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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s in a name?</title>
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		<title>By: Jacob Christensen &#187; WTF&#8230;! (2)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Christensen &#187; WTF&#8230;! (2)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On the other hand, the article refers to the non-pregnant partner as &#8220;mother number two&#8221;. So, a mother can be a father. Or if you like: A woman can be a mother and a father at the same time. Confused? Then try reading this post about Belgian legislation over at Crooked Timber. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] On the other hand, the article refers to the non-pregnant partner as &#8220;mother number two&#8221;. So, a mother can be a father. Or if you like: A woman can be a mother and a father at the same time. Confused? Then try reading this post about Belgian legislation over at Crooked Timber. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leederick, I can see that one should not have double benefits if one doesn&#039;t want to contribute twice; but citizenship is not just about voting and a passport, it&#039;s also an identity thing. Take Aaron&#039;s case: he has one Belgian and one Dutch parent. We happen to live in the Netherlands right now, but it is equally conceivable that we will live most of our lives in Belgium. In fact, in Aaron&#039;s case, both citizenships were _compulsory_; I&#039;ve thought of dropping his Belgian citizenship in order to solve the problem with his double name, but this was not a legal option. So if countries _force_ dual citizenships on people, it should not make their life harder than for people with one citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>leederick, I can see that one should not have double benefits if one doesn&#8217;t want to contribute twice; but citizenship is not just about voting and a passport, it&#8217;s also an identity thing. Take Aaron&#8217;s case: he has one Belgian and one Dutch parent. We happen to live in the Netherlands right now, but it is equally conceivable that we will live most of our lives in Belgium. In fact, in Aaron&#8217;s case, both citizenships were <em>compulsory</em>; I&#8217;ve thought of dropping his Belgian citizenship in order to solve the problem with his double name, but this was not a legal option. So if countries <em>force</em> dual citizenships on people, it should not make their life harder than for people with one citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: leederick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169538</link>
		<dc:creator>leederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should the EU set out to make it easy for people to be dual citizens?

I get the feeling most of them are taking the piss. My favourite example is Channel Islands/UK dual citizenship, which lets you use UK universities and hospitals while maintaining the ability to opt out of paying them via membership of your own little statelet. Isn&#039;t it just a way to get the benefits of two citizenships while maintaining the ability to opt out of the disadvantages of one of them? I&#039;m sure it&#039;s nice for people who have it, but I can&#039;t see why the rest of us should be welcoming about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why should the EU set out to make it easy for people to be dual citizens?</p>

	<p>I get the feeling most of them are taking the piss. My favourite example is Channel Islands/UK dual citizenship, which lets you use UK universities and hospitals while maintaining the ability to opt out of paying them via membership of your own little statelet. Isn&#8217;t it just a way to get the benefits of two citizenships while maintaining the ability to opt out of the disadvantages of one of them? I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s nice for people who have it, but I can&#8217;t see why the rest of us should be welcoming about it.</p>
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		<title>By: clew</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169446</link>
		<dc:creator>clew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having a little hiccup of this kind entirely within the US. I changed my name by usage at seventeen; my current name is on my passport, my driver&#039;s license, all my college records, all my credit cards and bank accounts, and the forms the IRS prints for me.

The Social Security administration has never recognized any of these. It has not until now been a problem; SSA, of all organizations, doesn&#039;t need to identify me by *name*. But I just moved to California, where I must get a CA driver&#039;s license; and the DMV requires that my DL info match my SSA info. I&#039;ve filled out the paperwork for a ($300) legal change of name, in which I have to use my old name as my &quot;present name&quot; - and I&#039;m afraid I&#039;ll get to the courthouse and be asked for ID in my old name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am having a little hiccup of this kind entirely within the US. I changed my name by usage at seventeen; my current name is on my passport, my driver&#8217;s license, all my college records, all my credit cards and bank accounts, and the forms the <span class="caps">IRS</span> prints for me.</p>

	<p>The Social Security administration has never recognized any of these. It has not until now been a problem; <span class="caps">SSA</span>, of all organizations, doesn&#8217;t need to identify me by <strong>name</strong>. But I just moved to California, where I must get a CA driver&#8217;s license; and the <span class="caps">DMV</span> requires that my DL info match my <span class="caps">SSA</span> info. I&#8217;ve filled out the paperwork for a ($300) legal change of name, in which I have to use my old name as my &#8220;present name&#8221; &#8211; and I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;ll get to the courthouse and be asked for ID in my old name.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McG</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169410</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The historical background for all this is interesting (does Napoleonic control over family life go back to the Revolution, or further, or start with the man himself?), but I&#039;m curious about prospects for improvement. 

It seems like an ideal case for removal of governmental intrusion (the analogy I&#039;m thinking of is US anti-miscegenation laws), but on what grounds? Making it a &quot;human rights&quot; case seems to me to either blow out of proportion the inconvenience or to diminish the concept of human rights (on an intellectual level) and also to sow the seeds of resentment at a solution imposed from outside. Recall also Mearsheimer&#039;s thesis (no, not &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; one!) that nationalist wars aren&#039;t due to fear or &quot;deep-seated hatreds&quot; but resentment at the loss of what seems unique and important about one&#039;s country. 

I suspect that a few narratives of &quot;they tried to take my child at the border!&quot; would go a long way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The historical background for all this is interesting (does Napoleonic control over family life go back to the Revolution, or further, or start with the man himself?), but I&#8217;m curious about prospects for improvement.</p>

	<p>It seems like an ideal case for removal of governmental intrusion (the analogy I&#8217;m thinking of is US anti-miscegenation laws), but on what grounds? Making it a &#8220;human rights&#8221; case seems to me to either blow out of proportion the inconvenience or to diminish the concept of human rights (on an intellectual level) and also to sow the seeds of resentment at a solution imposed from outside. Recall also Mearsheimer&#8217;s thesis (no, not <i>that</i> one!) that nationalist wars aren&#8217;t due to fear or &#8220;deep-seated hatreds&#8221; but resentment at the loss of what seems unique and important about one&#8217;s country.</p>

	<p>I suspect that a few narratives of &#8220;they tried to take my child at the border!&#8221; would go a long way!</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ingrid, This Belgian/Portuguese kid that I know is registered in Belgium and in Portugal with two different names: the Belgian one consists of 3 given names (probably one is Ghislain to protect him against convulsions!) and his father&#039;s name; the Portuguese one consists of one given name, his mother&#039;s name (or names) and his father&#039;s name. I suppose he will use one or the other according to the country in which he is doing business.
Incidentally, I&#039;ve always thought that Portuguese and Spaniards were very enlightened to keep their mothers names until I found out that it was due to the Inquisition&#039;s desire to keep track of (matrilinear) Jews!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ingrid, This Belgian/Portuguese kid that I know is registered in Belgium and in Portugal with two different names: the Belgian one consists of 3 given names (probably one is Ghislain to protect him against convulsions!) and his father&#8217;s name; the Portuguese one consists of one given name, his mother&#8217;s name (or names) and his father&#8217;s name. I suppose he will use one or the other according to the country in which he is doing business.<br />
Incidentally, I&#8217;ve always thought that Portuguese and Spaniards were very enlightened to keep their mothers names until I found out that it was due to the Inquisition&#8217;s desire to keep track of (matrilinear) Jews!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Clay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169328</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time I hear about this sort of nonsense - names being the intellectual property of the state, in effect - I&#039;m glad I live in a common-law country. Unfortunately, if this stuff is ever &quot;harmonised&quot;, it&#039;s likely to be harmonised to the most restrictive law. After all, name control laws make it easy to manage national identity databases...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Every time I hear about this sort of nonsense &#8211; names being the intellectual property of the state, in effect &#8211; I&#8217;m glad I live in a common-law country. Unfortunately, if this stuff is ever &#8220;harmonised&#8221;, it&#8217;s likely to be harmonised to the most restrictive law. After all, name control laws make it easy to manage national identity databases&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: franck</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169327</link>
		<dc:creator>franck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the kind of European craziness that makes Americans shake their heads.  I know until recently that there was actually a list in France of approved names, and this was specifically used to prevent people from giving their kids Basque (or Breton, etc.) name.  Similarly in Franco&#039;s Spain.  This is still an issue in Turkey, where people are regularly sanctioned for giving their kids Kurdish names, even though now such sanctions are at least on paper illegal.  It was a big deal in communist Romania and Bulgaria, where Hungarian and Turkish names were verboten.

I think one does have to look at this in terms of efforts to create a homogeneous nation-state and control the inhabitants.  It goes back a long way - the reason so many Jews have Germanic names comes from laws mandating that Jews have last names.  They resisted because Moses didn&#039;t have a last name, so people like E.T.A. Hoffmann just assigned them - after all, who would voluntarily pick a name like Wieseltier or Fischbein?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is the kind of European craziness that makes Americans shake their heads.  I know until recently that there was actually a list in France of approved names, and this was specifically used to prevent people from giving their kids Basque (or Breton, etc.) name.  Similarly in Franco&#8217;s Spain.  This is still an issue in Turkey, where people are regularly sanctioned for giving their kids Kurdish names, even though now such sanctions are at least on paper illegal.  It was a big deal in communist Romania and Bulgaria, where Hungarian and Turkish names were verboten.</p>

	<p>I think one does have to look at this in terms of efforts to create a homogeneous nation-state and control the inhabitants.  It goes back a long way &#8211; the reason so many Jews have Germanic names comes from laws mandating that Jews have last names.  They resisted because Moses didn&#8217;t have a last name, so people like E.T.A. Hoffmann just assigned them &#8211; after all, who would voluntarily pick a name like Wieseltier or Fischbein?</p>
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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169325</link>
		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be a problem to have two different surnames? In Aaron&#039;s case, it would not make a difference as long as he doesn&#039;t do anything &quot;official&quot; in Belgium. Because in the rest of the world he can use his &#039;Dutch name&#039; (Robeyns), and he can simply pretend that he doesn&#039;t have another legal surname. (This is actually how we are dealing with this right now). 
But for the Belgian authorities, he is not Aaron Robeyns, but Aaron Pierik. Hence in Belgium he is, by law, obliged to use his &#039;Belgian name&#039;. If he were to perform an official or a legal act in Belgium, such as buying a house, studying, getting married, etc. he would most likely need some official documents (like a birth certificate, high school diploma&#039;s etc.) where his name would be Aaron Robeyns. So I can see many scenarios where his two different names would create trouble indeed. 

Of course, if the Dutch and Belgian authorities weren&#039;t so bureaucratic, it would all be easier. But I know from doing the paperwork for our marriage, that trying to undertake some international acts can be a bureaucratic nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Would it be a problem to have two different surnames? In Aaron&#8217;s case, it would not make a difference as long as he doesn&#8217;t do anything &#8220;official&#8221; in Belgium. Because in the rest of the world he can use his &#8216;Dutch name&#8217; (Robeyns), and he can simply pretend that he doesn&#8217;t have another legal surname. (This is actually how we are dealing with this right now).<br />
But for the Belgian authorities, he is not Aaron Robeyns, but Aaron Pierik. Hence in Belgium he is, by law, obliged to use his &#8216;Belgian name&#8217;. If he were to perform an official or a legal act in Belgium, such as buying a house, studying, getting married, etc. he would most likely need some official documents (like a birth certificate, high school diploma&#8217;s etc.) where his name would be Aaron Robeyns. So I can see many scenarios where his two different names would create trouble indeed.</p>

	<p>Of course, if the Dutch and Belgian authorities weren&#8217;t so bureaucratic, it would all be easier. But I know from doing the paperwork for our marriage, that trying to undertake some international acts can be a bureaucratic nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/21/whats-in-a-name/comment-page-1/#comment-169324</link>
		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for these very interesting comments !

Marcel&#039;s point is taken; I agree that I might even be too restrictive in the legal changes that I propose. I guess I&#039;m allowing my thinking to be constrained by political feasibility...

Scott Martens is right about the piranas in Belgium. What may look like &#039;normal legislation&#039; or in fact the actual leglisation in many other western countries, seems impossible to have a chance of becoming Law in Belgium. 

Frances rightly points out that there have been proposals to change the surname legislation in Belgium in the last decade -- female parlimentarians of most parties made a joint proposal, but it did not get the support of the male parlimentarians and coalition partners.

While I feel really sorry for Belgium and the Belgians, I also think there are lesssons to be learnt not just for Belgium, but also for other countries -- for example, in the Netherlands one is not allowed to give double names (both parents), which creates problems for children who are Dutch and also Spanish, Portugese or from one of the Latin-American countries. I simply think there is no valid argument to allow governmemt interference in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for these very interesting comments !</p>

	<p>Marcel&#8217;s point is taken; I agree that I might even be too restrictive in the legal changes that I propose. I guess I&#8217;m allowing my thinking to be constrained by political feasibility&#8230;</p>

	<p>Scott Martens is right about the piranas in Belgium. What may look like &#8216;normal legislation&#8217; or in fact the actual leglisation in many other western countries, seems impossible to have a chance of becoming Law in Belgium.</p>

	<p>Frances rightly points out that there have been proposals to change the surname legislation in Belgium in the last decade&#8212;female parlimentarians of most parties made a joint proposal, but it did not get the support of the male parlimentarians and coalition partners.</p>

	<p>While I feel really sorry for Belgium and the Belgians, I also think there are lesssons to be learnt not just for Belgium, but also for other countries&#8212;for example, in the Netherlands one is not allowed to give double names (both parents), which creates problems for children who are Dutch and also Spanish, Portugese or from one of the Latin-American countries. I simply think there is no valid argument to allow governmemt interference in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At this point, I realise I was going to write “and so the Belgian Parliament can change the law and blame Brussels”, but that seems kind of unlikely. In Australia, State governments blame “Canberra”, and the Territory government blames “the Feds”. What’s the Belgian analog?&lt;/i&gt;

We blame Straatsburg.

&lt;i&gt;To the best of my knowledge, in Belgium the husband of a married couple is always the legal father of the child, even if both of them know that he is not the biological father.&lt;/i&gt;

And this until nine months after they separated, or so I&#039;ve been told.
Another perversion is the case of unmarried couples. When a father is registered, a child will automatically get his name. So to be able to give the mother&#039;s surname, you need to have an &quot;unknown father&quot; on the birth certificate.
At least it&#039;s better than the even darker ages when the father in said unmarried couple actually had to adopt his own child. Reason: only within a marriage there is certainty of who fathered the child. (Which of course is the kind of logic that is not.)

The regulations Ingrid proposes at the end of her post, are actually the ones that were meant to pass parliament a couple of years ago, but never made it -- I think on grounds of (gasp) tradition and amateur genealogical research. How would one be able to make a family tree if we all give out names like we choose? That&#039;s what the records are for, I guess. The Icelandic way of namegiving kind of undermines this argument (name of father/mother with dottir/son added, e.g. Björk Gudmundsdottir).

&lt;i&gt;The “silliness” test is explicitly the law in Germany&lt;/i&gt;
Belgium has a similar regulation, but it isn&#039;t used that much. The official didn&#039;t object when a father gave his new-born daughter the second name Stella after too much beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>At this point, I realise I was going to write &#8220;and so the Belgian Parliament can change the law and blame Brussels&#8221;, but that seems kind of unlikely. In Australia, State governments blame &#8220;Canberra&#8221;, and the Territory government blames &#8220;the Feds&#8221;. What&#8217;s the Belgian analog?</i></p>

	<p>We blame Straatsburg.</p>

	<p><i>To the best of my knowledge, in Belgium the husband of a married couple is always the legal father of the child, even if both of them know that he is not the biological father.</i></p>

	<p>And this until nine months after they separated, or so I&#8217;ve been told.<br />
Another perversion is the case of unmarried couples. When a father is registered, a child will automatically get his name. So to be able to give the mother&#8217;s surname, you need to have an &#8220;unknown father&#8221; on the birth certificate.<br />
At least it&#8217;s better than the even darker ages when the father in said unmarried couple actually had to adopt his own child. Reason: only within a marriage there is certainty of who fathered the child. (Which of course is the kind of logic that is not.)</p>

	<p>The regulations Ingrid proposes at the end of her post, are actually the ones that were meant to pass parliament a couple of years ago, but never made it&#8212;I think on grounds of (gasp) tradition and amateur genealogical research. How would one be able to make a family tree if we all give out names like we choose? That&#8217;s what the records are for, I guess. The Icelandic way of namegiving kind of undermines this argument (name of father/mother with dottir/son added, e.g. Bj&#246;rk Gudmundsdottir).</p>

	<p><i>The &#8220;silliness&#8221; test is explicitly the law in Germany</i><br />
Belgium has a similar regulation, but it isn&#8217;t used that much. The official didn&#8217;t object when a father gave his new-born daughter the second name Stella after too much beer.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I offer up a little California 60&#039;s history? Some families with which my family was familiar had parents who engaged in such promiscuous serial and mutual monogamy that their mingled offspring shared several parents. The kid were typically tagged with the father&#039;s name, but generally recognized as belonging to a larger clan, at least to those in the know.

My sister reverted to her maiden name after her divorce. Her older children bore her first husband&#039;s name and her youngest bears that of her second, which can prolong introductions somewhat.

There would be a certain sense, in a truth-in-advertising sort of way, if boys reliably carried patronyms and girls matronyms: here&#039;s your Y chromosome, here are your mitochondria. Of course it&#039;s a wise child who knows its own father ... but it&#039;s usually easier and often more useful to track the father who takes responsibility. 

So: bestowing paired names on kids may turn out to be as useful to your future neighbors as it may be gratifying to your relatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>May I offer up a little California 60&#8217;s history? Some families with which my family was familiar had parents who engaged in such promiscuous serial and mutual monogamy that their mingled offspring shared several parents. The kid were typically tagged with the father&#8217;s name, but generally recognized as belonging to a larger clan, at least to those in the know.</p>

	<p>My sister reverted to her maiden name after her divorce. Her older children bore her first husband&#8217;s name and her youngest bears that of her second, which can prolong introductions somewhat.</p>

	<p>There would be a certain sense, in a truth-in-advertising sort of way, if boys reliably carried patronyms and girls matronyms: here&#8217;s your Y chromosome, here are your mitochondria. Of course it&#8217;s a wise child who knows its own father &#8230; but it&#8217;s usually easier and often more useful to track the father who takes responsibility.</p>

	<p>So: bestowing paired names on kids may turn out to be as useful to your future neighbors as it may be gratifying to your relatives.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But try passing family and personal status legislation in practically any country in the West and you’re wading into a pool of piranas. So nothing gets done.&quot;

Coming back to Ingrid&#039;s post, the emergence of the EU makes the current situation untenable, without providing an obvious and immediate way out. Past experience suggests that some way of muddling through will be found. Perhaps, for example, some aspect of Belgian law will be found to violate human rights, and require change.

At this point, I realise I was going to write &quot;and so the Belgian Parliament can change the law and blame Brussels&quot;, but that seems kind of unlikely. In Australia, State governments blame &quot;Canberra&quot;, and the Territory government blames &quot;the Feds&quot;. What&#039;s the Belgian analog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;But try passing family and personal status legislation in practically any country in the West and you&#8217;re wading into a pool of piranas. So nothing gets done.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Coming back to Ingrid&#8217;s post, the emergence of the EU makes the current situation untenable, without providing an obvious and immediate way out. Past experience suggests that some way of muddling through will be found. Perhaps, for example, some aspect of Belgian law will be found to violate human rights, and require change.</p>

	<p>At this point, I realise I was going to write &#8220;and so the Belgian Parliament can change the law and blame Brussels&#8221;, but that seems kind of unlikely. In Australia, State governments blame &#8220;Canberra&#8221;, and the Territory government blames &#8220;the Feds&#8221;. What&#8217;s the Belgian analog?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 04:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Belgium, the legal husband of the mother of a child is by definition the father of the child.  Legally repudiating the child is, as I understand it, not currently allowed in the law.  There was some discussion on the news a couple months back of a man who has been legally separated from his wife for some time, but who is now the legal father of her child by her new boyfriend, even though neither he, the mother, and the real father of the child all object to this outcome.

And, in Belgium it is nearly impossible to legally change your name, including for women who want their husband&#039;s name.  Until recently, it required a bill to be introduced in Parliament specifically changing your name.  My wife is confronted with this problem. She still had her pre-marriage US passport when we moved here and has not been able to change her legal name since the first time the immigration authorities entered it into the computer.

This is dumb, and it&#039;s a holdover from the dark ages. But try passing family and personal status legislation in practically any country in the West and you&#039;re wading into a pool of piranas.  So nothing gets done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In Belgium, the legal husband of the mother of a child is by definition the father of the child.  Legally repudiating the child is, as I understand it, not currently allowed in the law.  There was some discussion on the news a couple months back of a man who has been legally separated from his wife for some time, but who is now the legal father of her child by her new boyfriend, even though neither he, the mother, and the real father of the child all object to this outcome.</p>

	<p>And, in Belgium it is nearly impossible to legally change your name, including for women who want their husband&#8217;s name.  Until recently, it required a bill to be introduced in Parliament specifically changing your name.  My wife is confronted with this problem. She still had her pre-marriage US passport when we moved here and has not been able to change her legal name since the first time the immigration authorities entered it into the computer.</p>

	<p>This is dumb, and it&#8217;s a holdover from the dark ages. But try passing family and personal status legislation in practically any country in the West and you&#8217;re wading into a pool of piranas.  So nothing gets done.</p>
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		<title>By: john henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>john henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what the problem is.  In Quebec (Canada), the law states that a woman SHALL retain her maiden name upon marriage on all legal documents, and their children may take either surname or a combination of both.  The grandchild situation consequently becomes even more complicated.  (In the case of a child of an unmarried couple or a father &quot;unknown&quot;, the mother can legally assign her own surname with no problems, if she so wishes).  The law has existed for several years now, yet, society has not fallen apart or become unworkable.  It causes some problems when a family migrates to another Canadian province or another country, but not enough to cause a change in the law.  Seems it is all a matter of perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the problem is.  In Quebec (Canada), the law states that a woman <span class="caps">SHALL</span> retain her maiden name upon marriage on all legal documents, and their children may take either surname or a combination of both.  The grandchild situation consequently becomes even more complicated.  (In the case of a child of an unmarried couple or a father &#8220;unknown&#8221;, the mother can legally assign her own surname with no problems, if she so wishes).  The law has existed for several years now, yet, society has not fallen apart or become unworkable.  It causes some problems when a family migrates to another Canadian province or another country, but not enough to cause a change in the law.  Seems it is all a matter of perspective.</p>
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