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		<title>By: Kevin Donoghue</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166754</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donoghue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is usual for Steve to appear and quickly disappear. He&#039;s a drive-by troll. I suspect he thinks of himself as leaving the room with silent dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It is usual for Steve to appear and quickly disappear. He&#8217;s a drive-by troll. I suspect he thinks of himself as leaving the room with silent dignity.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166728</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve appears to have disappeared, by the way.</description>
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		<title>By: Randy Paul</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166727</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s an Instaparrot!

Indeed.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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	<p>Indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: derrida derider</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166726</link>
		<dc:creator>derrida derider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He’s emeritus without the prior merit.&lt;/i&gt;

What a wonderful put-down, john - I&#039;ll tuck that one away in the memory banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>He&#8217;s emeritus without the prior merit.</i></p>

	<p>What a wonderful put-down, john &#8211; I&#8217;ll tuck that one away in the memory banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166717</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always considered the Podhoretz&#039;s the Joan and Melissa Rivers of right-wing punditry, the elder having turned in some moderately interesting work in the (far) past, the younger completely devoid of anything resembling talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve always considered the Podhoretz&#8217;s the Joan and Melissa Rivers of right-wing punditry, the elder having turned in some moderately interesting work in the (far) past, the younger completely devoid of anything resembling talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166710</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It’s an Instaparrot!&lt;/i&gt;

Heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It&#8217;s an Instaparrot!</i></p>

	<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166709</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, Glenn &#039;InstaBS&#039; Reynolds was the source of at least quote from Josh, which, when ripped out of context, made Josh look bloodthirsty.  Showing that the U Tenn Law School won&#039;t concede the title for &#039;Most full of lying wh*reson law professors&#039; to Harvard any time soon, even though Harvard has Alan &#039;It sounded better in the original German&#039; Derschowitz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">IIRC</span>, Glenn &#8216;InstaBS&#8217; Reynolds was the source of at least quote from Josh, which, when ripped out of context, made Josh look bloodthirsty.  Showing that the U Tenn Law School won&#8217;t concede the title for &#8216;Most full of lying wh*reson law professors&#8217; to Harvard any time soon, even though Harvard has Alan &#8216;It sounded better in the original German&#8217; Derschowitz.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166708</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Josh Marshall said the same thing-&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009237.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Instaparrot&lt;/a&gt;! And since Greg Djerejian pointed out exactly how disingenuous and sneaky Reynold&#039;s misreading was, one can only presume that &#039;steve&#039; either didn&#039;t read the linked piece, or didn&#039;t understand it. Are you Glenn Reynolds in disguise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Josh Marshall said the same thing-</i></p>

	<p>It&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009237.php" rel="nofollow">Instaparrot</a>! And since Greg Djerejian pointed out exactly how disingenuous and sneaky Reynold&#8217;s misreading was, one can only presume that &#8216;steve&#8217; either didn&#8217;t read the linked piece, or didn&#8217;t understand it. Are you Glenn Reynolds in disguise?</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166704</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BGN, Billy the kid, overrated? John Wesley Hardin was overrated. Billy the Kid deserves his legend. Among outlaws, he still remains the Rimbaud of the bunch, and what a death! Robert Utley renders the best judgment on the Kid in his bio:

“Until near the end of his life, he could thank the newspapers for this standing [as a peerless outlaw]. His actual exploits did not support the reputation. Then a sensational capture, trial and escape gave validity to the newspaper portrait, and a violent death, publicized to the entire nation, fixed it indelibly in the public memory for all time.”

Cummings was mistaken about the object of his poem -- it wasn&#039;t buffalo bill. It was the Kid: &quot;and what i want to know is
how do you like your blueeyed boy
Mister Death&quot;

Obviously, you, BGN, are not from Lincoln County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">BGN</span>, Billy the kid, overrated? John Wesley Hardin was overrated. Billy the Kid deserves his legend. Among outlaws, he still remains the Rimbaud of the bunch, and what a death! Robert Utley renders the best judgment on the Kid in his bio:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Until near the end of his life, he could thank the newspapers for this standing [as a peerless outlaw]. His actual exploits did not support the reputation. Then a sensational capture, trial and escape gave validity to the newspaper portrait, and a violent death, publicized to the entire nation, fixed it indelibly in the public memory for all time.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Cummings was mistaken about the object of his poem&#8212;it wasn&#8217;t buffalo bill. It was the Kid: &#8220;and what i want to know is<br />
how do you like your blueeyed boy<br />
Mister Death&#8221;</p>

	<p>Obviously, you, <span class="caps">BGN</span>, are not from Lincoln County.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166703</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;last few days&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;last few days&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166700</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, if you&#039;re not a troll, check up on what JMM&#039;s been saying over the next few days, and get back to us.

Here&#039;s Josh&#039;s last line (emphasis added) at the link you provided:

&lt;i&gt;Doing that in a foreign country may require a mauling of the civilian population that we are &lt;b&gt;rightly&lt;/b&gt; unwilling to undertake. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Steve, if you&#8217;re not a troll, check up on what <span class="caps">JMM</span>&#8217;s been saying over the next few days, and get back to us.</p>

	<p>Here&#8217;s Josh&#8217;s last line (emphasis added) at the link you provided:</p>

	<p><i>Doing that in a foreign country may require a mauling of the civilian population that we are <b>rightly</b> unwilling to undertake. </i></p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166697</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh Marshall said the same thing-

http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/031903.aspx

Is Josh an immoral right winger too?

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Josh Marshall said the same thing-</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/031903.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/031903.aspx</a></p>

	<p>Is Josh an immoral right winger too?</p>

	<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166691</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Podhoretz&#039;s oeuvre consists entirely of the kind of book that normal authors publish only after they&#039;ve established their reputations -- memoirs, occasional essays. He&#039;s emeritus without the prior merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Podhoretz&#8217;s oeuvre consists entirely of the kind of book that normal authors publish only after they&#8217;ve established their reputations&#8212;memoirs, occasional essays. He&#8217;s emeritus without the prior merit.</p>
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		<title>By: BGN</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166687</link>
		<dc:creator>BGN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have to wonder whether he’s read anything that Norman Podhoretz has written in the last decade or so.&lt;/i&gt;

Last decade?  At least since 1980 or thereabouts.   The man is the most overrated American since at least Billy the Kid.  He has always been a bloody-minded pompous twit--a failed poet turned failed literary critic--whose intellectual horizons gave out somewhere east of the Hudson around 1957, and whose writings show no sign of scholarship on any level above that of a randonly selected Beltway pundit. His intellectual &quot;accomplishments&quot; are a total mystery to me; but you&#039;d think the man were Daniel f*ck*ng Bell twenty times over the way people at the New Republic and the NYT suck up to him.  

(Then again, I suppose as a gay man I would be prejudiced against the male half of Manhattan&#039;s most homophobic power couple.  This is a man who back in the 1980s, in his book &lt;i&gt;The Present Danger&lt;/i&gt; about resurgent Soviet Communism, blamed British appeasement of the Nazis in the 1930s entirely on those evil fag pacifists like W.H. Auden &amp; E.M. Forster.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I have to wonder whether he&#8217;s read anything that Norman Podhoretz has written in the last decade or so.</i></p>

	<p>Last decade?  At least since 1980 or thereabouts.   The man is the most overrated American since at least Billy the Kid.  He has always been a bloody-minded pompous twit&#8212;a failed poet turned failed literary critic&#8212;whose intellectual horizons gave out somewhere east of the Hudson around 1957, and whose writings show no sign of scholarship on any level above that of a randonly selected Beltway pundit. His intellectual &#8220;accomplishments&#8221; are a total mystery to me; but you&#8217;d think the man were Daniel f*ck*ng Bell twenty times over the way people at the New Republic and the <span class="caps">NYT</span> suck up to him.</p>

	<p>(Then again, I suppose as a gay man I would be prejudiced against the male half of Manhattan&#8217;s most homophobic power couple.  This is a man who back in the 1980s, in his book <i>The Present Danger</i> about resurgent Soviet Communism, blamed British appeasement of the Nazis in the 1930s entirely on those evil fag pacifists like W.H. Auden &#038; E.M. Forster.)</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/07/29/apple-tree/comment-page-1/#comment-166686</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Up until 2003, the supposed unwarlike and unmurderous character of democracy was thought of as a good thing.&lt;/i&gt;

Back in the Cold War, hard-nosed conservatives liked to prove their &quot;realist&quot; bona fides and foreign policy &quot;seriousness&quot; by solemnly intoning, &quot;If you want peace, prepare for war.&quot;

Over the past several years, our Dear Leader (who has all his thinking done for him by Cold War vets) has supplanted this bit of conventional wisdom with something far more radical: &quot;If you want peace, wage war.&quot;

And as time goes on, those at the dynamic forefront of the seriousness industry, like the fearsomely macho Podhoretz fils, are busily laying the groundwork for a new conventional wisdom for the new millenium: &quot;Peace is highly overrated, anyway.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Up until 2003, the supposed unwarlike and unmurderous character of democracy was thought of as a good thing.</i></p>

	<p>Back in the Cold War, hard-nosed conservatives liked to prove their &#8220;realist&#8221; bona fides and foreign policy &#8220;seriousness&#8221; by solemnly intoning, &#8220;If you want peace, prepare for war.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Over the past several years, our Dear Leader (who has all his thinking done for him by Cold War vets) has supplanted this bit of conventional wisdom with something far more radical: &#8220;If you want peace, wage war.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And as time goes on, those at the dynamic forefront of the seriousness industry, like the fearsomely macho Podhoretz fils, are busily laying the groundwork for a new conventional wisdom for the new millenium: &#8220;Peace is highly overrated, anyway.&#8221; </p>
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