 08:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other end, http://www.slickdeals.net/ is a pretty good place to browse for comparing specials too. You&#039;re hereby warned about the other purchases you might end up making...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On the other end, <a href="http://www.slickdeals.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slickdeals.net/</a> is a pretty good place to browse for comparing specials too. You&#8217;re hereby warned about the other purchases you might end up making&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with llld - if you plan to be lugging your laptop around on a regular basis, mechanical robustness is extremely important. Apple pay a lot of attention to their cases, but if you would prefer a PC, then a Fujitsu or one of the business model HP/Compaq machines would be worth a look.

Oh, and a friend who owns Dell tells me that, if you do choose Dell, the three year warranty is a wise investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with llld &#8211; if you plan to be lugging your laptop around on a regular basis, mechanical robustness is extremely important. Apple pay a lot of attention to their cases, but if you would prefer a PC, then a Fujitsu or one of the business model HP/Compaq machines would be worth a look.</p>

	<p>Oh, and a friend who owns Dell tells me that, if you do choose Dell, the three year warranty is a wise investment.</p>
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		<title>By: llld</title>
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		<dc:creator>llld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the HP Compaq nc8200 series.
May be a bit more performance than you require.
(I run computational stats plus the apps you want.)
Comes in a sturdy case that won&#039;t crush.

Either way - pay attention to the case.  Go look at some cheapos in the big box stores.  See how flimsy the flip up screens are.  Run away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Check out the <span class="caps">HP </span>Compaq nc8200 series.<br />
May be a bit more performance than you require.<br />
(I run computational stats plus the apps you want.)<br />
Comes in a sturdy case that won&#8217;t crush.</p>

	<p>Either way &#8211; pay attention to the case.  Go look at some cheapos in the big box stores.  See how flimsy the flip up screens are.  Run away.</p>
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		<title>By: todd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>todd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 02:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve known several Dell and (especially) Toshiba laptops that were constructed of excessively flaky material. Most of these were purchased 2-4 years ago, but back then they all suffered from shoddy casings which shed little plastic bits like cats&#039; hair in spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve known several Dell and (especially) Toshiba laptops that were constructed of excessively flaky material. Most of these were purchased 2-4 years ago, but back then they all suffered from shoddy casings which shed little plastic bits like cats&#8217; hair in spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Lundblad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Lundblad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TeXShop on the Mac is a great setup.   Jut finished my thesis using it. (and the teTex that comes with all Mac)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>TeXShop on the Mac is a great setup.   Jut finished my thesis using it. (and the teTex that comes with all Mac)</p>
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