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		<title>By: Alva</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159497</link>
		<dc:creator>Alva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ve a different view of net neutrality-i worry far more about wat the govt will do once they have their regulatory claws on the net. Think the FCC and TV/radio. Think content restrictions and campaign finance &quot;reforms&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I ve a different view of net neutrality-i worry far more about wat the govt will do once they have their regulatory claws on the net. Think the <span class="caps">FCC</span> and TV/radio. Think content restrictions and campaign finance &#8220;reforms&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: maidhc</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159455</link>
		<dc:creator>maidhc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently stayed with my in-laws, who get around 150 channels on cable TV.  And most nights there was nothing at all worth watching!  They even get CBC, but they were just rerunning old hockey games.

The future of the internets?

In related news, the Ford Motor Company is demanding that FedEx pay royalties on all profits made by delivering packages in Ford trucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I recently stayed with my in-laws, who get around 150 channels on cable TV.  And most nights there was nothing at all worth watching!  They even get <span class="caps">CBC</span>, but they were just rerunning old hockey games.</p>

	<p>The future of the internets?</p>

	<p>In related news, the Ford Motor Company is demanding that FedEx pay royalties on all profits made by delivering packages in Ford trucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159276</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to wonder. You all know where Congress stands vis-a-vis the public interest on other issues like intellectual property. Yet somehow you seem to trust them to write a new law to protect the public interest from a threat which does not presently exist, yet you think it might come to exist in the future, while simultaneously _not_ screwing you in the process.

Where does that trust come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just have to wonder. You all know where Congress stands vis-a-vis the public interest on other issues like intellectual property. Yet somehow you seem to trust them to write a new law to protect the public interest from a threat which does not presently exist, yet you think it might come to exist in the future, while simultaneously <em>not</em> screwing you in the process.</p>

	<p>Where does that trust come from?</p>
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		<title>By: Twill00</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159227</link>
		<dc:creator>Twill00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are multiple radio stations available in most areas, and yet on each one you only hear fifty songs owned by the corp that owns the station.  Tell me about competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There are multiple radio stations available in most areas, and yet on each one you only hear fifty songs owned by the corp that owns the station.  Tell me about competition.</p>
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		<title>By: jen r</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our choices for broadband in what is supposedly a very wired college town are:

* Horribly unreliable cable; or
* DSL owned by SBC/AT&amp;T, who are evil.

I&#039;m not feeling the benefits of this great competition, quite frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Our choices for broadband in what is supposedly a very wired college town are:</p>

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		<li>Horribly unreliable cable; or</li>
		<li><span class="caps">DSL</span> owned by <span class="caps">SBC</span>/AT&#038;T, who are evil.</li>
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	<p>I&#8217;m not feeling the benefits of this great competition, quite frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Townes</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159149</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Townes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the sentence that gets me: &quot;Thanks to technology, the Internet will always be a relatively democratic medium with low barriers to entry.&quot; As if technology were impervious to policy - especially not the case for the Internet. It&#039;s like we&#039;ve suddenly decided that maybe X.25 wasn&#039;t such a bad idea after all, after twenty years of successful networking that would have been unlikely had the telcos gotten their way back then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is the sentence that gets me: &#8220;Thanks to technology, the Internet will always be a relatively democratic medium with low barriers to entry.&#8221; As if technology were impervious to policy &#8211; especially not the case for the Internet. It&#8217;s like we&#8217;ve suddenly decided that maybe X.25 wasn&#8217;t such a bad idea after all, after twenty years of successful networking that would have been unlikely had the telcos gotten their way back then.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfWombat</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159142</link>
		<dc:creator>ProfWombat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, uh, doesn&#039;t the WAPO Corp. have a financial staake in this?

I live in the Boston area, which you&#039;d expect a priori to be well-serviced.  You can get dial-up (&#039;nuff said), Comcast broadband or Verizon DSL.  But if you want to, say, bundle cable TV or local phone service, your choices get even more limited...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Er, uh, doesn&#8217;t the <span class="caps">WAPO </span>Corp. have a financial staake in this?</p>

	<p>I live in the Boston area, which you&#8217;d expect a priori to be well-serviced.  You can get dial-up (&#8216;nuff said), Comcast broadband or Verizon <span class="caps">DSL</span>.  But if you want to, say, bundle cable TV or local phone service, your choices get even more limited&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159139</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it just me or does the “they don’t want to be charged fees” argument really piss anyone off? &quot;

Oh, it pisses me off.  A 100% flat-out lie; I&#039;d sue if I were Google or Yahoo or eBay.  There&#039;s nothing to lose, since the telco&#039;s will put the squeeze on them anyway, given the chance.

The evil joke about deregulation, as always, is that we&#039;ll get screwed the most.  Larger companies have something to bargain with; for us, it&#039;ll be &#039;take it or leave it&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Is it just me or does the &#8220;they don&#8217;t want to be charged fees&#8221; argument really piss anyone off? &#8221;</p>

	<p>Oh, it pisses me off.  <span class="caps">A 100</span>% flat-out lie; I&#8217;d sue if I were Google or Yahoo or eBay.  There&#8217;s nothing to lose, since the telco&#8217;s will put the squeeze on them anyway, given the chance.</p>

	<p>The evil joke about deregulation, as always, is that we&#8217;ll get screwed the most.  Larger companies have something to bargain with; for us, it&#8217;ll be &#8216;take it or leave it&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159128</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Henry, for writing this.  It&#039;s all very maddening and frustrating. And Goatchowder makes an additional good point about the limitations posed by contract length. Plus who is to guarantee that various options will continue to exist? 

Moreover, will people be aware that they are not getting equal access to various types of content under provider x?  And even if they are, will they know that if only they switched away from provider x (assuming that&#039;s even an option) they would then have more equal access through provider y?  I think all of this is extremely doubtful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Henry, for writing this.  It&#8217;s all very maddening and frustrating. And Goatchowder makes an additional good point about the limitations posed by contract length. Plus who is to guarantee that various options will continue to exist?</p>

	<p>Moreover, will people be aware that they are not getting equal access to various types of content under provider x?  And even if they are, will they know that if only they switched away from provider x (assuming that&#8217;s even an option) they would then have more equal access through provider y?  I think all of this is extremely doubtful.</p>
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		<title>By: Something Polish</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159102</link>
		<dc:creator>Something Polish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the editorial reluctantly supported Net Neutrality, though conceded some of the bullshit big company talking points you mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought the editorial reluctantly supported Net Neutrality, though conceded some of the bullshit big company talking points you mention.</p>
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		<title>By: goatchowder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/13/broadband-provision-and-net-neutrality/comment-page-1/#comment-159101</link>
		<dc:creator>goatchowder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Choice?! Hah!

1) 2-year lock-in contracts. Don&#039;t like the fact that AT&amp;T blocks access to your favorite site? Choke on it until 2008, asshole. I tried to cancel SBC DSL before my year-long contract was over. They threatened to cut off my telephone unless I paid the full year, whether I used it or not.

2) Remote nodes. In my zip code, &quot;officially&quot; there is tremendous choice of access due to the &quot;open access&quot; laws which require that any &quot;Central Office&quot; be available to all providers. Hee hee, that&#039;s funny. The reality is: your choice for DSL is either SBC/AT&amp;T  or SBC/AT&amp;T, over most of the zip code. Take your pick. Most of this zip code is way too far away from any official &quot;central office&quot;, so what SBC did is they created &quot;remote nodes&quot; which are not &quot;officially&quot; central offices, and thus are exempt from the &quot;open access&quot; restrictions. But, they are central offices. They put repeaters in them, and all of this zip code is lit up with SBC/AT&amp;T DSL. Only the areas within range of a CO (there are only 2 in the entire zip code) can get any competitor.

FCC statistics of choice per zip code is indeed bullshit. Instead, look at choice per household, and, if you really want to do it right, choice by contract length and position in contract duration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Choice?! Hah!</p>

	<p>1) 2-year lock-in contracts. Don&#8217;t like the fact that AT&#038;T blocks access to your favorite site? Choke on it until 2008, asshole. I tried to cancel <span class="caps">SBC DSL</span> before my year-long contract was over. They threatened to cut off my telephone unless I paid the full year, whether I used it or not.</p>

	<p>2) Remote nodes. In my zip code, &#8220;officially&#8221; there is tremendous choice of access due to the &#8220;open access&#8221; laws which require that any &#8220;Central Office&#8221; be available to all providers. Hee hee, that&#8217;s funny. The reality is: your choice for <span class="caps">DSL</span> is either <span class="caps">SBC</span>/AT&#038;T  or <span class="caps">SBC</span>/AT&#038;T, over most of the zip code. Take your pick. Most of this zip code is way too far away from any official &#8220;central office&#8221;, so what <span class="caps">SBC</span> did is they created &#8220;remote nodes&#8221; which are not &#8220;officially&#8221; central offices, and thus are exempt from the &#8220;open access&#8221; restrictions. But, they are central offices. They put repeaters in them, and all of this zip code is lit up with <span class="caps">SBC</span>/AT&#038;T <span class="caps">DSL</span>. Only the areas within range of a <span class="caps">CO </span>(there are only 2 in the entire zip code) can get any competitor.</p>

	<p><span class="caps">FCC</span> statistics of choice per zip code is indeed bullshit. Instead, look at choice per household, and, if you really want to do it right, choice by contract length and position in contract duration.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Nexon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Nexon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should also keep in mind that the service structures of most broadband providers create major transaction costs for switching, making it unlikely that competition will &quot;solve&quot; the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We should also keep in mind that the service structures of most broadband providers create major transaction costs for switching, making it unlikely that competition will &#8220;solve&#8221; the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does the &quot;they don&#039;t want to be charged fees&quot; argument really piss anyone off? Content providers &lt;b&gt;ARE ALREADY BEING CHARGED.&lt;/b&gt;

Further, how does voting down net-neutrality increase incentives for the monopolists to increase capacity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it just me or does the &#8220;they don&#8217;t want to be charged fees&#8221; argument really piss anyone off? Content providers <b><span class="caps">ARE ALREADY BEING CHARGED</span>.</b></p>

	<p>Further, how does voting down net-neutrality increase incentives for the monopolists to increase capacity?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe once the Internet is destroyed, we can all meet up and talk to people in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe once the Internet is destroyed, we can all meet up and talk to people in person.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll kill the internets, I have no doubt. It&#039;s too democratic, they won&#039;t put up with it. Ten years from now it&#039;ll be a package of sports, movie and news sites with obligatory variaty of shopping urls. And with pop-up ads you can&#039;t stop. Resistance is futile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>They&#8217;ll kill the internets, I have no doubt. It&#8217;s too democratic, they won&#8217;t put up with it. Ten years from now it&#8217;ll be a package of sports, movie and news sites with obligatory variaty of shopping urls. And with pop-up ads you can&#8217;t stop. Resistance is futile.</p>
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