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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: dale</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/01/england-vs-portugal-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-162871</link>
		<dc:creator>dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rooney was wrongly sent off - carvalho (?) on the ground through three consecutive moves is making no effort to play the ball and impedes him twice, and in going after the ball, rooney stands on his leg. carvalho curls up in a ball, clutching his groin. free-kick to rooney, actually, for the ongoing fouling. then ronaldo arrives and rooney departs. bad call. 

but that didn&#039;t lose england the game. even with 10 men they repeatedly broke up the portugese attack and sent the ball forward. but there was never anyone up front. crouch was eventually reduced to laying the ball off to himself. what lost england the game was trying to defend the goal, rather than trying to score the goal. with 4 in back and a keeper, everyone else could have been sent forward, on the reasonable grounds that risking losing by one goal is the price paid for risking winning by a goal. instead they played for penalties, when they could have played for a win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>rooney was wrongly sent off &#8211; carvalho (?) on the ground through three consecutive moves is making no effort to play the ball and impedes him twice, and in going after the ball, rooney stands on his leg. carvalho curls up in a ball, clutching his groin. free-kick to rooney, actually, for the ongoing fouling. then ronaldo arrives and rooney departs. bad call.</p>

	<p>but that didn&#8217;t lose england the game. even with 10 men they repeatedly broke up the portugese attack and sent the ball forward. but there was never anyone up front. crouch was eventually reduced to laying the ball off to himself. what lost england the game was trying to defend the goal, rather than trying to score the goal. with 4 in back and a keeper, everyone else could have been sent forward, on the reasonable grounds that risking losing by one goal is the price paid for risking winning by a goal. instead they played for penalties, when they could have played for a win.</p>
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		<title>By: tom s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 03:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it in bad taste to point out that but not only did I get the game right (see post number 2), but we&#039;re just beginning to hear a change of tone in how Beckham is talked about (see post number 1)?

It is? OK then I won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Is it in bad taste to point out that but not only did I get the game right (see post number 2), but we&#8217;re just beginning to hear a change of tone in how Beckham is talked about (see post number 1)?</p>

	<p>It is? OK then I won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: sanbikinoraion</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanbikinoraion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor management, that&#039;s all I can say. Bad formation, bad choice of players (except for Hargreaves, whom I imagine a lot of people have new-found respect for after that), and bad choice of subs. Walcott needed to come on for Terry or Lampard early in extra time for some attacking pizazz but it never happened. Carragher was a mystifying choice, as was taking off Joe Cole.

Hopefully McClaren will be a bit different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Poor management, that&#8217;s all I can say. Bad formation, bad choice of players (except for Hargreaves, whom I imagine a lot of people have new-found respect for after that), and bad choice of subs. Walcott needed to come on for Terry or Lampard early in extra time for some attacking pizazz but it never happened. Carragher was a mystifying choice, as was taking off Joe Cole.</p>

	<p>Hopefully McClaren will be a bit different.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I&#039;m sure that many other Scots would agree with your interpretation of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave, I&#8217;m sure that many other Scots would agree with your interpretation of events.</p>
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		<title>By: Backword Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backword Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris on 66: see &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/5137272.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eriksson goes with Rooney warning&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;em&gt;The departing England coach said: &quot;I spoke to Wayne and he said he had no intention to do it. I then spoke to the referee after the game and he told me he was 100% sure it was a red card. The referee told me he had hit the other player and where he was hit, so I couldn&#039;t complain.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; I don&#039;t think a shove in the chest fits. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chris on 66: see <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2006/teams/england/5137272.stm" rel="nofollow">Eriksson goes with Rooney warning</a>. <em>The departing England coach said: &#8220;I spoke to Wayne and he said he had no intention to do it. I then spoke to the referee after the game and he told me he was 100% sure it was a red card. The referee told me he had hit the other player and where he was hit, so I couldn&#8217;t complain.&#8221;</em> I don&#8217;t think a shove in the chest fits. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that Benitez did not let Carragher take a penalty in Istanbul, and for good reason. The trouble is that I think C would volunteer for anything -- a decent manager would have made a better choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Note that Benitez did not let Carragher take a penalty in Istanbul, and for good reason. The trouble is that I think C would volunteer for anything&#8212;a decent manager would have made a better choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene O'Grady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene O'Grady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 03:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a lighter note, may I suggest that it&#039;s not coincidence that teams from countries that dispatched pirates to annex California (England and Argentina) both lost this weekend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>On a lighter note, may I suggest that it&#8217;s not coincidence that teams from countries that dispatched pirates to annex California (England and Argentina) both lost this weekend?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 03:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  Yeah, I bet Defoe will sleep a little more soundly tonight, although it&#039;s vindication earned at a bitter cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ha!  Yeah, I bet Defoe will sleep a little more soundly tonight, although it&#8217;s vindication earned at a bitter cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jermaine Defoe must be getting the last laugh.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big Carragher fan, but I don&#039;t really see why he was brought on for penalties.

And Lampard obviously hasn&#039;t had his shooting boots all tournament. I&#039;d have dropped him for Crouch from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a big Carragher fan, but I don&#8217;t really see why he was brought on for penalties.</p>

	<p>And Lampard obviously hasn&#8217;t had his shooting boots all tournament. I&#8217;d have dropped him for Crouch from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kervick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kervick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Portugal does a lot of acting, Chris, but I still thought they were the stronger team, played a stronger game and deserved to win.  The Portuguese attack looked much more dangerous throughout the game, and Ronaldo was the best player on the field, with Figo a close second until he went off.  Robinson was tested in the game much more than Ricardo.

Perhaps England made up for the lack of quality in its attack with a certain amount of quantity - particularly late in the game after Portugal looked desperately fatigued.  But they appear to lack explosive playmakers and finishers, and despite some fairly consistent pressure around the goal, the Portuguese defenders seemed to have the English locked up pretty well throughout the game.

I suppose its still an after-effect of his injury, but before Rooney went off, he still looked a bit slow and clumsy to me.  England&#039;s best option was to keep putting the ball in the vicinity of Crouch&#039;s head, and hope something good would happen.  They also relied a bit too much, I thought, on long throw-ins.

I do give England a lot of credit for its play in the back.  Pauleta was no factor before he went off.  They were helped in that by several ill-advised long attempts from Maniche that prematurely aborted some promising Portuguese posessions.

Beckham was fairly invisible until he went off.  Losing him actually seemed to help the English a bit - although in a 0-0 game who knows what might have happened if Beckham had been there for some set pieces in the second half.

I thought Miguel was immense for Portugal, controlling his side of the field at both ends and displaying amazing stamina - although his service left something to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree Portugal does a lot of acting, Chris, but I still thought they were the stronger team, played a stronger game and deserved to win.  The Portuguese attack looked much more dangerous throughout the game, and Ronaldo was the best player on the field, with Figo a close second until he went off.  Robinson was tested in the game much more than Ricardo.</p>

	<p>Perhaps England made up for the lack of quality in its attack with a certain amount of quantity &#8211; particularly late in the game after Portugal looked desperately fatigued.  But they appear to lack explosive playmakers and finishers, and despite some fairly consistent pressure around the goal, the Portuguese defenders seemed to have the English locked up pretty well throughout the game.</p>

	<p>I suppose its still an after-effect of his injury, but before Rooney went off, he still looked a bit slow and clumsy to me.  England&#8217;s best option was to keep putting the ball in the vicinity of Crouch&#8217;s head, and hope something good would happen.  They also relied a bit too much, I thought, on long throw-ins.</p>

	<p>I do give England a lot of credit for its play in the back.  Pauleta was no factor before he went off.  They were helped in that by several ill-advised long attempts from Maniche that prematurely aborted some promising Portuguese posessions.</p>

	<p>Beckham was fairly invisible until he went off.  Losing him actually seemed to help the English a bit &#8211; although in a 0-0 game who knows what might have happened if Beckham had been there for some set pieces in the second half.</p>

	<p>I thought Miguel was immense for Portugal, controlling his side of the field at both ends and displaying amazing stamina &#8211; although his service left something to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I watched it some hours ago in a bar on the UCD campus in Dublin. The locals certainly enjoyed it.

I&#039;m sure Rooney wasn&#039;t sent off for the kick to the nuts -- which was accidental -- but rather for the shove, and Ronaldo played for that disgracefully. England with 10 were the better team over the 90 and Hargreaves was motm. But that&#039;s football. I&#039;m just disappointed that an England team that were great on paper weren&#039;t on grass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well I watched it some hours ago in a bar on the <span class="caps">UCD</span> campus in Dublin. The locals certainly enjoyed it.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m sure Rooney wasn&#8217;t sent off for the kick to the nuts&#8212;which was accidental&#8212;but rather for the shove, and Ronaldo played for that disgracefully. England with 10 were the better team over the 90 and Hargreaves was motm. But that&#8217;s football. I&#8217;m just disappointed that an England team that were great on paper weren&#8217;t on grass.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>63: Nein, danke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>63: Nein, danke.</p>
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		<title>By: Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a&quot; Good one! A kiss from me and one from my concierge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;a&#8221; Good one! A kiss from me and one from my concierge.</p>
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		<title>By: Frenchdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frenchdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a France/Italy final?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How about a France/Italy final?</p>
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