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	<title>Comments on: Recent &#8216;Continental Philosophy&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Thom Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks to Josh for his interesting post, with just a brief comment or two to add. First, it is true that the British Idealists were religious, many of them Puritans. This did not lead them to embrace the Tories, but, in fact, the Liberal Party: one thing uniting Idealists perhaps more than anything else is their staunch adherence to the Liberals. Few crossed over to the Labour Party and none (as far as I know) went to the Tories---certainly before the end of WWII. In a book I haven&#039;t found too persuasive, Matt Carter (secretary of the Labour Party today) claims a link from TH Green to Tony Blair. The good news would then be that the Idealists views on social reforms are alive. The bad news is that, well, Tony doesn&#039;t do any of them (and, hence, I found the book unpersuasive...not least because Green and friends were not Labour supporters at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Many thanks to Josh for his interesting post, with just a brief comment or two to add. First, it is true that the British Idealists were religious, many of them Puritans. This did not lead them to embrace the Tories, but, in fact, the Liberal Party: one thing uniting Idealists perhaps more than anything else is their staunch adherence to the Liberals. Few crossed over to the Labour Party and none (as far as I know) went to the Tories&#8212;-certainly before the end of <span class="caps">WWII</span>. In a book I haven&#8217;t found too persuasive, Matt Carter (secretary of the Labour Party today) claims a link from <span class="caps">TH </span>Green to Tony Blair. The good news would then be that the Idealists views on social reforms are alive. The bad news is that, well, Tony doesn&#8217;t do any of them (and, hence, I found the book unpersuasive&#8230;not least because Green and friends were not Labour supporters at all).</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lincoln Continental has been going downhill since 1980 or before, which fits the general timeline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Lincoln Continental has been going downhill since 1980 or before, which fits the general timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In tennis, breakfast, and philosophy, the continentals are under attack. And the Lincoln Continental is not doing too well either, even though the thought of Derrida driving down the road  in one is high-fuckin-larious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In tennis, breakfast, and philosophy, the continentals are under attack. And the Lincoln Continental is not doing too well either, even though the thought of Derrida driving down the road  in one is high-fuckin-larious.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curious that the term continental philosophy increased in use at just the time that the forehand tennis grip moved progressively from the continental grip to the western grip.

If John Emerson is correct, The Man may have started this shift with the introduction of the oversized Prince racquet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Curious that the term continental philosophy increased in use at just the time that the forehand tennis grip moved progressively from the continental grip to the western grip.</p>

	<p>If John Emerson is correct, The Man may have started this shift with the introduction of the oversized Prince racquet.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One factor which hasn&#039;t been stressed much thus far is the role of religion in all this. In Britain Idealism seems to have been associated with (some form of) religious belief, while logical positivism (and to a lesser extent other strains of early &#039;analytic&#039; philosophy) tended to be anti-clerical and atheistic. This certainly seems to have been a large part of the self-perception of many of the logical positivists as left-wing (Ayer stood as a Labour candidate somewhere in London, if I remember rightly), and of the Idealists (and some of the more dogmatic Oxford realists) as conservative. So there was a political element to this -- with, contra the general perception, the &#039;analytics&#039; representing the more &#039;left-wing&#039; party.
This may seem a bit strange, given both Idealism&#039;s earlier association with social reform, and the later association of &#039;continental&#039; philosophy with radicalism -- and the accusation that analytic philosophy is politically quietist, if not conservative (though, as Jason Stanley says [perhaps a bit too robustly], many analytic philosophers have tended, and tend, to be left-wing). But it does just show you how things change, as the forces of revolt become the reigning orthodoxy (I suspect that this had something to do with Idealism&#039;s decline: it was too hegemonically dominant for too long, and had to be swept away by something that seemed new, fresh, challenging -- that at least is the impression one gets from the memoirs of those involved in the revolt against it. I suspect that this is why the younger philosophers were attracted to the anti-Idealist camp -- which, as Thom Brooks suggests, is really what did for Idealism. 
At individual places, personality also seems to haveplayed a role -- viz Bradley and to a lesser extent Collingwood&#039;s isolation, in contrast to Ryle&#039;s and Austin&#039;s organisational capacity and Ayer&#039;s crusading, at Oxford -- but I don&#039;t see how this can explain the overall trend (especially since, as Thom Brooks says, it predated this period). There may be something to Collingwood&#039;s claim that the Idealists&#039; rivals tended to neglect politics -- and this may have helped them. The impression I get, looking at Oxford before and after WWI, is that the Idealist tutors were very concerned about (and good at) training students who then went into politics and administration (in which Idealist ideas retained an influence to after WWII), while the anti-Idealists focussed much more on training other academics, who eventually took over the universities. 
All in all, though, Thom Brooks is right -- we really don&#039;t know exactly what happened, and there&#039;s a lot of work to be done on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One factor which hasn&#8217;t been stressed much thus far is the role of religion in all this. In Britain Idealism seems to have been associated with (some form of) religious belief, while logical positivism (and to a lesser extent other strains of early &#8216;analytic&#8217; philosophy) tended to be anti-clerical and atheistic. This certainly seems to have been a large part of the self-perception of many of the logical positivists as left-wing (Ayer stood as a Labour candidate somewhere in London, if I remember rightly), and of the Idealists (and some of the more dogmatic Oxford realists) as conservative. So there was a political element to this&#8212;with, contra the general perception, the &#8216;analytics&#8217; representing the more &#8216;left-wing&#8217; party.<br />
This may seem a bit strange, given both Idealism&#8217;s earlier association with social reform, and the later association of &#8216;continental&#8217; philosophy with radicalism&#8212;and the accusation that analytic philosophy is politically quietist, if not conservative (though, as Jason Stanley says [perhaps a bit too robustly], many analytic philosophers have tended, and tend, to be left-wing). But it does just show you how things change, as the forces of revolt become the reigning orthodoxy (I suspect that this had something to do with Idealism&#8217;s decline: it was too hegemonically dominant for too long, and had to be swept away by something that seemed new, fresh, challenging&#8212;that at least is the impression one gets from the memoirs of those involved in the revolt against it. I suspect that this is why the younger philosophers were attracted to the anti-Idealist camp&#8212;which, as Thom Brooks suggests, is really what did for Idealism.<br />
At individual places, personality also seems to haveplayed a role&#8212;viz Bradley and to a lesser extent Collingwood&#8217;s isolation, in contrast to Ryle&#8217;s and Austin&#8217;s organisational capacity and Ayer&#8217;s crusading, at Oxford&#8212;but I don&#8217;t see how this can explain the overall trend (especially since, as Thom Brooks says, it predated this period). There may be something to Collingwood&#8217;s claim that the Idealists&#8217; rivals tended to neglect politics&#8212;and this may have helped them. The impression I get, looking at Oxford before and after <span class="caps">WWI</span>, is that the Idealist tutors were very concerned about (and good at) training students who then went into politics and administration (in which Idealist ideas retained an influence to after <span class="caps">WWII</span>), while the anti-Idealists focussed much more on training other academics, who eventually took over the universities.<br />
All in all, though, Thom Brooks is right&#8212;we really don&#8217;t know exactly what happened, and there&#8217;s a lot of work to be done on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignacio Prado</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ignacio Prado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think the most prominent and influential argument by an analytic philosopher that attempted to link the substance and style of Hegelian/Idealist philosophy to authoritarian and irrationalist politics was Popper&#039;s &quot;The Open Society and It Enemies.&quot;  How cogent Popper&#039;s own arguments and interpretations were is another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I would think the most prominent and influential argument by an analytic philosopher that attempted to link the substance and style of Hegelian/Idealist philosophy to authoritarian and irrationalist politics was Popper&#8217;s &#8220;The Open Society and It Enemies.&#8221;  How cogent Popper&#8217;s own arguments and interpretations were is another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
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		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, allow me to express embarrassment a second time: it was unpardonable. Would a pound of my flesh provide sufficient recompense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David, allow me to express embarrassment a second time: it was unpardonable. Would a pound of my flesh provide sufficient recompense?</p>
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		<title>By: David Weman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, sorry, I was referring to &#039;engels&#039; and &#039;John Stanley&#039;. I&#039;m pretty sure they didn&#039;t understand comment 34 was snark.</description>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that Mirowski does provide concrete  details about the way the American university system was tied into the WWII war effort, and how &quot;operations research&quot; and other paradigms developed within the military came to be influential within postwar civilian intellectual enterprises, often with government and foundation encouragement. It&#039;s not just a &quot;connect the dots&quot; &quot;qui bono&quot; type argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I should add that Mirowski does provide concrete  details about the way the American university system was tied into the <span class="caps">WWII</span> war effort, and how &#8220;operations research&#8221; and other paradigms developed within the military came to be influential within postwar civilian intellectual enterprises, often with government and foundation encouragement. It&#8217;s not just a &#8220;connect the dots&#8221; &#8220;qui bono&#8221; type argument.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirowski&#039;s and McCumber&#039;s books on the post WWII developments in econ, phil, and elsewhere are really worth reading, even though Mirowski needs an editor and goes on too long. McCumber, and to a lesser degree Mirowski, overemphasize McCarthyism as a motive. 

What I see happening was a move away from all ideology in the direction of a sort of technocracy. In various areas formalization and statistics became dominant. 

Many of the logical positivists et al were leftists (although Wittgenstein&#039;s socialism, for example, was moderate by European standards). They seem to have been warmly accepted as long as they bracketed out their politics, which most of them did. (Irving Copi, an actual Communist at one point, wrote almost entirely about formal logic.)

In the aftermath of the disaster of WWII it was quite reasonable that a lot of continental thinkers might want to ditch their previous political committments, of course. I&#039;m not really alleging either opportunism or oppression.

Reading Mirowski it&#039;s pretty clear that the post-WWII context was technocratic American liberal imperialism, not any of the forms of American rightism (Christian, nativist, or free-marketer -- the American right was pretty lame in 1950).

My beef is that the philosophy produced does not do well on big-idea, world-view type questions, and effectively limits itself to making fine-tuning adjustments within a very narrow ideological framework. I&#039;m aware that there&#039;s a lot of stuff out there, but I find it weak (partly because of aggressively non-populist methodologism). I followed Left2Right&#039;s stuff for awhile, and it seems to me that analytic philosophy just doesn&#039;t work that way; only analytic philosophers could be interested in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mirowski&#8217;s and McCumber&#8217;s books on the post <span class="caps">WWII</span> developments in econ, phil, and elsewhere are really worth reading, even though Mirowski needs an editor and goes on too long. McCumber, and to a lesser degree Mirowski, overemphasize McCarthyism as a motive.</p>

	<p>What I see happening was a move away from all ideology in the direction of a sort of technocracy. In various areas formalization and statistics became dominant.</p>

	<p>Many of the logical positivists et al were leftists (although Wittgenstein&#8217;s socialism, for example, was moderate by European standards). They seem to have been warmly accepted as long as they bracketed out their politics, which most of them did. (Irving Copi, an actual Communist at one point, wrote almost entirely about formal logic.)</p>

	<p>In the aftermath of the disaster of <span class="caps">WWII</span> it was quite reasonable that a lot of continental thinkers might want to ditch their previous political committments, of course. I&#8217;m not really alleging either opportunism or oppression.</p>

	<p>Reading Mirowski it&#8217;s pretty clear that the post-WWII context was technocratic American liberal imperialism, not any of the forms of American rightism (Christian, nativist, or free-marketer&#8212;the American right was pretty lame in 1950).</p>

	<p>My beef is that the philosophy produced does not do well on big-idea, world-view type questions, and effectively limits itself to making fine-tuning adjustments within a very narrow ideological framework. I&#8217;m aware that there&#8217;s a lot of stuff out there, but I find it weak (partly because of aggressively non-populist methodologism). I followed Left2Right&#8217;s stuff for awhile, and it seems to me that analytic philosophy just doesn&#8217;t work that way; only analytic philosophers could be interested in that.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take the point: as I noted, I feared my dates with Russell were off and so they were. I should not have suggested that Russell was patriotic at all, but rather that &quot;in the air&quot; it may well have seemed right and proper for British philosophers to turn their knives on Idealism.

Evidence of the rather quick and dramatic death of Idealism in Britian is easier to come by when we look at old issues of Mind and IJE. These journals were most clearly dominated by Idealists (in particular, figures like Mackenzie and Muirhead) until the start of WWI. We then see a dramatic shift. I certainly grant that their opponents were gaining strength since the turn of the century, but the onset of WWI seems to have really helped the cause. Indeed, British Idealists, not least Muirhead, found themselves going to fairly considerable lengths to justify their interest in a way of doing/thinking about philosophy that had strong roots in Germany during WWI (most dramatically true with Muirhead&#039;s aforementioned pamphlet on Germans vs German philosophy that is quite a curious read).

Whilst it is most true that the rise of Moore coincided with the fall of the Idealists, as it were, I would want to state differently the way the movement died. The &quot;death&quot; seemed to be more in the form of its failure to gain new, significant members (with important exceptions, such as Collingwood, Oakeshott, etc) rather than its knights lay on their swords. Figures such as Sir Hector Hetherington, Sir Henry Jones, Mackenzie, etc continued to do great work both in writing (esp Jones and Mackenzie) and in society: Jones and Hetherington, for example, helped create universities in Wales. Muirhead helped pioneer Birmingham University. Indeed, Brum boasts both the Muirhead Tower and Muirhead Library. I once commented to a dear friend, Simon Caney, how wonderful it was to see buildings commemorate Muirhead---yet he&#039;d never heard of him. Of course, Muirhead was a major figure even post-war. His edited series &quot;The Muirhead Library&quot; published any number of important works, such as Bradley&#039;s Knowledge &amp; Appearance, the first translation of Hegel&#039;s PhG, Radhakrishnan&#039;s and Russell&#039;s early work, etc. Post-WWII their numbers depleted as they died off, as it were. Now, thankfully, interest in British Idealism is taking off yet again both with an eye towards understanding its past and developing its future---I&#039;m particularly interested in this second part.

There was time (pre-WWI) when one couldn&#039;t pick up an academic journal that wasn&#039;t dominated by the Idealists. When I went to write papers on both the decline of British Idealism and also on Hetherington, Muirhead, and Mackenzie, I was struck by the fact that about nothing had been written on these persons for at least fifty years. Perhaps we don&#039;t know much about what happened with the split from Idealism because we simply haven&#039;t thought about it much. I certainly share some this blame as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I take the point: as I noted, I feared my dates with Russell were off and so they were. I should not have suggested that Russell was patriotic at all, but rather that &#8220;in the air&#8221; it may well have seemed right and proper for British philosophers to turn their knives on Idealism.</p>

	<p>Evidence of the rather quick and dramatic death of Idealism in Britian is easier to come by when we look at old issues of Mind and <span class="caps">IJE</span>. These journals were most clearly dominated by Idealists (in particular, figures like Mackenzie and Muirhead) until the start of <span class="caps">WWI</span>. We then see a dramatic shift. I certainly grant that their opponents were gaining strength since the turn of the century, but the onset of <span class="caps">WWI</span> seems to have really helped the cause. Indeed, British Idealists, not least Muirhead, found themselves going to fairly considerable lengths to justify their interest in a way of doing/thinking about philosophy that had strong roots in Germany during <span class="caps">WWI </span>(most dramatically true with Muirhead&#8217;s aforementioned pamphlet on Germans vs German philosophy that is quite a curious read).</p>

	<p>Whilst it is most true that the rise of Moore coincided with the fall of the Idealists, as it were, I would want to state differently the way the movement died. The &#8220;death&#8221; seemed to be more in the form of its failure to gain new, significant members (with important exceptions, such as Collingwood, Oakeshott, etc) rather than its knights lay on their swords. Figures such as Sir Hector Hetherington, Sir Henry Jones, Mackenzie, etc continued to do great work both in writing (esp Jones and Mackenzie) and in society: Jones and Hetherington, for example, helped create universities in Wales. Muirhead helped pioneer Birmingham University. Indeed, Brum boasts both the Muirhead Tower and Muirhead Library. I once commented to a dear friend, Simon Caney, how wonderful it was to see buildings commemorate Muirhead&#8212;-yet he&#8217;d never heard of him. Of course, Muirhead was a major figure even post-war. His edited series &#8220;The Muirhead Library&#8221; published any number of important works, such as Bradley&#8217;s Knowledge &#038; Appearance, the first translation of Hegel&#8217;s PhG, Radhakrishnan&#8217;s and Russell&#8217;s early work, etc. Post-WWII their numbers depleted as they died off, as it were. Now, thankfully, interest in British Idealism is taking off yet again both with an eye towards understanding its past and developing its future&#8212;-I&#8217;m particularly interested in this second part.</p>

	<p>There was time (pre-WWI) when one couldn&#8217;t pick up an academic journal that wasn&#8217;t dominated by the Idealists. When I went to write papers on both the decline of British Idealism and also on Hetherington, Muirhead, and Mackenzie, I was struck by the fact that about nothing had been written on these persons for at least fifty years. Perhaps we don&#8217;t know much about what happened with the split from Idealism because we simply haven&#8217;t thought about it much. I certainly share some this blame as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interbreeding had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://interbreeding.blogspot.com/2005/06/analytical-andvs-continental.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;useful  series&lt;/a&gt; on this topic, some time ago.  

Apparently there was also a brief movement in the UK in &lt;a href=&quot;http://stepnot.blogspot.com/2005/10/salvaged-from-cache.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this direction&lt;/a&gt;, but no idea if it survived.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interbreeding had a <a href="http://interbreeding.blogspot.com/2005/06/analytical-andvs-continental.html" rel="nofollow">useful  series</a> on this topic, some time ago.</p>

	<p>Apparently there was also a brief movement in the UK in <a href="http://stepnot.blogspot.com/2005/10/salvaged-from-cache.html" rel="nofollow">this direction</a>, but no idea if it survived.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Kotsko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Kotsko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, Jason, calm down.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Kremer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kremer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Russell and Moore moved away from idealism before the end of the 19th century, it is an interesting question when and how their views came into ascendancy in British philosophy.  The hypothesis that WWI had something to do with this has some initial plausibility. But, looking at the table of contents of Mind in the period 1900-1920, for example, one sees a more gradual shifting, not an abrupt turn  in, say, 1915.  Bernard Bosanquet, for instance, published articles in Mind in 1914 (2), 1916, 1917, 1919 (2), and 1920 (2) -- a total of 8 articles during, and immediately after, the war.  F.H. Bradley, on the other hand, stopped publishing articles in Mind in 1912, well before the war.

On another point, the left-or-right credentials of founding analytic figures, of course several of the members of the Vienna Circle had socialist views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While Russell and Moore moved away from idealism before the end of the 19th century, it is an interesting question when and how their views came into ascendancy in British philosophy.  The hypothesis that <span class="caps">WWI</span> had something to do with this has some initial plausibility. But, looking at the table of contents of Mind in the period 1900-1920, for example, one sees a more gradual shifting, not an abrupt turn  in, say, 1915.  Bernard Bosanquet, for instance, published articles in Mind in 1914 (2), 1916, 1917, 1919 (2), and 1920 (2)&#8212;a total of 8 articles during, and immediately after, the war.  F.H. Bradley, on the other hand, stopped publishing articles in Mind in 1912, well before the war.</p>

	<p>On another point, the left-or-right credentials of founding analytic figures, of course several of the members of the Vienna Circle had socialist views.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The total eclipse of Idealism gives hope to those of us who believe that satanic trinity of Frege, Husserl, and Freud has ruined the philosophy of our time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The total eclipse of Idealism gives hope to those of us who believe that satanic trinity of Frege, Husserl, and Freud has ruined the philosophy of our time.</p>
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