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		<title>By: HK</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164606</link>
		<dc:creator>HK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a UKer, I have housemates (friends I already knew with whom I share an undivided house).  I certainly wouldn&#039;t refer to a roomate.

In Cambridge there are &quot;double sets&quot; (usually two bedrooms off a shared lounge), but I can&#039;t remember whether I ever heard the term &#039;setmate&#039; used; I think it would usually be rephrased as &#039;we share a set&#039;.  Sets, at least in my college, were the older rooms: more recently built (i.e. 60s) rooms were almost always single bedrooms, so the term is falling out of usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a UKer, I have housemates (friends I already knew with whom I share an undivided house).  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t refer to a roomate.</p>

	<p>In Cambridge there are &#8220;double sets&#8221; (usually two bedrooms off a shared lounge), but I can&#8217;t remember whether I ever heard the term &#8216;setmate&#8217; used; I think it would usually be rephrased as &#8216;we share a set&#8217;.  Sets, at least in my college, were the older rooms: more recently built (i.e. 60s) rooms were almost always single bedrooms, so the term is falling out of usage.</p>
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		<title>By: sutton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164536</link>
		<dc:creator>sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there is no word to distinguish between &quot;person with whom you share living accomodations but NOT a room&quot; and &quot;non-significant-other with whom you actually share a room.&quot; Most likely this is because there is no NEED to make such a distinction. The larger set of &quot;roommates&quot; covers you in both instances, while advertising that you actually share a room unnecessarily divulges something like what the Brits might call your &quot;class.&quot;

Not that we have such a concept here in the states, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And there is no word to distinguish between &#8220;person with whom you share living accomodations but <span class="caps">NOT</span> a room&#8221; and &#8220;non-significant-other with whom you actually share a room.&#8221; Most likely this is because there is no <span class="caps">NEED</span> to make such a distinction. The larger set of &#8220;roommates&#8221; covers you in both instances, while advertising that you actually share a room unnecessarily divulges something like what the Brits might call your &#8220;class.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Not that we have such a concept here in the states, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: sutton</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164534</link>
		<dc:creator>sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Housemate = person with whom you share a house.
Roommate = person with whom you share an apartment OR a room, or both.

No one would ever expect that you are having sex with your roommate, at least not unless there was more evidence than your referring to him or her as &quot;roommate.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Housemate = person with whom you share a house.<br />
Roommate = person with whom you share an apartment OR a room, or both.</p>

	<p>No one would ever expect that you are having sex with your roommate, at least not unless there was more evidence than your referring to him or her as &#8220;roommate.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: washerdreyer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164532</link>
		<dc:creator>washerdreyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use apartmentmate interchangably with roommate, though I use the latter far more often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I use apartmentmate interchangably with roommate, though I use the latter far more often.</p>
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		<title>By: WorldWideWeber</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164514</link>
		<dc:creator>WorldWideWeber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a USian and a member of the college class of 1976, I have to agree with cryptic ned. I think &quot;roommate&quot; is taken to mean someone a person &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/R0299400.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rooms with&lt;/a&gt;, regardless of the domicile. People sometimes say &quot;housemate,&quot; and admittedly it is more specific (and thus useful in its own way), but when they do I get the feeling they&#039;re perhaps excessively proud of the fact they&#039;re rooming in a house and not an apartment. At any rate, I think it&#039;s just as likely they&#039;d say, &quot;I&#039;m thinking of throwing a party at my house next Saturday, if it&#039;s okay with my roommates&quot; as ... the other formulation.

It occurs to me that &quot;housemate&quot; connotes a somewhat cooler relationship than &quot;roommate&quot; -- that &quot;roommates&quot; are more likely to have known one another before rooming together (post-college), while &quot;housemates&quot; are the sort of people one picks up through the classifieds or who get thrown together at the whim of a landlord. But others may hear it differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a USian and a member of the college class of 1976, I have to agree with cryptic ned. I think &#8220;roommate&#8221; is taken to mean someone a person <a href="http://www.bartleby.com/61/94/R0299400.html" rel="nofollow">rooms with</a>, regardless of the domicile. People sometimes say &#8220;housemate,&#8221; and admittedly it is more specific (and thus useful in its own way), but when they do I get the feeling they&#8217;re perhaps excessively proud of the fact they&#8217;re rooming in a house and not an apartment. At any rate, I think it&#8217;s just as likely they&#8217;d say, &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking of throwing a party at my house next Saturday, if it&#8217;s okay with my roommates&#8221; as &#8230; the other formulation.</p>

	<p>It occurs to me that &#8220;housemate&#8221; connotes a somewhat cooler relationship than &#8220;roommate&#8221;&#8212;that &#8220;roommates&#8221; are more likely to have known one another before rooming together (post-college), while &#8220;housemates&#8221; are the sort of people one picks up through the classifieds or who get thrown together at the whim of a landlord. But others may hear it differently.</p>
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		<title>By: Cryptic Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cryptic Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a USian and a member of the college class of 2004, in my experience:
- For people who share a room, the word is &quot;roommate&quot;
- For people who share an apartment but not a room, the word is &quot;roommate&quot;
- For people who share a house, the word is &quot;roommate&quot;

- And this absolutely does not apply to people who are romantically involved.  Their relationship is not a roommate relationship, it is a &quot;boyfriend/girlfriend&quot; relationship.  The fact that they live together is less important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As a USian and a member of the college class of 2004, in my experience: &#8211; For people who share a room, the word is &#8220;roommate&#8221; &#8211; For people who share an apartment but not a room, the word is &#8220;roommate&#8221; &#8211; For people who share a house, the word is &#8220;roommate&#8221;</p>
 &#8211; And this absolutely does not apply to people who are romantically involved.  Their relationship is not a roommate relationship, it is a &#8220;boyfriend/girlfriend&#8221; relationship.  The fact that they live together is less important.
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		<title>By: david cake</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164483</link>
		<dc:creator>david cake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard roommate used for people who did not actually share a room, and sharing a room on a long term basis is almost unknown except for lovers, even in the University college system (which often have shared kitchens, but I&#039;ve not heard of shared bedrooms).

The most common situations for use of the term roommate I have found is sharing hotel rooms for conferences and conventions. 

Housemate, on the other hand, is used even when the residence is not a free standing house (and may be used inclusive of lovers, but does not carry that connotation). Flatmate is specific to apartments and a little more common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve never heard roommate used for people who did not actually share a room, and sharing a room on a long term basis is almost unknown except for lovers, even in the University college system (which often have shared kitchens, but I&#8217;ve not heard of shared bedrooms).</p>

	<p>The most common situations for use of the term roommate I have found is sharing hotel rooms for conferences and conventions.</p>

	<p>Housemate, on the other hand, is used even when the residence is not a free standing house (and may be used inclusive of lovers, but does not carry that connotation). Flatmate is specific to apartments and a little more common.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/14/roommates/comment-page-1/#comment-164458</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Without the ambiguity of “roommate,” Three’s Company could never have been made.&lt;/i&gt;

I think you mean &#039;without &lt;i&gt;Man About The House&lt;/i&gt;&#039; -- which brings up another ambiguity, since Jo, Chrissy and Robin were flatmates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Without the ambiguity of &#8220;roommate,&#8221; Three&#8217;s Company could never have been made.</i></p>

	<p>I think you mean &#8216;without <i>Man About The House</i>&#8217;&#8212;which brings up another ambiguity, since Jo, Chrissy and Robin were flatmates.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sullivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my estimation (US northeast), &quot;housemate&quot; is getting much more commonly used to mean what UK folks would call &quot;flatmate&quot;.  While it&#039;s still not as common as &quot;roommate&quot;, it&#039;s common enough that most people will not assume that there is a traditional detached house involved.

Roommate still covers both semantic spaces, and it is be assumed from context (or left ambiguous) whether people actually share a room (common in dorms or large studios a la 38).  What will always be assumed is that the partnership is not sexual or romantic, unless &quot;roommate&quot; is being used to hide (or facetiously pretend to hide) that relationship.   

As 34/36 mention, it&#039;s fairly common in gay culture (even in the post-stonewall generations, though i&#039;d say it&#039;s declining there) to use roomate in this latter way.  Tone or other shibboleths are often used as a signifier to split the semantics. Those who are familiar and comfortable with queer culture will immediately recognize the euphemism and see the comment as facetious, while those who are ignorant of it will be left in the dark.


Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In my estimation (US northeast), &#8220;housemate&#8221; is getting much more commonly used to mean what UK folks would call &#8220;flatmate&#8221;.  While it&#8217;s still not as common as &#8220;roommate&#8221;, it&#8217;s common enough that most people will not assume that there is a traditional detached house involved.</p>

	<p>Roommate still covers both semantic spaces, and it is be assumed from context (or left ambiguous) whether people actually share a room (common in dorms or large studios a la 38).  What will always be assumed is that the partnership is not sexual or romantic, unless &#8220;roommate&#8221; is being used to hide (or facetiously pretend to hide) that relationship.</p>

	<p>As 34/36 mention, it&#8217;s fairly common in gay culture (even in the post-stonewall generations, though i&#8217;d say it&#8217;s declining there) to use roomate in this latter way.  Tone or other shibboleths are often used as a signifier to split the semantics. Those who are familiar and comfortable with queer culture will immediately recognize the euphemism and see the comment as facetious, while those who are ignorant of it will be left in the dark.</p>


	<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching an episode of US Big Brother recently, I noticed that the participants are referred to as &quot;house guests&quot;, rather than &quot;housemates&quot; in Australia and the UK.  I assumed from that that &quot;housmate&quot; was not in common usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Watching an episode of <span class="caps">US </span>Big Brother recently, I noticed that the participants are referred to as &#8220;house guests&#8221;, rather than &#8220;housemates&#8221; in Australia and the UK.  I assumed from that that &#8220;housmate&#8221; was not in common usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Krubner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Krubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, we are speaking in generalities. There are niche sub-cultures where other norms hold. Among the music underground &quot;garage bands&quot; that I know, musicians often rent large rooms, and then a whole band will live there with their equipment. &quot;Roommate&quot; then means roommate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Of course, we are speaking in generalities. There are niche sub-cultures where other norms hold. Among the music underground &#8220;garage bands&#8221; that I know, musicians often rent large rooms, and then a whole band will live there with their equipment. &#8220;Roommate&#8221; then means roommate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Krubner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Krubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ambiguity of &quot;roommate&quot; never occured to me during the 90s. These last 3 or 4 years, I&#039;ve started using the phrase &quot;houesmate&quot; for those I live with. Others, too, have begun to correct me when I use &quot;roommate&quot; - they clarify that I mean &quot;housemate&quot;. But if I slip up and use &quot;roommate&quot; I think everyone assumes I mean &quot;housemate&quot;. 

A friend of mine, who in the room with me right now, adds &quot;I&#039;m often unsure of what someone means when they say &quot;roommate&quot;. If I know the person well, I ask a follow up question to qualify the situation. If I don&#039;t know the person well, I remain uncertain about what they mean - I don&#039;t ask follow-up questions with strangers for fear of prying.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The ambiguity of &#8220;roommate&#8221; never occured to me during the 90s. These last 3 or 4 years, I&#8217;ve started using the phrase &#8220;houesmate&#8221; for those I live with. Others, too, have begun to correct me when I use &#8220;roommate&#8221; &#8211; they clarify that I mean &#8220;housemate&#8221;. But if I slip up and use &#8220;roommate&#8221; I think everyone assumes I mean &#8220;housemate&#8221;.</p>

	<p>A friend of mine, who in the room with me right now, adds &#8220;I&#8217;m often unsure of what someone means when they say &#8220;roommate&#8221;. If I know the person well, I ask a follow up question to qualify the situation. If I don&#8217;t know the person well, I remain uncertain about what they mean &#8211; I don&#8217;t ask follow-up questions with strangers for fear of prying.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
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		<dc:creator>amberglow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 03:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re:34. That usage is very common among older guys. &quot;Lover&quot; to them is the person someone cheats with (like with straight people), and &quot;boyfriend&quot; is too juvenile and casual. &quot;Partner&quot; has been growing in usage with older couples, but that sounds too businesslike to many also.


&quot;Living together&quot; is probably the US equivalent of &quot;bedmate&quot; (which i think sounds restrictive and weird, like it&#039;s a sex-only thing and not an actual relationship)

Housemate is rarely used here in NYC, because it&#039;s almost always apartment-sharing--Roommate is the right term, whether you actually share a space or just the whole apt. In the midwest and other places where there are more actual houses, Housemate is a very common term. I&#039;ve only ever heard pretentious people here use &quot;flatmate&quot;(in an attempt to seem more Euro/exotic)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>re:34. That usage is very common among older guys. &#8220;Lover&#8221; to them is the person someone cheats with (like with straight people), and &#8220;boyfriend&#8221; is too juvenile and casual. &#8220;Partner&#8221; has been growing in usage with older couples, but that sounds too businesslike to many also.</p>


	<p>&#8220;Living together&#8221; is probably the US equivalent of &#8220;bedmate&#8221; (which i think sounds restrictive and weird, like it&#8217;s a sex-only thing and not an actual relationship)</p>

	<p>Housemate is rarely used here in <span class="caps">NYC</span>, because it&#8217;s almost always apartment-sharing&#8212;Roommate is the right term, whether you actually share a space or just the whole apt. In the midwest and other places where there are more actual houses, Housemate is a very common term. I&#8217;ve only ever heard pretentious people here use &#8220;flatmate&#8221;(in an attempt to seem more Euro/exotic)</p>
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		<title>By: moriarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without the ambiguity of &quot;roommate,&quot; Three&#039;s Company could never have been made.</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Alpers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once encountered an only slightly semi-closeted gay man who came of age before Stonewall and who always referred to his longtime companion as &quot;my roommate.&quot; Everyone, so far as I could tell, understood what their relationship was.  I don&#039;t know if the origin of his usage was ironic or simply a convenient euphemism. This is the only time I&#039;ve heard the word used to describe a sexual relationship.

And thanks for the memories of the Princeton Grad College, Eszter.  Even at 23, I was too old for the &quot;you walk through my bedroom to go to the bathroom and I&#039;ll walk through your bedroom to exit&quot; system. I got out of there after one year and never looked back (except to go to the D Bar).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I once encountered an only slightly semi-closeted gay man who came of age before Stonewall and who always referred to his longtime companion as &#8220;my roommate.&#8221; Everyone, so far as I could tell, understood what their relationship was.  I don&#8217;t know if the origin of his usage was ironic or simply a convenient euphemism. This is the only time I&#8217;ve heard the word used to describe a sexual relationship.</p>

	<p>And thanks for the memories of the Princeton Grad College, Eszter.  Even at 23, I was too old for the &#8220;you walk through my bedroom to go to the bathroom and I&#8217;ll walk through your bedroom to exit&#8221; system. I got out of there after one year and never looked back (except to go to the D Bar).</p>
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