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		<title>By: Flaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come to love Malkmus&#039; solo stuff recently. I would suggest buying both of them and enjoying. 4 is just a taste; a smorgasbord awaits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have come to love Malkmus&#8217; solo stuff recently. I would suggest buying both of them and enjoying. 4 is just a taste; a smorgasbord awaits.</p>
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		<title>By: John Holbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Holbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post title and song list updated in response to ellenberg&#039;s correct criticism. 

Hilzoy, I&#039;ve got a paper on my desk by one John Christian Laursen, &quot;The Subversive Kant: The Vocabulary of &#039;Public&#039; and &#039;Publicity&#039;&quot; (in &lt;em&gt;What is Enlightenment?&lt;/em&gt;, an anthology edited by James Schmidt, University of California Press, 1996). He argues that, by the standards of Kant&#039;s day, it would have been weird usage: 

&quot;Kant&#039;s usage of &#039;public&#039; to refer exclusively to writers and the reading public is striking today, and it would have been in Kant&#039;s day, too. We are accustomed to thinking of a career in civil service as part of our &quot;public life&quot; and any writing that we might do evenings and weekends as our own private affair. As any scholars have noticed, kant turned this meaning around. I shall explore sources for this alternative usage below.&quot;

He does so. &quot;By the eighteenth century, the process of reduction of &quot;public to &quot;pertaining to the state&quot; had reached a high point among legal writers.&quot; For examle: &quot;In 1762 the jurist Georg Wiesand wrote that res publica, including everything from rivers, forests, and salt licks to light and water, belong to the prince. They were &#039;public&#039; not because they were out in the open or of general use but because the prince claimed to own them.&quot;

In view of this sort of usage, Kant&#039;s is alleged to be highly provocative, although he is not alone. Usage by Lessing, Wieland and others is cited. 

I have no opinion about it, really. But apparently at least some scholars think it really was a &#039;cunning reversal&#039; of sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Post title and song list updated in response to ellenberg&#8217;s correct criticism.</p>

	<p>Hilzoy, I&#8217;ve got a paper on my desk by one John Christian Laursen, &#8220;The Subversive Kant: The Vocabulary of &#8216;Public&#8217; and &#8216;Publicity&#8217;&#8221; (in <em>What is Enlightenment?</em>, an anthology edited by James Schmidt, University of California Press, 1996). He argues that, by the standards of Kant&#8217;s day, it would have been weird usage:</p>

	<p>&#8220;Kant&#8217;s usage of &#8216;public&#8217; to refer exclusively to writers and the reading public is striking today, and it would have been in Kant&#8217;s day, too. We are accustomed to thinking of a career in civil service as part of our &#8220;public life&#8221; and any writing that we might do evenings and weekends as our own private affair. As any scholars have noticed, kant turned this meaning around. I shall explore sources for this alternative usage below.&#8221;</p>

	<p>He does so. &#8220;By the eighteenth century, the process of reduction of &#8220;public to &#8220;pertaining to the state&#8221; had reached a high point among legal writers.&#8221; For examle: &#8220;In 1762 the jurist Georg Wiesand wrote that res publica, including everything from rivers, forests, and salt licks to light and water, belong to the prince. They were &#8216;public&#8217; not because they were out in the open or of general use but because the prince claimed to own them.&#8221;</p>

	<p>In view of this sort of usage, Kant&#8217;s is alleged to be highly provocative, although he is not alone. Usage by Lessing, Wieland and others is cited.</p>

	<p>I have no opinion about it, really. But apparently at least some scholars think it really was a &#8216;cunning reversal&#8217; of sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: hilzoy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/06/jennifer-and-the-ess-dog/comment-page-1/#comment-167614</link>
		<dc:creator>hilzoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 05:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno; I&#039;ve always found it helpful, when considering Kant on public/private in this essay, to think of the distinction as related to that between the general will and particular wills. The public is universal; the private is specific and limited. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;cunnning reversal&quot;, etc., just a usage that&#039;s as unfamiliar to us as the idea that particular wills, qua particular, must be in some way defective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I dunno; I&#8217;ve always found it helpful, when considering Kant on public/private in this essay, to think of the distinction as related to that between the general will and particular wills. The public is universal; the private is specific and limited. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a &#8220;cunnning reversal&#8221;, etc., just a usage that&#8217;s as unfamiliar to us as the idea that particular wills, qua particular, must be in some way defective.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Hook&quot; is a fun little tune...so is &quot;Oyster,&quot; for that matter. And I say that as someone who never liked Pavement in the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The Hook&#8221; is a fun little tune&#8230;so is &#8220;Oyster,&#8221; for that matter. And I say that as someone who never liked Pavement in the least.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Ellenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Ellenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Baby Yeah&quot; on Luxe and Reduxe is a nice complement to &quot;Baby C&#039;Mon.&quot;  Somewhat surprisingly, Pavement was always really good on their occasional straight ahead rockers.  (I&#039;d put &quot;Two States&quot; here, too.)  Last song on your list is properly titled &quot;Jenny &amp; the Ess-Dog,&quot; by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Baby Yeah&#8221; on Luxe and Reduxe is a nice complement to &#8220;Baby C&#8217;Mon.&#8221;  Somewhat surprisingly, Pavement was always really good on their occasional straight ahead rockers.  (I&#8217;d put &#8220;Two States&#8221; here, too.)  Last song on your list is properly titled &#8220;Jenny &#038; the Ess-Dog,&#8221; by the way.</p>
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