Comments on: Swimming with the fishes http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:15:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: rollo http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157206 rollo Sun, 28 May 2006 00:21:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157206 I think my parent’s house in southern CA will be fine for their lifetime - So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic - Technology will save us - And bring us all ponies we can ride I think my parent’s house in southern CA will be fine for their lifetime – So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic – Technology will save us – And bring us all ponies we can ride

]]> By: trialsanderrors http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157149 trialsanderrors Sat, 27 May 2006 09:59:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157149 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maldives" rel="nofollow">linkadink</a> linkadink

]]> By: trialsanderrors http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157148 trialsanderrors Sat, 27 May 2006 09:59:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157148 <a href="" rel="nofollow">Maldives</a>: highest point = 2.3 m (7½ ft) above sea level. Maldives: highest point = 2.3 m (7½ ft) above sea level.

]]> By: goatchowder http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157143 goatchowder Sat, 27 May 2006 07:08:07 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157143 Oh, here comes the flood. We'll say goodbye to flesh and blood! If again, the seas are silent and any still alive, it'll be those who gave their island to survive. Drink up, dreamers, you're running dry. (Sorry, Peter Gabriel) Oh, here comes the flood.

We’ll say goodbye

to flesh and blood!

If again, the seas are silent

and any still alive,

it’ll be those who gave their island to survive.

Drink up, dreamers, you’re running dry.

(Sorry, Peter Gabriel)

]]> By: jet http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157085 jet Fri, 26 May 2006 18:39:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157085 Albert, Come now, I thought the <a href="http://outside.away.com/outside/features/200212/200212_tuvalu_1.html" rel="nofollow">meme</a> that <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200512%5CCUL20051207a.html" rel="nofollow">Tavalu</a> was sinking had been thoroughly debunked. Perhaps next you'll tell me more people voted for American Idol than voted for President? Albert,
Come now, I thought the meme that Tavalu was sinking had been thoroughly debunked. Perhaps next you’ll tell me more people voted for American Idol than voted for President?

]]> By: dearieme http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157051 dearieme Fri, 26 May 2006 13:48:12 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157051 Why doesn't it show what happens when the sea-level next falls? Why doesn’t it show what happens when the sea-level next falls?

]]> By: linnen http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157041 linnen Fri, 26 May 2006 12:53:55 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157041 At 14 meters, the White House will be beach-front property. At 14 meters, the White House will be beach-front property.

]]> By: albert http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-157034 albert Fri, 26 May 2006 12:29:21 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-157034 >>So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic. Of course, you're not Bangladeshi, Tuvaluan, (etc.) are you? >>So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic.

Of course, you’re not Bangladeshi, Tuvaluan, (etc.) are you?

]]> By: Ray http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156989 Ray Fri, 26 May 2006 07:47:32 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156989 "This number is interesting because seasonal river runoff can raise local sea levels by 100 cm, high winds can raise local sea levels by 500 cm, and a simple el Nino year can raise sea level by 60 cm." and since all of these things are being phased out by presidential decree, starting July 15th, there's no need to think about what might happen if you <b>combined</b> them with a rise in the baseline level. “This number is interesting because seasonal river runoff can raise local sea levels by 100 cm, high winds can raise local sea levels by 500 cm, and a simple el Nino year can raise sea level by 60 cm.”

and since all of these things are being phased out by presidential decree, starting July 15th, there’s no need to think about what might happen if you combined them with a rise in the baseline level.

]]> By: lemuel pitkin http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156958 lemuel pitkin Thu, 25 May 2006 22:21:28 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156958 University of Arizona geosciences department has a similar site <a href="http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/research/other/climate_change_and_sea_level/sea_level_rise/sea_level_rise.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Results look broadly similar, at first glance. University of Arizona geosciences department has a similar site here.

Results look broadly similar, at first glance.

]]> By: engels http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156950 engels Thu, 25 May 2006 20:45:48 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156950 Look on the bright side. Compared to the soon-to-be-aquatic UWE you're laughing. Pity about the city centre. But for going out there'll always be <a href="http://www.thekla.co.uk/home/section2.asp?Cat=2&ID=1&template=1&frame=1" rel="nofollow">Thekla</a>. Oh and Jet is right, as usual, because who in their right mind could care what will happen <i>after</i> 100 years? Look on the bright side. Compared to the soon-to-be-aquatic UWE you’re laughing. Pity about the city centre. But for going out there’ll always be Thekla.

Oh and Jet is right, as usual, because who in their right mind could care what will happen after 100 years?

]]> By: etat http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156945 etat Thu, 25 May 2006 20:21:16 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156945 He's included the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea" rel="nofollow">Caspian Sea</a> in the scheme. It increases quite substantially into Kazakhstan. Neat trick. I wonder how the water gets there. I'd also like to know if the NASA data is in an easy-to use format. Given that the Ordnance Survey extort money from people wanting to know UK topography, it would be nice to have an alternative. He’s included the Caspian Sea in the scheme. It increases quite substantially into Kazakhstan. Neat trick. I wonder how the water gets there.

I’d also like to know if the NASA data is in an easy-to use format. Given that the Ordnance Survey extort money from people wanting to know UK topography, it would be nice to have an alternative.

]]> By: jet http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156919 jet Thu, 25 May 2006 18:42:37 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156919 I would question the usefullness of this map given that 80cm rise in sea level is the most probable worst case scenario for the next 100 years. This number is interesting because seasonal river runoff can raise local sea levels by 100 cm, high winds can raise local sea levels by 500 cm, and a simple el Nino year can raise sea level by 60 cm. So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic. I would question the usefullness of this map given that 80cm rise in sea level is the most probable worst case scenario for the next 100 years. This number is interesting because seasonal river runoff can raise local sea levels by 100 cm, high winds can raise local sea levels by 500 cm, and a simple el Nino year can raise sea level by 60 cm.

So even the worst case scenario is not cause for panic.

]]> By: mpowell http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156918 mpowell Thu, 25 May 2006 18:42:02 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156918 Its kind of funny to look at the resulting coastline, b/c obviously that's not what coastlines look like and its because of the issues y81 raises. But its still a fun little tool to play with. I think my parent's house in southern CA will be fine for their lifetime, at least. Its kind of funny to look at the resulting coastline, b/c obviously that’s not what coastlines look like and its because of the issues y81 raises. But its still a fun little tool to play with. I think my parent’s house in southern CA will be fine for their lifetime, at least.

]]> By: y81 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/comment-page-1/#comment-156903 y81 Thu, 25 May 2006 17:45:30 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/2006/05/25/swimming-with-the-fishes/#comment-156903 The map is cool, but aren't there all sorts of hydrological issues beyond what the mapmaker discusses that would affect the outcome, and that aren't even well-understood enough to model? Our summer house (like many in the Northeast) is on a barrier beach; it was my understanding that the process of barrier beach formation is not well enough understood for anyone to be sure what effect a rise in sea levels will have. (I.e., will the barrier beaches be built up with additional sand, of which there is plenty in the ocean, or will they be submerged, or what.) In this respect, a gradual rise in sea levels would be very different from a storm surge. The map is cool, but aren’t there all sorts of hydrological issues beyond what the mapmaker discusses that would affect the outcome, and that aren’t even well-understood enough to model? Our summer house (like many in the Northeast) is on a barrier beach; it was my understanding that the process of barrier beach formation is not well enough understood for anyone to be sure what effect a rise in sea levels will have. (I.e., will the barrier beaches be built up with additional sand, of which there is plenty in the ocean, or will they be submerged, or what.) In this respect, a gradual rise in sea levels would be very different from a storm surge.

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