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		<title>By: RedDan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159598</link>
		<dc:creator>RedDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks luis...

The only difference between a humorless twit and a genocidal dictator is a massive security apparatus and iron control over a gargantuan military, brutal secret police force, and a crushing bureaucracy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks luis&#8230;</p>

	<p>The only difference between a humorless twit and a genocidal dictator is a massive security apparatus and iron control over a gargantuan military, brutal secret police force, and a crushing bureaucracy!</p>
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		<title>By: CMoore.com &#187; Who&#8217;s the assclown, now, D-Day?</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMoore.com &#187; Who&#8217;s the assclown, now, D-Day?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well, D-Day, add me to the chorus of &#8220;haters,&#8221; along with this poster. And this poster. And this one. This one too. Oh, and this post as well. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Well, D-Day, add me to the chorus of &#8220;haters,&#8221; along with this poster. And this poster. And this one. This one too. Oh, and this post as well. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159576</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what happened to this guy&#039;s house was awful, and he did indeed have a lucky escape.

&lt;b&gt;But&lt;/b&gt; the post Harry reacted to still struck him (and me) as ridiculous, in its earnestness, its self-importance and its overtones of revivalist group-hugginess. (Even if it was meant as a joke, it came across as an earnest, self-important and group-huggy joke.)

Daniel&#039;s comment essentially took the earnestness and self-importance seriously - why would you post something like that unless you actually thought somebody was trying to kill you? but if somebody &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; trying to kill you...

It seems a lot of people can&#039;t tell the difference between &quot;this person&#039;s allusions to his own death are ridiculous&quot; and &quot;I relish the idea of this person being killed&quot;. Shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, what happened to this guy&#8217;s house was awful, and he did indeed have a lucky escape.</p>

	<p><b>But</b> the post Harry reacted to still struck him (and me) as ridiculous, in its earnestness, its self-importance and its overtones of revivalist group-hugginess. (Even if it was meant as a joke, it came across as an earnest, self-important and group-huggy joke.)</p>

	<p>Daniel&#8217;s comment essentially took the earnestness and self-importance seriously &#8211; why would you post something like that unless you actually thought somebody was trying to kill you? but if somebody <b>was</b> trying to kill you&#8230;</p>

	<p>It seems a lot of people can&#8217;t tell the difference between &#8220;this person&#8217;s allusions to his own death are ridiculous&#8221; and &#8220;I relish the idea of this person being killed&#8221;. Shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Doyle</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159561</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; “For Christ’s sake Rick D, he suffered a small amount of damage to his house. Nobody got hurt, much less killed” &lt;/i&gt;

As best as I can determine, there was a lot of damage. The house isn’t habitable, (it’s a rental, their landlord put them in another house, so they&#039;re not homeless.) Much personal property in the house was destroyed/damaged, including a huge tropical fish tank, and all their fish. The newspaper ran a picture of the scene (link below). It looks bad enough. I’d be pretty freaked out if it happened to me.

&lt;i&gt; THE OLYMPIAN &lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;b&gt;PICKUP SLAMS INTO DIVISION STREET HOME&#039;S BEDROOM&lt;/b&gt;

A Ford F150 that police say was traveling 60-70 mph eastbound on Conger Avenue crashed into a home on Division Street just after midnight Sunday. 

When the pickup finally stopped, it was all the way inside the house&#039;s bedroom. Police arrested a man in his 20s at Jefferson Middle School, two blocks back up Conger Avenue.

Neighbors told police they believed the family in the home, a young couple with an infant, were on vacation at the time. No injuries have been reported in the crash. ..


Check out the &lt;a href=&quot;NewWindow(550,400,&#039;/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/misc/zoom.pbs&amp;Site=J5&amp;Date=20060610&amp;Category=NEWS01&amp;ArtNo=60611001&amp;Ref=AR&#039;);&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Photo&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060610/NEWS01/60611001/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; &lt;b&gt;link to article&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> &#8220;For Christ&#8217;s sake Rick D, he suffered a small amount of damage to his house. Nobody got hurt, much less killed&#8221; </i></p>

	<p>As best as I can determine, there was a lot of damage. The house isn&#8217;t habitable, (it&#8217;s a rental, their landlord put them in another house, so they&#8217;re not homeless.) Much personal property in the house was destroyed/damaged, including a huge tropical fish tank, and all their fish. The newspaper ran a picture of the scene (link below). It looks bad enough. I&#8217;d be pretty freaked out if it happened to me.</p>

	<p><i> THE <span class="caps">OLYMPIAN </span></i></p>

	<p><b><span class="caps">PICKUP SLAMS INTO DIVISION STREET HOME</span>&#8217;S <span class="caps">BEDROOM</span></b></p>

	<p>A Ford <span class="caps">F150</span> that police say was traveling 60-70 mph eastbound on Conger Avenue crashed into a home on Division Street just after midnight Sunday.</p>

	<p>When the pickup finally stopped, it was all the way inside the house&#8217;s bedroom. Police arrested a man in his 20s at Jefferson Middle School, two blocks back up Conger Avenue.</p>

	<p>Neighbors told police they believed the family in the home, a young couple with an infant, were on vacation at the time. No injuries have been reported in the crash. ..</p>


	<p>Check out the <a href="NewWindow(550,400,'/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/misc/zoom.pbs&#038;Site=J5&#038;Date=20060610&#038;Category=NEWS01&#038;ArtNo=60611001&#038;Ref=AR');" rel="nofollow">Photo</a></p>


	<p><a href="http://www.theolympian.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060610/NEWS01/60611001/" rel="nofollow"> <b>link to article</b> </a><br />
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		<title>By: Peter Briffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Briffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet Chris Bertram can&#039;t believe what he started here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I bet Chris Bertram can&#8217;t believe what he started here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159543</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Readers Digest is considering two of my humorous anecdotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Readers Digest is considering two of my humorous anecdotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do quite fancy Ann Coulter though.

btw, am i really going to have to explain this joke?  OK then.

The comic conceit was that the Kos commenter believed his life to have been saved by going to their conference.  However, this would only be true if the car crash was an accident.  If it was a sign that someone was attempting to murder him in a bizarre manner, his life would still be in danger.  This was an incongrous possibility, and therefore funny.  I also tried to suggest that to assume that the Kos poster was being arrogant by assuming that he was so universally popular that nobody would try to murder him.  This is funny because it is such an outlandish response to the concept.  So in other words, the comic conceit was to pretend that an alternative assumption (murder) was the more natural interpretation of the events (accident) than what was clearly the natural assumption.

Deep in my heart, sir, I know I&#039;m funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I do quite fancy Ann Coulter though.</p>

	<p>btw, am i really going to have to explain this joke?  OK then.</p>

	<p>The comic conceit was that the Kos commenter believed his life to have been saved by going to their conference.  However, this would only be true if the car crash was an accident.  If it was a sign that someone was attempting to murder him in a bizarre manner, his life would still be in danger.  This was an incongrous possibility, and therefore funny.  I also tried to suggest that to assume that the Kos poster was being arrogant by assuming that he was so universally popular that nobody would try to murder him.  This is funny because it is such an outlandish response to the concept.  So in other words, the comic conceit was to pretend that an alternative assumption (murder) was the more natural interpretation of the events (accident) than what was clearly the natural assumption.</p>

	<p>Deep in my heart, sir, I know I&#8217;m funny.</p>
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		<title>By: RickD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, captain wacky

&quot;beyond stupid&quot; is claiming that I said the post was &quot;in poor taste&quot; when that&#039;s not something I said.  I just said that it&#039;s really not the best place to go looking for humor.  Clearly Hutton got the kind of response a jokester would not ordinarily be looking for.  Aside from Andy Kaufman, most people who are trying to be funny aren&#039;t trying to simply piss off a lot of people.  

Personally I didn&#039;t think the Hutton post was in poor taste.  I just thought it was bizarre to go from somebody talking about a car crashing into his house into some kind of hallucination about being attacked by Zulus.    I did think dsquared&#039;s comment was in bad taste, though.  That kind of veiled threat is fairly standard operating procedure on right-wing blogs.  If it was supposed to be ironic or humorous or something other than thuggish, it failed.  

My peeve here is not so much whether the original post was funny or not.  Some people thought it was, some didn&#039;t.  I get annoyed at the people who decide to play the humor police and start insulting others who don&#039;t think the same things are funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>hey, captain wacky</p>

	<p>&#8220;beyond stupid&#8221; is claiming that I said the post was &#8220;in poor taste&#8221; when that&#8217;s not something I said.  I just said that it&#8217;s really not the best place to go looking for humor.  Clearly Hutton got the kind of response a jokester would not ordinarily be looking for.  Aside from Andy Kaufman, most people who are trying to be funny aren&#8217;t trying to simply piss off a lot of people.</p>

	<p>Personally I didn&#8217;t think the Hutton post was in poor taste.  I just thought it was bizarre to go from somebody talking about a car crashing into his house into some kind of hallucination about being attacked by Zulus.    I did think dsquared&#8217;s comment was in bad taste, though.  That kind of veiled threat is fairly standard operating procedure on right-wing blogs.  If it was supposed to be ironic or humorous or something other than thuggish, it failed.</p>

	<p>My peeve here is not so much whether the original post was funny or not.  Some people thought it was, some didn&#8217;t.  I get annoyed at the people who decide to play the humor police and start insulting others who don&#8217;t think the same things are funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159534</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So leasons learned:

1. Don&#039;t react/comment on a website until you&#039;ve read many entries and have gotten a feel for what the writer is trying to do - a leason that anyone who&#039;s read Jesus&#039; General should have a pretty strong understanding.

2. The English are condescending gits.

3. Americans often have trouble with complex forms of humor (satire, sarcasm, irony, etc.)

4. Insulting people&#039;s national identity is just plain mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So leasons learned:</p>

	<p>1. Don&#8217;t react/comment on a website until you&#8217;ve read many entries and have gotten a feel for what the writer is trying to do &#8211; a leason that anyone who&#8217;s read Jesus&#8217; General should have a pretty strong understanding.</p>

	<p>2. The English are condescending gits.</p>

	<p>3. Americans often have trouble with complex forms of humor (satire, sarcasm, irony, etc.)</p>

	<p>4. Insulting people&#8217;s national identity is just plain mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Wacky</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159533</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Wacky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair call, RM. I get it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fair call, RM. I get it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Simstim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simstim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Firedoglake post definitely gets Harry, but the comments thread doesn&#039;t half wander off the topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That Firedoglake post definitely gets Harry, but the comments thread doesn&#8217;t half wander off the topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Sanchez on humour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Sanchez on humour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thought that this recent Julian Sanchez post provided an interesting way to think about the back-and-forth misunderstandings over dsquared and Harry Hutton as eliminationist Coulteroids. The key bit &#8230; So it seems like you might find racist/religious/sexist/etc epithets or jokes in two very different kinds of context: First, sincerely, among actual racists, sexists, and other bigots. Second, in groups where there&#8217;s a strong taboo against those actual attitudes, but the people communicating are sufficiently confident of themselves and each other on that score that boundary-pushing results in that all-clear humor reaction. The problem on the Internet, of course, is that you often end up with a forum that feels like a small close knit community but is actually available to thousands of casual readers&#8212;a tension I expect we&#8217;ll be negotiating for a long while yet. Anyway, that might be one reason you find the kind of rhetoric the Feministe folk were so appalled by in particular among the blogs and chat boards of the left, where people are both especially likely to be conscious of speech taboos and confident that everyone&#8217;s actually got the right sorts of views. posted on Friday, June 16th, 2006 at 9:58 am      Post a comment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Thought that this recent Julian Sanchez post provided an interesting way to think about the back-and-forth misunderstandings over dsquared and Harry Hutton as eliminationist Coulteroids. The key bit &#8230; So it seems like you might find racist/religious/sexist/etc epithets or jokes in two very different kinds of context: First, sincerely, among actual racists, sexists, and other bigots. Second, in groups where there&#8217;s a strong taboo against those actual attitudes, but the people communicating are sufficiently confident of themselves and each other on that score that boundary-pushing results in that all-clear humor reaction. The problem on the Internet, of course, is that you often end up with a forum that feels like a small close knit community but is actually available to thousands of casual readers&#8212;a tension I expect we&#8217;ll be negotiating for a long while yet. Anyway, that might be one reason you find the kind of rhetoric the Feministe folk were so appalled by in particular among the blogs and chat boards of the left, where people are both especially likely to be conscious of speech taboos and confident that everyone&#8217;s actually got the right sorts of views. posted on Friday, June 16th, 2006 at 9:58 am      Post a comment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

Then go order a pizza and ask them to make you one with everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.</p>

	<p>Then go order a pizza and ask them to make you one with everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Enrique</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159521</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reddan, you are a thing of beauty. Let&#039;s see that again:

&quot;At least we’re fucking well trying to make a difference, and hopefully we’ll be doing better and better.

And when we DO make a difference, the first ones to get slated for gulag work camps?? Yes, tovarischi, that would be you!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Reddan, you are a thing of beauty. Let&#8217;s see that again:</p>

	<p>&#8220;At least we&#8217;re fucking well trying to make a difference, and hopefully we&#8217;ll be doing better and better.</p>

	<p>And when we DO make a difference, the first ones to get slated for gulag work camps?? Yes, tovarischi, that would be you!&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: whatarudeperson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/15/i-laughed-till-i-cried/comment-page-2/#comment-159518</link>
		<dc:creator>whatarudeperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, well, I&#039;ve certainly ceased to find this argument amusing. Although I am slightly amused by the contrast between this thread and the sweet and cheerful one at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/15/late-nite-fdl-im-just-wild-about-harry/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;firedoglake&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, well, I&#8217;ve certainly ceased to find this argument amusing. Although I am slightly amused by the contrast between this thread and the sweet and cheerful one at <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/15/late-nite-fdl-im-just-wild-about-harry/" rel="nofollow">firedoglake</a>.</p>
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