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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160802</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;how can Americans learn to love a game which is covered by ninnies?&lt;/i&gt;

I do think this is a problem when trying to establish a sport on television. Heck, even ESPN&#039;s interminable poker coverage has identifiable voices, but the most famous footie commentator in the US is Andres Cantor, who doesn&#039;t even broadcast in English. Perhaps Dave O&#039;Brien is placing an early bet on becoming the American Motty, but learning on the job isn&#039;t ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>how can Americans learn to love a game which is covered by ninnies?</i></p>

	<p>I do think this is a problem when trying to establish a sport on television. Heck, even <span class="caps">ESPN</span>&#8217;s interminable poker coverage has identifiable voices, but the most famous footie commentator in the US is Andres Cantor, who doesn&#8217;t even broadcast in English. Perhaps Dave O&#8217;Brien is placing an early bet on becoming the American Motty, but learning on the job isn&#8217;t ideal.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160764</link>
		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>harry b,
Competent coverage is not a pre-req in America. Watch game 7 of the Edmonton-Carolina NHL playoff final series. There was a botched call at the end of the 1st period, and the announcers failed to sort out the issues involved in any sort of clear, competent way.

The botched call went against the Canes (Edmonton got away with a serious infraction). But that&#039;s OK: instant karma was subsequently served.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>harry b,<br />
Competent coverage is not a pre-req in America. Watch game 7 of the Edmonton-Carolina <span class="caps">NHL</span> playoff final series. There was a botched call at the end of the 1st period, and the announcers failed to sort out the issues involved in any sort of clear, competent way.</p>

	<p>The botched call went against the Canes (Edmonton got away with a serious infraction). But that&#8217;s OK: instant karma was subsequently served.</p>
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		<title>By: JakeBCool</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160746</link>
		<dc:creator>JakeBCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doug1-  okay, you may be right; peace.

harry-  I&#039;ve just been watching Univision, as you noted.  I only understand about one word in a hundred, but the chatter makes a pleasing backdrop to the game.  It seems to me that who-can-say-the-most-stupid-things competitions are common at least in US sports television--I remember egregious examples in both the NHL and NBA finals from last week.

I&#039;m American but was not sorry to see the US go down to defeat because of 1) a compulsion to cheer the underdog, and 2) the mortifying behavior that US athletes show in international arenas.  I know it isn&#039;t fair to assume our soccer team will get up to the same kind of idiocy, but my fear makes me weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>doug1-  okay, you may be right; peace.</p>

	<p>harry-  I&#8217;ve just been watching Univision, as you noted.  I only understand about one word in a hundred, but the chatter makes a pleasing backdrop to the game.  It seems to me that who-can-say-the-most-stupid-things competitions are common at least in US sports television&#8212;I remember egregious examples in both the <span class="caps">NHL</span> and <span class="caps">NBA</span> finals from last week.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m American but was not sorry to see the US go down to defeat because of 1) a compulsion to cheer the underdog, and 2) the mortifying behavior that US athletes show in international arenas.  I know it isn&#8217;t fair to assume our soccer team will get up to the same kind of idiocy, but my fear makes me weak.</p>
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		<title>By: morairty</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160737</link>
		<dc:creator>morairty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another commenter mentions, the US was fairly lucky in 2002 to get through with four points and then to meet Mexico in the round of 16 (they know how to play against Mexico). 

Also, IIRC, in 1994 they made it through as the third place team in their initial group of four. The setup was different then. 

Team USA wasn&#039;t as good as their results in 94 or 02, and perhaps not as bad as they played in 98 or 06.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As another commenter mentions, the US was fairly lucky in 2002 to get through with four points and then to meet Mexico in the round of 16 (they know how to play against Mexico).</p>

	<p>Also, <span class="caps">IIRC</span>, in 1994 they made it through as the third place team in their initial group of four. The setup was different then.</p>

	<p>Team <span class="caps">USA</span> wasn&#8217;t as good as their results in 94 or 02, and perhaps not as bad as they played in 98 or 06.</p>
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		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160671</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>radek: &quot;Where do they find these guys? England, apparantly.&quot;

they grow them in england - it&#039;s called the premiership. if you really, REALLY want to tear your eyes out of head and throw them at the screen, watch a season of english football. 

epoh: &quot;I can’t help but think that the near-unanimous hatred of America around the world affected the refereeing of the US squad.&quot;

that&#039;s right. it&#039;s because they hate american freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>radek: &#8220;Where do they find these guys? England, apparantly.&#8221;</p>

	<p>they grow them in england &#8211; it&#8217;s called the premiership. if you really, <span class="caps">REALLY</span> want to tear your eyes out of head and throw them at the screen, watch a season of english football.</p>

	<p>epoh: &#8220;I can&#8217;t help but think that the near-unanimous hatred of America around the world affected the refereeing of the US squad.&#8221;</p>

	<p>that&#8217;s right. it&#8217;s because they hate american freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: mykej</title>
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		<dc:creator>mykej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ESPN did have an Irish(?) guy covering a few games. He was decent.

As for the American red cards in the Italy match, even Bruce Arena said they were justified. Of course, he&#039;s a moron, so it&#039;s still an open question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">ESPN</span> did have an Irish(?) guy covering a few games. He was decent.</p>

	<p>As for the American red cards in the Italy match, even Bruce Arena said they were justified. Of course, he&#8217;s a moron, so it&#8217;s still an open question.</p>
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		<title>By: djw</title>
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		<dc:creator>djw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For all I know Baseball, Football, etc, are also covered by half-wits who don’t know the game as well as I do, but I’d be very surprised if so.&lt;/i&gt;

Harry, meet Peter Gammons...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>For all I know Baseball, Football, etc, are also covered by half-wits who don&#8217;t know the game as well as I do, but I&#8217;d be very surprised if so.</i></p>

	<p>Harry, meet Peter Gammons&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger Yellow</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/06/22/go-ghana/comment-page-2/#comment-160603</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s a trick: go to the UK, find a couple of decent commentators, and pay them a pot of money to move to The States and cover soccer full-time.&quot;

Oi. Half our main commentators are already crap, so we can&#039;t afford to lose the few decent ones we have.

&quot;The two red cards against the US in the Italy game were obvious crap calls. And the call leading to the PK for Ghana was also a crap call.&quot;

I didn&#039;t see the Ghana game so I&#039;m more than willing to accept that was a crap call, but all three red cards in the Italy match were perfectly justified., and pretty much inevitable following the guidance FIFA gave to referees about studs up tackles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s a trick: go to the UK, find a couple of decent commentators, and pay them a pot of money to move to The States and cover soccer full-time.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Oi. Half our main commentators are already crap, so we can&#8217;t afford to lose the few decent ones we have.</p>

	<p>&#8220;The two red cards against the US in the Italy game were obvious crap calls. And the call leading to the PK for Ghana was also a crap call.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I didn&#8217;t see the Ghana game so I&#8217;m more than willing to accept that was a crap call, but all three red cards in the Italy match were perfectly justified., and pretty much inevitable following the guidance <span class="caps">FIFA</span> gave to referees about studs up tackles.</p>
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		<title>By: Dell Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dell Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in 2002 the USA was unusually &lt;i&gt;lucky&lt;/i&gt; with the referees&#039; calls, particularly in the Mexico and Italy games. That we got to the quarterfinals was a total fluke. Not everyone remembers that, I guess, which would explain the ludicrous media buildup this year&#039;s team had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, in 2002 the <span class="caps">USA</span> was unusually <i>lucky</i> with the referees&#8217; calls, particularly in the Mexico and Italy games. That we got to the quarterfinals was a total fluke. Not everyone remembers that, I guess, which would explain the ludicrous media buildup this year&#8217;s team had.</p>
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		<title>By: epoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>epoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last comment.

I can&#039;t help but think that the near-unanimous hatred of America around the world affected the refereeing of the US squad.  The two red cards against the US in the Italy game were obvious crap calls.  And the call leading to the PK for Ghana was also a crap call.  Sure, other games and other countries have tasted the arbitrariness of the refs.  But I can&#039;t help but blame the whole thing on the idiot currently occupying the White House.

&#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One last comment.</p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that the near-unanimous hatred of America around the world affected the refereeing of the US squad.  The two red cards against the US in the Italy game were obvious crap calls.  And the call leading to the PK for Ghana was also a crap call.  Sure, other games and other countries have tasted the arbitrariness of the refs.  But I can&#8217;t help but blame the whole thing on the idiot currently occupying the White House.</p>

	<p>&#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: vice</title>
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		<dc:creator>vice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why was ben olsen in the game? why were donovan and beasley so awful? reyna&#039;s giveaway was sunday league stuff... sorry, but i needed to let that go and, in closing, agree that the american TV coverage has been pretty bad - i&#039;d like to punch out marcelo balboa -...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>why was ben olsen in the game? why were donovan and beasley so awful? reyna&#8217;s giveaway was sunday league stuff&#8230; sorry, but i needed to let that go and, in closing, agree that the american TV coverage has been pretty bad &#8211; i&#8217;d like to punch out marcelo balboa -&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: epoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>epoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be rooting for the Brits on Sunday.  (My daughter&#039;s nanny is from Ecuador, but I didn&#039;t like her smug smile after she saw that the US was down 2-1 this morning.)

Oh, before I forget, Crouch is waste of cleats.  Let  Joe Cole, Lampard, and Wolcott carry St. George into the back of the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I will be rooting for the Brits on Sunday.  (My daughter&#8217;s nanny is from Ecuador, but I didn&#8217;t like her smug smile after she saw that the US was down 2-1 this morning.)</p>

	<p>Oh, before I forget, Crouch is waste of cleats.  Let  Joe Cole, Lampard, and Wolcott carry St. George into the back of the net.</p>
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		<title>By: epoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>epoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed the Ozzies v Croats, but I heard the ref was a right prat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I missed the Ozzies v Croats, but I heard the ref was a right prat.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Healy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Healy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of ninnies, how about the English referee in the Australia vs Croatia game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of ninnies, how about the English referee in the Australia vs Croatia game?</p>
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		<title>By: epoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>epoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a couple of decent commentators on FSC.  There&#039;s a Scottish laird I&#039;ve seen a few times, on chat shows and doing actual commentary during a game.  Some of them have more than a passing knowledge.

But there&#039;s no excuse for ESPN and ABC to have such complete morons covering the game.  The main guy doing play-by-play this morning could barely speak, nevermind not understand the game beyond a basic level.

Here&#039;s a trick: go to the UK, find a couple of decent commentators, and pay them a pot of money to move to The States and cover soccer full-time.

There, I solved it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There are a couple of decent commentators on <span class="caps">FSC</span>.  There&#8217;s a Scottish laird I&#8217;ve seen a few times, on chat shows and doing actual commentary during a game.  Some of them have more than a passing knowledge.</p>

	<p>But there&#8217;s no excuse for <span class="caps">ESPN</span> and <span class="caps">ABC</span> to have such complete morons covering the game.  The main guy doing play-by-play this morning could barely speak, nevermind not understand the game beyond a basic level.</p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s a trick: go to the UK, find a couple of decent commentators, and pay them a pot of money to move to The States and cover soccer full-time.</p>

	<p>There, I solved it.</p>
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