Comments on: Two Menances to the Keystone State http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/ Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:24:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: teep http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166187 teep Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:53:18 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166187 I am actually one of the people represented by Senator Santorum. During his tenure in DC, I have called his office on more than one occasion to render stirring variations on the theme of <i>please do not make us look like fools and bigots in front of the rest of the country</i>. Senator Santorum has not yet managed to achieve this single thing that I would like of my elected officials. I will not be voting for him come November. On Pennsylvanians and the automatic re-election of people already in office -- you might do well to ask State Senator Robert Jubelierer about that. (Jubelierer is my state senator like Rick Santorum is my in-Washington senator and Bud Schuster [former chair of the House Transportation Committee] used to be my in-Washington representative. The political landscape where I live is pretty discouraging. *sigh* I am actually one of the people represented by Senator Santorum. During his tenure in DC, I have called his office on more than one occasion to render stirring variations on the theme of please do not make us look like fools and bigots in front of the rest of the country. Senator Santorum has not yet managed to achieve this single thing that I would like of my elected officials. I will not be voting for him come November.

On Pennsylvanians and the automatic re-election of people already in office—you might do well to ask State Senator Robert Jubelierer about that. (Jubelierer is my state senator like Rick Santorum is my in-Washington senator and Bud Schuster [former chair of the House Transportation Committee] used to be my in-Washington representative.

The political landscape where I live is pretty discouraging. sigh

]]> By: Matt Kuzma http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166121 Matt Kuzma Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:48:51 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166121 If you read the entirety of the Mark Liberman article, you'll find that the quoted text is itself a quote from Benjamin Franklin. The conclusion of the post is: <i>A number of earlier Language Log posts have focused on America's varied linguistic landscape during its first couple of hundred years. This was never a linguistic garden of Eden -- whatever you think prelapsarian social norms should be like -- but viewed in the light of history, the current anxiety over linguistic identity seems exaggerated. By most measures, English in America seems to be stronger than it's ever been.</i> If you read the entirety of the Mark Liberman article, you’ll find that the quoted text is itself a quote from Benjamin Franklin. The conclusion of the post is:

A number of earlier Language Log posts have focused on America’s varied linguistic landscape during its first couple of hundred years. This was never a linguistic garden of Eden—whatever you think prelapsarian social norms should be like—but viewed in the light of history, the current anxiety over linguistic identity seems exaggerated. By most measures, English in America seems to be stronger than it’s ever been.

]]> By: pdf23ds http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166110 pdf23ds Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:16:11 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166110 "the US is the borg" And it's somehow unique or unusual in this regard? I think not. “the US is the borg”

And it’s somehow unique or unusual in this regard? I think not.

]]> By: Seth Edenbaum http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166103 Seth Edenbaum Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:47:44 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166103 What's the point of modeling an image of the world that will never succeed in representing it: why would someone choose to define himself as either a prosecutor or a defender rather than as a lawyer? (What's the point of arguing for original intent when by the act of arguing you describe a process that contradicts your premise?) If you are opposed to deontological idealism as such, then you should be opposed to Evo Morales. If not, then you should use more complex terms. The relationships between systems: prosecutor/defender, rationality/conditioned response, (Morales-Santorum/Shalizi?), are more philosohically interesting than any system on its own. What’s the point of modeling an image of the world that will never succeed in representing it: why would someone choose to define himself as either a prosecutor or a defender rather than as a lawyer? (What’s the point of arguing for original intent when by the act of arguing you describe a process that contradicts your premise?)

If you are opposed to deontological idealism as such, then you should be opposed to Evo Morales. If not, then you should use more complex terms.

The relationships between systems: prosecutor/defender, rationality/conditioned response, (Morales-Santorum/Shalizi?), are more philosohically interesting than any system on its own.

]]> By: Ted http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166070 Ted Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:01:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166070 Now I see the problem: a typo, carried over from the original - "25" should be "250" - or is that an intentional typo and I'm too dumb to realize it? Also, the textbook I use to teach Intro to American Government (Fiorina and Peterson, _New American Democracy_) has that Franklin quote in it in the chapter about diversity and immigration. Now I see the problem: a typo, carried over from the original – “25” should be “250” – or is that an intentional typo and I’m too dumb to realize it?

Also, the textbook I use to teach Intro to American Government (Fiorina and Peterson, New American Democracy) has that Franklin quote in it in the chapter about diversity and immigration.

]]> By: bad Jim http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166062 bad Jim Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:47 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166062 <a href="http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/" rel="nofollow">Santorum</a>, at least, hasn't gone as far as <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43048-2004Jul11.html" rel="nofollow">Cornryn</a>: <blockquote>It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle.</blockquote> He failed to add that it's turtles all the way down. Santorum, at least, hasn’t gone as far as Cornryn:

It does not affect your daily life very much if your neighbor marries a box turtle.

He failed to add that it’s turtles all the way down.

]]> By: jet http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166027 jet Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:51:10 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166027 As best I can tell, 1910 was the high point for percentage foreign born in the US. 1850 was around 9%, 1910 was around 14% and now we're at around 12%. What probably has everyone flustered is that when these people were kids, the percentage was less than 5%. Me, I feel sorry for immigrants. What they don't realize is the US is the borg. Their great-grandkids might be able to hold onto their culture. But after that, its McDonalds, apple pie, and the 4th of July. Not that there is anything wrong with applie pie, but if there was only one way to make apple pie and it only had one flavor, well it would get pretty god damned boring after a while. Is there a recipe for Mexican apple pie? As best I can tell, 1910 was the high point for percentage foreign born in the US. 1850 was around 9%, 1910 was around 14% and now we’re at around 12%. What probably has everyone flustered is that when these people were kids, the percentage was less than 5%.

Me, I feel sorry for immigrants. What they don’t realize is the US is the borg. Their great-grandkids might be able to hold onto their culture. But after that, its McDonalds, apple pie, and the 4th of July. Not that there is anything wrong with applie pie, but if there was only one way to make apple pie and it only had one flavor, well it would get pretty god damned boring after a while.

Is there a recipe for Mexican apple pie?

]]> By: cosma http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166026 cosma Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:44:57 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166026 Cala: Coleslaw in the sandwich is great, but fries in the sandwich I'm still getting used to, and I don't think I'll ever come around to fries in the salad. Seth: Maybe I'll regret asking this, but: <i>why</i> can't someone be a convinced democrat, and no friend to rule by a panel of experts, <i>and</i> a utilitarian materialist, or for that matter a deontological idealist? I don't see how these issues have anything to do with one another. Cala: Coleslaw in the sandwich is great, but fries in the sandwich I’m still getting used to, and I don’t think I’ll ever come around to fries in the salad.

Seth: Maybe I’ll regret asking this, but: why can’t someone be a convinced democrat, and no friend to rule by a panel of experts, and a utilitarian materialist, or for that matter a deontological idealist? I don’t see how these issues have anything to do with one another.

]]> By: David Sucher http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166013 David Sucher Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:12:45 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166013 Sidelight: Santorum's opponent Bob Casey will <a href="http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/07/casey_to_savage_take.php" rel="nofollow">not accept campaign donation</a> from writer Dan Savage. Sidelight: Santorum’s opponent Bob Casey will not accept campaign donation from writer Dan Savage.

]]> By: Cala http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166006 Cala Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:15:26 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166006 It's French fries in the sandwich, and the coleslaw in the sandwich. That's the Pittsburgh thing. As to the linguist, nihil novi sub sole, eh? It’s French fries in the sandwich, and the coleslaw in the sandwich. That’s the Pittsburgh thing.

As to the linguist, nihil novi sub sole, eh?

]]> By: Jamie http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-166000 Jamie Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:20:42 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-166000 I can't tell how many of the commenters realize that Liberman is having a little fun at the expense of the 'English First' crowd. Click the link to get in on the joke. I can’t tell how many of the commenters realize that Liberman is having a little fun at the expense of the ‘English First’ crowd. Click the link to get in on the joke.

]]> By: Seth Edenbaum http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-165999 Seth Edenbaum Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:17:15 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-165999 I was referring only to the complex structure called Democracy, as opposed to the simple one known as <i>The Panel of Experts</i>. --- <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19210" rel="nofollow">deontologial idealism</a> I was referring only to the complex structure called Democracy, as opposed to the simple one known as The Panel of Experts.—-
deontologial idealism

]]> By: Bill Gardner http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-165991 Bill Gardner Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:03:22 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-165991 Marcel @14: I apologize. I meant to write zweifellose. Marcel @14:

I apologize. I meant to write zweifellose.

]]> By: cosma http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-165988 cosma Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:49:26 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-165988 seth: "The third option of course, is to prefer the rule of law itself." Actually, I suspect I would be happy to agree to that, though it would depend somewhat on the content of "the rule of law". seth: “The third option of course, is to prefer the rule of law itself.”

Actually, I suspect I would be happy to agree to that, though it would depend somewhat on the content of “the rule of law”.

]]> By: marcel http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/25/two-menances-to-the-keystone-state/comment-page-1/#comment-165987 marcel Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:45:56 +0000 http://crookedtimber.org/?p=4941#comment-165987 Mr. Gardner (14): <i>doubtlessly</i>? Mr. Gardner (14): doubtlessly?

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