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		<title>By: sixfootsubwoofer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/15/narfapalooza/comment-page-1/#comment-164773</link>
		<dc:creator>sixfootsubwoofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, The Village actually made me quite furious, now that I remember.  I was in disbelief at how it ended, much in the way I felt cheated with the ending of Signs.  I went into Signs thinking it was a cool horror flick, but the twist turned out to be that the audience was actually sitting in sunday school, not the fact that the aliens were allergic to water (so, so lame).

This line made me skim over Strauss once again, and my newfound maturity made me aghast that his ideas were once taken as seriously as they were.  They&#039;re so simple and mean.  

However, standing as we all are in the dark, lengthening shadow of Chomsky, perhaps we should fragment Strauss&#039; ideas about myths and the public good. It seems the backlash against &quot;political correctness&quot; and relativism was powerful enough to knock us all back down to more fundamental forms of discourse. Anyone here think that liberals should work more towards creating their own cohesive mythical narrative and move away from the relativism that has dominated their rhetoric for decades?   Just a question...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, The Village actually made me quite furious, now that I remember.  I was in disbelief at how it ended, much in the way I felt cheated with the ending of Signs.  I went into Signs thinking it was a cool horror flick, but the twist turned out to be that the audience was actually sitting in sunday school, not the fact that the aliens were allergic to water (so, so lame).</p>

	<p>This line made me skim over Strauss once again, and my newfound maturity made me aghast that his ideas were once taken as seriously as they were.  They&#8217;re so simple and mean.</p>

	<p>However, standing as we all are in the dark, lengthening shadow of Chomsky, perhaps we should fragment Strauss&#8217; ideas about myths and the public good. It seems the backlash against &#8220;political correctness&#8221; and relativism was powerful enough to knock us all back down to more fundamental forms of discourse. Anyone here think that liberals should work more towards creating their own cohesive mythical narrative and move away from the relativism that has dominated their rhetoric for decades?   Just a question&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More support for my pro-Straussian Village posit! I rule!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More support for my pro-Straussian Village posit! I rule!</p>
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		<title>By: a different chris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/15/narfapalooza/comment-page-1/#comment-164715</link>
		<dc:creator>a different chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;remember that hollywood is the GREATEST form of propaganda

Amen, brother.  I have posted in numerous places that Hollywood is the American Right&#039;s greatest friend, because for every buck Babs Streisand gives to a liberal cause there is a Hollywood blockbuster that gives everybody the impression that the Good Guys Always Win When Given A Gun.

I make sure my brain is too disengaged to even soak any of that crap up permanently.  I wish our pundits, especially the ones blabbering about &quot;Shane&quot; and &quot;High Noon&quot; would have done the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>remember that hollywood is the <span class="caps">GREATEST</span> form of propaganda</p>

	<p>Amen, brother.  I have posted in numerous places that Hollywood is the American Right&#8217;s greatest friend, because for every buck Babs Streisand gives to a liberal cause there is a Hollywood blockbuster that gives everybody the impression that the Good Guys Always Win When Given A Gun.</p>

	<p>I make sure my brain is too disengaged to even soak any of that crap up permanently.  I wish our pundits, especially the ones blabbering about &#8220;Shane&#8221; and &#8220;High Noon&#8221; would have done the same.</p>
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		<title>By: sixfootsubwoofer</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/15/narfapalooza/comment-page-1/#comment-164588</link>
		<dc:creator>sixfootsubwoofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you are sitting down in the theatre to give your brain a break, remember that hollywood is the GREATEST form of propaganda. Just as Forest Gump pounded into us that blindly following state ideology will reward us in the end, so did The Village numbly affirm the value of the Straussian &quot;Noble Lie&quot;.  Signs effectively told us that we should keep our beliefs despite the evidence of our intellects or emotions. All of these films serve to help &quot;give your brain a break&quot; for most of your life. 

Hollywood films serve to entertain, yes, and entertainment is simply a form of pacification. 

And on the subject of comics... they may be &quot;shit&quot; but two recent films made from comics have been the most subversive and intelligent ever produced by hollywood. Both &quot;V for Vendetta&quot; and &quot;Sin City&quot; had disturbing plot scenarios and pseudo-revolutionary rhetoric that pushed notions of personal justice, individualism and redemption to us instead of simple pacifying pablum.

The question is: were those notions of revolutionary justice in those films to simply pacify us further? To make us say &quot;It&#039;s good that films like that are being made, it means we&#039;re not all brain washed,&quot; and then carry on being brain washed? 

I&#039;m new here, but I have to say that I&#039;m a little disapointed that so many of you were so enthusiastic about MNS&#039;s films when this blog is reportedly an &quot;intellectual&quot; one.  His films are simple, &quot;postmodern&quot; tricks to keep you in the seat.  He might be a bit deft with suspense, and with conceptual narratives filled with clever (if not at all new) devices, but overall his films leave a sour, egotistical taste in the mouth, I feel.  It&#039;s quite telling that he places himself in his films in roles whose characters serve as explanatory forces, as subjects to reveal the inner workings of the narrative.  It&#039;s almost as if he has to step into the frame of his films himself to tell you what&#039;s going on, or how to interpret them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As you are sitting down in the theatre to give your brain a break, remember that hollywood is the <span class="caps">GREATEST</span> form of propaganda. Just as Forest Gump pounded into us that blindly following state ideology will reward us in the end, so did The Village numbly affirm the value of the Straussian &#8220;Noble Lie&#8221;.  Signs effectively told us that we should keep our beliefs despite the evidence of our intellects or emotions. All of these films serve to help &#8220;give your brain a break&#8221; for most of your life.</p>

	<p>Hollywood films serve to entertain, yes, and entertainment is simply a form of pacification.</p>

	<p>And on the subject of comics&#8230; they may be &#8220;shit&#8221; but two recent films made from comics have been the most subversive and intelligent ever produced by hollywood. Both &#8220;V for Vendetta&#8221; and &#8220;Sin City&#8221; had disturbing plot scenarios and pseudo-revolutionary rhetoric that pushed notions of personal justice, individualism and redemption to us instead of simple pacifying pablum.</p>

	<p>The question is: were those notions of revolutionary justice in those films to simply pacify us further? To make us say &#8220;It&#8217;s good that films like that are being made, it means we&#8217;re not all brain washed,&#8221; and then carry on being brain washed?</p>

	<p>I&#8217;m new here, but I have to say that I&#8217;m a little disapointed that so many of you were so enthusiastic about <span class="caps">MNS</span>&#8217;s films when this blog is reportedly an &#8220;intellectual&#8221; one.  His films are simple, &#8220;postmodern&#8221; tricks to keep you in the seat.  He might be a bit deft with suspense, and with conceptual narratives filled with clever (if not at all new) devices, but overall his films leave a sour, egotistical taste in the mouth, I feel.  It&#8217;s quite telling that he places himself in his films in roles whose characters serve as explanatory forces, as subjects to reveal the inner workings of the narrative.  It&#8217;s almost as if he has to step into the frame of his films himself to tell you what&#8217;s going on, or how to interpret them.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Village&lt;/i&gt; would have been great, had it been twenty five minutes long and in black and white, like all the best &lt;i&gt;Twilight Zone&lt;/i&gt; episodes. I also like &lt;i&gt;Unbreakable&lt;/i&gt; and willgo further and say it&#039;s Bruce Willis&#039; best film since &lt;i&gt;Pulp Fiction&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Signs&lt;/i&gt; had me until the God-did-it ending. The last fifteen minutes ruined the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Village</i> would have been great, had it been twenty five minutes long and in black and white, like all the best <i>Twilight Zone</i> episodes. I also like <i>Unbreakable</i> and willgo further and say it&#8217;s Bruce Willis&#8217; best film since <i>Pulp Fiction</i>.</p>

	<p><i>Signs</i> had me until the God-did-it ending. The last fifteen minutes ruined the film.</p>
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		<title>By: a different chris</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/15/narfapalooza/comment-page-1/#comment-164535</link>
		<dc:creator>a different chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;And that seeing a mermaid in your pool means something. 

If I was a middle-aged guy living alone and I saw a mermaid in my pool my first reaction would be:

1) Jesus I need to get laid.

Upon discovering that she isn&#039;t just a figment of my ever-more-desperate libido my next reaction would be:

2) Hey, is getting laid a possibility here?

If the movie does not, and from the previews it apparently doesn&#039;t, pursue this particular line of inquiry then I&#039;m gonna have a hard time with that old suspension-of-disbelief.

I liked Sixth Sense, and no I never got it unlike the happily-full-of-himself Mr. Farber, as for me the whole point of sitting down and watching a movie is to give my brain a break.  I&#039;m not really looking to see if Bruce Willis produces vapor trails or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>>And that seeing a mermaid in your pool means something.</p>

	<p>If I was a middle-aged guy living alone and I saw a mermaid in my pool my first reaction would be:</p>

	<p>1) Jesus I need to get laid.</p>

	<p>Upon discovering that she isn&#8217;t just a figment of my ever-more-desperate libido my next reaction would be:</p>

	<p>2) Hey, is getting laid a possibility here?</p>

	<p>If the movie does not, and from the previews it apparently doesn&#8217;t, pursue this particular line of inquiry then I&#8217;m gonna have a hard time with that old suspension-of-disbelief.</p>

	<p>I liked Sixth Sense, and no I never got it unlike the happily-full-of-himself Mr. Farber, as for me the whole point of sitting down and watching a movie is to give my brain a break.  I&#8217;m not really looking to see if Bruce Willis produces vapor trails or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Russell, that actually sheds a lot of light on it for me. Mind you, I&#039;m as nerdy as the next guy, but comic books have never been my particular nerd-sphere.

I stand by my &quot;Village-as-approving-parable-of-Straussian-theory&quot; conviction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Russell, that actually sheds a lot of light on it for me. Mind you, I&#8217;m as nerdy as the next guy, but comic books have never been my particular nerd-sphere.</p>

	<p>I stand by my &#8220;Village-as-approving-parable-of-Straussian-theory&#8221; conviction.</p>
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		<title>By: 99</title>
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		<dc:creator>99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t surprise me that nerds is everywhere, as are fanboys. Why I find odd is the perverse need to try and re-assert adolescent arguments of value. I read Stephen King growing up. Then I became an adult. I don&#039;t disavow that interest, since it was part of an intellectual progression, and I really enjoyed the travels. Occassionally, I can pick up older King works and (re)read them, and like it. But it&#039;s not some abstruse affectation that causes me to avoid them. They just aren&#039;t that well-written, and most times I find them tedious and long-winded. I&#039;d rather spend the afternoon rereading a three page story by Padgett Powell than racing through &lt;em&gt;The Stand&lt;/em&gt; again. 

Comic books are wooden characters, wooden art, and wooden stories. Superman is the dullest character in the history of fiction. Talking about them in the context of one&#039;s personal history, fine. But as adults, can we just all agree that they are shit and move on (and look, I spent five years, as an adult, working in comics, so don&#039;t tell me I just need to check out the latest Gaiman title for my ephiphany)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It doesn&#8217;t surprise me that nerds is everywhere, as are fanboys. Why I find odd is the perverse need to try and re-assert adolescent arguments of value. I read Stephen King growing up. Then I became an adult. I don&#8217;t disavow that interest, since it was part of an intellectual progression, and I really enjoyed the travels. Occassionally, I can pick up older King works and (re)read them, and like it. But it&#8217;s not some abstruse affectation that causes me to avoid them. They just aren&#8217;t that well-written, and most times I find them tedious and long-winded. I&#8217;d rather spend the afternoon rereading a three page story by Padgett Powell than racing through <em>The Stand</em> again.</p>

	<p>Comic books are wooden characters, wooden art, and wooden stories. Superman is the dullest character in the history of fiction. Talking about them in the context of one&#8217;s personal history, fine. But as adults, can we just all agree that they are shit and move on (and look, I spent five years, as an adult, working in comics, so don&#8217;t tell me I just need to check out the latest Gaiman title for my ephiphany)?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt C (and others):

No doubt comic nerdry has a fair amount to do with the love for &lt;i&gt;Unbreakable&lt;/i&gt; here and many other places on the internet; us nerds is everywhere. Still, granting the (admittedly arguable) premise that superheroes and comic books are worth telling stories about, look at that film again. One, it&#039;s about comic books. Two, it tells a comic book story. Three, it features a comic book hero. It weaves all of these together into an (I think) fairly compelling drama that catches up not just a couple of strange characters but an ordinary family working through their problems as well. So far so good, right. Then comes the final two minutes of the film. BAM! Suddenly, all us nerds realize that, this isn&#039;t just a twist like in &lt;i&gt;Sixth Sense&lt;/i&gt;, we haven&#039;t misunderstood and/or been misdirected by something central to the plot of the movie: we have, in fact, made or been led to make a &lt;i&gt;category&lt;/i&gt; mistake about the plot of the movie! &lt;i&gt;Unbreakable&lt;/i&gt; isn&#039;t using comic books to tell a story; it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a comic book story. For me, the final frame of the film, when we&#039;re informed that Mr. Glass has been sent to an &quot;institute for the criminally insane,&quot; is what sealed the deal. (Because who ever gets sent to institutes for the criminally insane, anyway? Comic book supervillians do! And what do they do at those institutes? THEY ESCAPE! I hadn&#039;t spent the previous two hours watching a movie that realistically played with all sorts of comic books elements; I had, in fact, been watching a filmed comic book. I was floored.)

But I guess if you don&#039;t get it, you don&#039;t get it.

I thought both &lt;i&gt;Sixth Sense&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Signs&lt;/i&gt; were fairly melodramatic and often forced in terms of plot, but both nonetheless worked as thrillers, at least up through their final twists. &lt;i&gt;Sixth Sense&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s twist resulted in something mushy and supposedly romantic; I liked it well enough. &lt;i&gt;Signs&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s final &quot;twist,&quot; on the other hand, was just too ham-fisted for my tastes. Overall, I like the movie and the characters very much (Gibson&#039;s confrontation with Shyamalan&#039;s character in the truck was fantastically done), but as a friend of mine put it, an alien invasion is just &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; too big a McGuffin to put into your film, plot-wise, if all you want to achieve by way of suspense and release is a little story about faith.

I haven&#039;t seen &lt;i&gt;The Village&lt;/i&gt;. I was hopeful that &lt;i&gt;The Lady in the Water&lt;/i&gt; was going to be a G-rated, up-front fairy tale; that is, something genuinely &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; from Shyamalan at last. Not yet, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Matt C (and others):</p>

	<p>No doubt comic nerdry has a fair amount to do with the love for <i>Unbreakable</i> here and many other places on the internet; us nerds is everywhere. Still, granting the (admittedly arguable) premise that superheroes and comic books are worth telling stories about, look at that film again. One, it&#8217;s about comic books. Two, it tells a comic book story. Three, it features a comic book hero. It weaves all of these together into an (I think) fairly compelling drama that catches up not just a couple of strange characters but an ordinary family working through their problems as well. So far so good, right. Then comes the final two minutes of the film. <span class="caps">BAM</span>! Suddenly, all us nerds realize that, this isn&#8217;t just a twist like in <i>Sixth Sense</i>, we haven&#8217;t misunderstood and/or been misdirected by something central to the plot of the movie: we have, in fact, made or been led to make a <i>category</i> mistake about the plot of the movie! <i>Unbreakable</i> isn&#8217;t using comic books to tell a story; it <i>is</i> a comic book story. For me, the final frame of the film, when we&#8217;re informed that Mr. Glass has been sent to an &#8220;institute for the criminally insane,&#8221; is what sealed the deal. (Because who ever gets sent to institutes for the criminally insane, anyway? Comic book supervillians do! And what do they do at those institutes? <span class="caps">THEY ESCAPE</span>! I hadn&#8217;t spent the previous two hours watching a movie that realistically played with all sorts of comic books elements; I had, in fact, been watching a filmed comic book. I was floored.)</p>

	<p>But I guess if you don&#8217;t get it, you don&#8217;t get it.</p>

	<p>I thought both <i>Sixth Sense</i> and <i>Signs</i> were fairly melodramatic and often forced in terms of plot, but both nonetheless worked as thrillers, at least up through their final twists. <i>Sixth Sense</i>&#8217;s twist resulted in something mushy and supposedly romantic; I liked it well enough. <i>Signs</i>&#8217;s final &#8220;twist,&#8221; on the other hand, was just too ham-fisted for my tastes. Overall, I like the movie and the characters very much (Gibson&#8217;s confrontation with Shyamalan&#8217;s character in the truck was fantastically done), but as a friend of mine put it, an alien invasion is just <i>way</i> too big a McGuffin to put into your film, plot-wise, if all you want to achieve by way of suspense and release is a little story about faith.</p>

	<p>I haven&#8217;t seen <i>The Village</i>. I was hopeful that <i>The Lady in the Water</i> was going to be a G-rated, up-front fairy tale; that is, something genuinely <i>different</i> from Shyamalan at last. Not yet, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, what the fuck is it about Unbreakable?  Are superhero orgin stories such catnip that even an absurdly ponderous one like Unbreakable is considered the bees knees?  And &quot;fun&quot; is about the last word I would use to describe Unbreakable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seriously, what the fuck is it about Unbreakable?  Are superhero orgin stories such catnip that even an absurdly ponderous one like Unbreakable is considered the bees knees?  And &#8220;fun&#8221; is about the last word I would use to describe Unbreakable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought &lt;a href=&quot;http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/books/10masl.html?n=Top%2fFeatures%2fBooks%2fBook%20Reviews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; was fairly funny, though when I said so at &lt;i&gt;Unfogged&lt;/i&gt;, no one commented, so maybe not.  (Although above someone quoted a bit of it, with no link, oddly.)

Being lazy, I&#039;ll just repeat some of what I said &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unfogged.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/unfogged/managed-mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=5139&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; a few days ago: My problem with Shyamalan is that I have umpty years of experience editing and reading fiction, and I have a pretty good feel for where plots will go unless you&#039;ve very good and original (Geoff Ryman, say).

&quot;He&#039;s made one good movie (6th Sense), one passable movie (Unbreakable), and at least one bad movie (Signs).&quot;

So, I have a different ranking. I liked &lt;i&gt;Unbreakable&lt;/i&gt; quite a lot; it&#039;s one of the still relatively few good superhero films ever done.

I thought &lt;i&gt;6th Sense&lt;/i&gt; was well-executed, more or less, but found it unbelievably boring and tedious to sit through, because about ten minutes in I said, okay, so&amp;so is dead, I get it. And sat through the rest of the film tapping my fingers, waiting for it to end. I did the equivalent with &lt;i&gt;The Usual Suspects&lt;/i&gt;, which I found equally mind-numbingly boring, I&#039;m afraid.

Trick-ending stories are one-trick ponies if they depend on the &quot;twist ending&quot; to work, and if you see the &quot;twist&quot; at the beginning of the movie, they&#039;re agonizing.

On this basis, I read the reviews and saw the ads for &lt;i&gt;The Village&lt;/i&gt;, and figured out what the plot obviously was, which I confirmed a while later via googling. Never even bothered to see it.

&lt;i&gt;Signs&lt;/i&gt; I also skipped until I finally had it on in the background on tv while reading, a couple of months ago when it was broadcast by a network. Gibson was okay, as were the other actors, but otherwise: eh -- so what? And the notion that the aliens would be driven off by water: jeebus, he wasn&#039;t around to watch everyone in the sf community laugh themselves sick at how moronic it was when the aliens in V were invading Earth because we had, gasp, water! Like, y&#039;know, they couldn&#039;t just grab some of the most fucking common compound in the universe anywhere.

[...]

I certainly haven&#039;t seen anything about &lt;i&gt;Lady in the Water&lt;/i&gt; to rouse my interest.

But &lt;i&gt;Unbreakable&lt;/i&gt; was fun. [....]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought <a href="http://movies2.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/books/10masl.html?n=Top%2fFeatures%2fBooks%2fBook%20Reviews" rel="nofollow">this</a> was fairly funny, though when I said so at <i>Unfogged</i>, no one commented, so maybe not.  (Although above someone quoted a bit of it, with no link, oddly.)</p>

	<p>Being lazy, I&#8217;ll just repeat some of what I said <a href="http://www.unfogged.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/unfogged/managed-mt/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=5139" rel="nofollow">here</a> a few days ago: My problem with Shyamalan is that I have umpty years of experience editing and reading fiction, and I have a pretty good feel for where plots will go unless you&#8217;ve very good and original (Geoff Ryman, say).</p>

	<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s made one good movie (6th Sense), one passable movie (Unbreakable), and at least one bad movie (Signs).&#8221;</p>

	<p>So, I have a different ranking. I liked <i>Unbreakable</i> quite a lot; it&#8217;s one of the still relatively few good superhero films ever done.</p>

	<p>I thought <i>6th Sense</i> was well-executed, more or less, but found it unbelievably boring and tedious to sit through, because about ten minutes in I said, okay, so&#038;so is dead, I get it. And sat through the rest of the film tapping my fingers, waiting for it to end. I did the equivalent with <i>The Usual Suspects</i>, which I found equally mind-numbingly boring, I&#8217;m afraid.</p>

	<p>Trick-ending stories are one-trick ponies if they depend on the &#8220;twist ending&#8221; to work, and if you see the &#8220;twist&#8221; at the beginning of the movie, they&#8217;re agonizing.</p>

	<p>On this basis, I read the reviews and saw the ads for <i>The Village</i>, and figured out what the plot obviously was, which I confirmed a while later via googling. Never even bothered to see it.</p>

	<p><i>Signs</i> I also skipped until I finally had it on in the background on tv while reading, a couple of months ago when it was broadcast by a network. Gibson was okay, as were the other actors, but otherwise: eh&#8212;so what? And the notion that the aliens would be driven off by water: jeebus, he wasn&#8217;t around to watch everyone in the sf community laugh themselves sick at how moronic it was when the aliens in V were invading Earth because we had, gasp, water! Like, y&#8217;know, they couldn&#8217;t just grab some of the most fucking common compound in the universe anywhere.</p>

	<p>[...]</p>

	<p>I certainly haven&#8217;t seen anything about <i>Lady in the Water</i> to rouse my interest.</p>

	<p>But <i>Unbreakable</i> was fun. [....]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then how come the very first scene after the big reveal that the whole community is a lie is the one in the ranger&#039;s office, with a newspaper splashed with headlines about war and street crime and, for the illiterates in the audience, a radio broadcasting same. Shamayalan is justifying the elders decisions within moments of the audience finding out the truth. And it&#039;s not just that the elders decide to continue with the community, its that the filmmaker does nothing at the end of the movie to undercut their faith in the venture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Then how come the very first scene after the big reveal that the whole community is a lie is the one in the ranger&#8217;s office, with a newspaper splashed with headlines about war and street crime and, for the illiterates in the audience, a radio broadcasting same. Shamayalan is justifying the elders decisions within moments of the audience finding out the truth. And it&#8217;s not just that the elders decide to continue with the community, its that the filmmaker does nothing at the end of the movie to undercut their faith in the venture.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Reeves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Reeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The beliefs and opinions of a character in a work of fiction do not necessarily reflect those of the creator.  The creators of the utopia may be happy with what they&#039;ve done, but how the community is maintained undercuts their stated good intentions. 

The whole series of events that led to the blind girl having to go outside of the village to get help shows the failure of the utopian experiment.  In the end, you can&#039;t keep out things like violence and jealousy because you&#039;re going to have them as long as you have people.

Perhaps I am giving S. more credit than he deserves, but my reading of &lt;i&gt;The Village&lt;/i&gt; is one in which the events in the narrative problematize the consensus of the village elders.  That the village elders figure that the events in the movie will only help &quot;business as usual&quot; doesn&#039;t mean that the village elders are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The beliefs and opinions of a character in a work of fiction do not necessarily reflect those of the creator.  The creators of the utopia may be happy with what they&#8217;ve done, but how the community is maintained undercuts their stated good intentions.</p>

	<p>The whole series of events that led to the blind girl having to go outside of the village to get help shows the failure of the utopian experiment.  In the end, you can&#8217;t keep out things like violence and jealousy because you&#8217;re going to have them as long as you have people.</p>

	<p>Perhaps I am giving S. more credit than he deserves, but my reading of <i>The Village</i> is one in which the events in the narrative problematize the consensus of the village elders.  That the village elders figure that the events in the movie will only help &#8220;business as usual&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that the village elders are right.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt_C</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch the very end of The Village, when all the elders are in Phoenix&#039;s room together and they all stand, one after the other, to vow to continue their fake uptopia, what with Adrien Brody&#039;s death helping to cement the legend of &quot;Those we do not speak of&quot; in the minds of the children. Everybody, including angsty William Hurt, is on board with continuing the lie.  Tell me what about that ending suggests that Shamayalan is really criticizing their made-up Vicotrian paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Watch the very end of The Village, when all the elders are in Phoenix&#8217;s room together and they all stand, one after the other, to vow to continue their fake uptopia, what with Adrien Brody&#8217;s death helping to cement the legend of &#8220;Those we do not speak of&#8221; in the minds of the children. Everybody, including angsty William Hurt, is on board with continuing the lie.  Tell me what about that ending suggests that Shamayalan is really criticizing their made-up Vicotrian paradise.</p>
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		<title>By: anon4300</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost as wrongheaded as aliens not having prepared a defense against water (couldn&#039;t they have worn bathing suits or something?) is the fact that the aliens are technologically advanced enough for space travel, while also being stupid enough to get stuck in a kitchen closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Almost as wrongheaded as aliens not having prepared a defense against water (couldn&#8217;t they have worn bathing suits or something?) is the fact that the aliens are technologically advanced enough for space travel, while also being stupid enough to get stuck in a kitchen closet.</p>
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