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	<title>Comments on: David Velleman on Family History</title>
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		<title>By: JanieM</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171416</link>
		<dc:creator>JanieM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth -- wonderful post, especially the last paragraph.  I was hoping to respond to this topic but haven&#039;t had time even to begin reading Velleman, much less all the comments.  You&#039;ve given a concise summary of my most central concern....thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ruth&#8212;wonderful post, especially the last paragraph.  I was hoping to respond to this topic but haven&#8217;t had time even to begin reading Velleman, much less all the comments.  You&#8217;ve given a concise summary of my most central concern&#8230;.thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171340</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 06:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points: for those who are arguing that the &quot;need to have biologically related children&quot; is the only factor in donor insemination, I will refer you to the fact that in more and more states in the US, non-heterosexual couples are being legally ruled unfit to adopt.  At all.  So, say you&#039;re a lesbian couple in Florida, and you desperately want kids.  Do you invite a man in to father your child, with the knowledge that for whatever reason he could possibly sue for custody later on, and likely *win* in a system where there is already legal precedent ruling that you are de facto an unfit parent?  Or do you use an anonymous sperm donor? 

Re adoption and general questions of biological identity, I can relate several personal anecdotes.  My (adopted) brother and sister are from Korea.  My brother was 6, my sister 3, when they came to live with us.  Assimilation into US culture was more difficult for my brother for a number of reasons, including, I think, that the experience itself of coming over was very traumatic for him.  He&#039;s been very angry about it and a lot of other things, and moved to Seattle (we grew up in the Midwest) to be in a place where he &#039;blended in&#039; as Asian more.

My sister never had any of those issues, though, and pretty much I think considered the Cosby Show to be her main role model.  She was much more affected by the fact that we lived in a wealthy school district but that we were poor to the point of relying on food stamps for several years.  She got married to a white midwestern man, has 4 kids, and lives in Wisconsin.

A few years ago, my brother went to Korea and found his birth family.  Including some surprises: we were all told that he and my sis were orphans, but in fact their mother is still alive.  Also, they have another sister that they never knew about.  The experience was huge for my brother for about 4 months, when he seemed genuinely happy and transformed.  But there are language and culture barriers, and I think that more and more his experience with his Korean family made him feel how American he is.  He hasn&#039;t communicated with them at all in years, and has pretty much reverted to being angry.  Talking with him now, he has no interest in that part of his family anymore.

Also, as an aside, his calling them his &#039;real&#039; family was very hurtful to my mom, who after all did raise and love and support him (enough to go with him to Korea, and pay for their trip, and help find his family).  I think many adoptive families do live with the worry that at some point they&#039;ll be negated in this way.

As far as my sis was concerned, she had no interest in any of it.  Her attitude is &quot;they didn&#039;t want me; I don&#039;t want them.&quot;  She has never considered herself Korean or even Korean American-- she&#039;s American, and is more closely bonded with my folks than I am, to be honest.

My husband was raised by his biological parents, in the same house which they still live in.  And he&#039;s always felt like a freak in his family.  They are very active, whereas he&#039;s more intellectual; they aren&#039;t abstract thinkers, whereas he specializes in theoretical work; they are liberal and atheist, and he&#039;s religious and Republican (though not a Bush fan).  They have almost no contact and he&#039;s spent most of his life wishing to have nothing to do with them.

And I am disabled, with a heritable disability that my father&#039;s side of the family has had for a long time (though covered it up in odd ways-- my mom had no idea that it was a &#039;feature&#039; of my dad&#039;s genetic makeup when she married him).  I don&#039;t know that she&#039;d have married him (or had kids with him at least) anyway, but I certainly do not regret the circumstances or fact of my birth and life.  I&#039;ll go as far as to venture that my folks don&#039;t, either.

All of this is to say that human endeavors and relationships are complex, and when we begin to decide that because X Y or Z seem hard from the outside (or even from the inside), X Y or Z should be *condemned*, we&#039;d better know very well what we&#039;re talking about.  I don&#039;t think Velleman&#039;s argument even begins to pass this test, and begs a lot of very troubling questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A few points: for those who are arguing that the &#8220;need to have biologically related children&#8221; is the only factor in donor insemination, I will refer you to the fact that in more and more states in the US, non-heterosexual couples are being legally ruled unfit to adopt.  At all.  So, say you&#8217;re a lesbian couple in Florida, and you desperately want kids.  Do you invite a man in to father your child, with the knowledge that for whatever reason he could possibly sue for custody later on, and likely <strong>win</strong> in a system where there is already legal precedent ruling that you are de facto an unfit parent?  Or do you use an anonymous sperm donor?</p>

	<p>Re adoption and general questions of biological identity, I can relate several personal anecdotes.  My (adopted) brother and sister are from Korea.  My brother was 6, my sister 3, when they came to live with us.  Assimilation into US culture was more difficult for my brother for a number of reasons, including, I think, that the experience itself of coming over was very traumatic for him.  He&#8217;s been very angry about it and a lot of other things, and moved to Seattle (we grew up in the Midwest) to be in a place where he &#8216;blended in&#8217; as Asian more.</p>

	<p>My sister never had any of those issues, though, and pretty much I think considered the Cosby Show to be her main role model.  She was much more affected by the fact that we lived in a wealthy school district but that we were poor to the point of relying on food stamps for several years.  She got married to a white midwestern man, has 4 kids, and lives in Wisconsin.</p>

	<p>A few years ago, my brother went to Korea and found his birth family.  Including some surprises: we were all told that he and my sis were orphans, but in fact their mother is still alive.  Also, they have another sister that they never knew about.  The experience was huge for my brother for about 4 months, when he seemed genuinely happy and transformed.  But there are language and culture barriers, and I think that more and more his experience with his Korean family made him feel how American he is.  He hasn&#8217;t communicated with them at all in years, and has pretty much reverted to being angry.  Talking with him now, he has no interest in that part of his family anymore.</p>

	<p>Also, as an aside, his calling them his &#8216;real&#8217; family was very hurtful to my mom, who after all did raise and love and support him (enough to go with him to Korea, and pay for their trip, and help find his family).  I think many adoptive families do live with the worry that at some point they&#8217;ll be negated in this way.</p>

	<p>As far as my sis was concerned, she had no interest in any of it.  Her attitude is &#8220;they didn&#8217;t want me; I don&#8217;t want them.&#8221;  She has never considered herself Korean or even Korean American&#8212;she&#8217;s American, and is more closely bonded with my folks than I am, to be honest.</p>

	<p>My husband was raised by his biological parents, in the same house which they still live in.  And he&#8217;s always felt like a freak in his family.  They are very active, whereas he&#8217;s more intellectual; they aren&#8217;t abstract thinkers, whereas he specializes in theoretical work; they are liberal and atheist, and he&#8217;s religious and Republican (though not a Bush fan).  They have almost no contact and he&#8217;s spent most of his life wishing to have nothing to do with them.</p>

	<p>And I am disabled, with a heritable disability that my father&#8217;s side of the family has had for a long time (though covered it up in odd ways&#8212;my mom had no idea that it was a &#8216;feature&#8217; of my dad&#8217;s genetic makeup when she married him).  I don&#8217;t know that she&#8217;d have married him (or had kids with him at least) anyway, but I certainly do not regret the circumstances or fact of my birth and life.  I&#8217;ll go as far as to venture that my folks don&#8217;t, either.</p>

	<p>All of this is to say that human endeavors and relationships are complex, and when we begin to decide that because <span class="caps">X Y</span> or Z seem hard from the outside (or even from the inside), <span class="caps">X Y</span> or Z should be <strong>condemned</strong>, we&#8217;d better know very well what we&#8217;re talking about.  I don&#8217;t think Velleman&#8217;s argument even begins to pass this test, and begs a lot of very troubling questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 21:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s entirely ad hoc to argue that sperm donors who choose to donate anonymously, on the basis that they will not be notified about children born from their sperm, and those children will not be told the name of the donor, have demonstrated pretty conclusively that they do not have parental feelings in those circumstances. (Circumstances which are biologically extremely unusual, and which have only arisen in the last few decades) 
I don&#039;t see why this behaviour is so hard to understand either. Since this thread is full of anecdotal evidence, you won&#039;t mind me pointing out that I am a father, and have a very strong interest in my children. If I was to become a sperm donor (and the thought has come up, for reasons I won&#039;t go into), it would only be on the condition of absolute anonymity. Complete ignorance, and no relationship at all, would be easier to deal with than some sort of parenthood at a distance. 

(Incidentally, I haven&#039;t argued that &quot;biology doesn’t matter at all, and it’s retrograde, foolish and antiliberal to suggest it does&quot;. My position is that biology does not over-ride all other considerations.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s entirely ad hoc to argue that sperm donors who choose to donate anonymously, on the basis that they will not be notified about children born from their sperm, and those children will not be told the name of the donor, have demonstrated pretty conclusively that they do not have parental feelings in those circumstances. (Circumstances which are biologically extremely unusual, and which have only arisen in the last few decades)<br />
I don&#8217;t see why this behaviour is so hard to understand either. Since this thread is full of anecdotal evidence, you won&#8217;t mind me pointing out that I am a father, and have a very strong interest in my children. If I was to become a sperm donor (and the thought has come up, for reasons I won&#8217;t go into), it would only be on the condition of absolute anonymity. Complete ignorance, and no relationship at all, would be easier to deal with than some sort of parenthood at a distance.</p>

	<p>(Incidentally, I haven&#8217;t argued that &#8220;biology doesn&#8217;t matter at all, and it&#8217;s retrograde, foolish and antiliberal to suggest it does&#8221;. My position is that biology does not over-ride all other considerations.)</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ray, that doesn&#039;t sound persuasive to me at all--it looks, as I suggested before, entirely ad hoc.  Something like this:  biology doesn&#039;t matter at all, and it&#039;s retrograde, foolish and antiliberal to suggest it does, but of course biology does matter to parents, but only to some--not to donors.  There apparently is a biologically based reason for people to care about their children, but that biologically based reason is entirely absent if someone signs the right forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ray, that doesn&#8217;t sound persuasive to me at all&#8212;it looks, as I suggested before, entirely ad hoc.  Something like this:  biology doesn&#8217;t matter at all, and it&#8217;s retrograde, foolish and antiliberal to suggest it does, but of course biology does matter to parents, but only to some&#8212;not to donors.  There apparently is a biologically based reason for people to care about their children, but that biologically based reason is entirely absent if someone signs the right forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although, I wouldn&#039;t deny an urge to know one&#039;s ancestors, it does seem a little strange that homo sapiens asa species has a relatively weak ability to know who their blood relatives are. 

Other than family resemblance, the ability just doesn&#039;t seem to be there.  No unique smell, sound, taste, touch factor seems to be genetically imprinted that is anywhere near uniquely identifiable.

Biology apparently is more about &quot;Love the one you&#039;re with&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Although, I wouldn&#8217;t deny an urge to know one&#8217;s ancestors, it does seem a little strange that homo sapiens asa species has a relatively weak ability to know who their blood relatives are.</p>

	<p>Other than family resemblance, the ability just doesn&#8217;t seem to be there.  No unique smell, sound, taste, touch factor seems to be genetically imprinted that is anywhere near uniquely identifiable.</p>

	<p>Biology apparently is more about &#8220;Love the one you&#8217;re with&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(should note - the decision has no consequences for you, and the consequences for other people are not bad. This isn&#039;t a case of dropping a bomb on a foreign country, more like leaving a wallet full of money on a street corner. The people who use the donated sperm are obviously glad it exists, and I have a hard time believing that most children of anonymously donated sperm would rather not have been born)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(should note &#8211; the decision has no consequences for you, and the consequences for other people are not bad. This isn&#8217;t a case of dropping a bomb on a foreign country, more like leaving a wallet full of money on a street corner. The people who use the donated sperm are obviously glad it exists, and I have a hard time believing that most children of anonymously donated sperm would rather not have been born)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171248</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that argument applies to anonymous donation. People who donate in those circumstances  are declaring upfront that they are not interested in knowing who their biological descendants are. (Or at least their descendants from this act, they may have others they are interested in.) Just as some people on this thread have disavowed interest in their ancestors, they have disavowed interest in their descendants. This is about particular people in particular circumstances, the interests of &#039;people in general&#039; aren&#039;t relevant. 

If you have separated &quot;giving sperm&quot; from &quot;having children&quot;, as these people clearly have, why is giving sperm a weighty decision? Would it be a weighty decision to give sperm that you know will never be used? 

Leederick&#039;s argument is that anonymous donators are shielded from the consequences of their decision(110), but that it is a weighty decision (115). If something has no consequences for you, or for anybody you know, how weighty a decision is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t think that argument applies to anonymous donation. People who donate in those circumstances  are declaring upfront that they are not interested in knowing who their biological descendants are. (Or at least their descendants from this act, they may have others they are interested in.) Just as some people on this thread have disavowed interest in their ancestors, they have disavowed interest in their descendants. This is about particular people in particular circumstances, the interests of &#8216;people in general&#8217; aren&#8217;t relevant.</p>

	<p>If you have separated &#8220;giving sperm&#8221; from &#8220;having children&#8221;, as these people clearly have, why is giving sperm a weighty decision? Would it be a weighty decision to give sperm that you know will never be used?</p>

	<p>Leederick&#8217;s argument is that anonymous donators are shielded from the consequences of their decision(110), but that it is a weighty decision (115). If something has no consequences for you, or for anybody you know, how weighty a decision is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171246</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ray, isn&#039;t it a weighty decision for the reasons described in no. 93?  

Or is that sort of hand-waving only permitted in justifying, not questioning, the practice purportedly being examined?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ray, isn&#8217;t it a weighty decision for the reasons described in no. 93?</p>

	<p>Or is that sort of hand-waving only permitted in justifying, not questioning, the practice purportedly being examined?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 11:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re begging the question by describing anonymous donation as a weighty decision. If you donate with the clear understanding that there will never be any contact between you and any children that may result, how much weight should be attached to the decision to donate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think you&#8217;re begging the question by describing anonymous donation as a weighty decision. If you donate with the clear understanding that there will never be any contact between you and any children that may result, how much weight should be attached to the decision to donate?</p>
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		<title>By: leederick</title>
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		<dc:creator>leederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, my worry isn&#039;t that the men providing sperm would not make good fathers. My worry is that reproductive decisions like these are pretty weighty ones, and people who wouldn&#039;t make them otherwise are doing it because they&#039;re offered various inducements. But perhaps people shouldn&#039;t make these kind of decisions for themselves under the influence of those sorts of considerations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ray, my worry isn&#8217;t that the men providing sperm would not make good fathers. My worry is that reproductive decisions like these are pretty weighty ones, and people who wouldn&#8217;t make them otherwise are doing it because they&#8217;re offered various inducements. But perhaps people shouldn&#8217;t make these kind of decisions for themselves under the influence of those sorts of considerations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Baugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Baugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see that anyone has brought up the concern that immediately occurred to me. If I skipped it, my apologies.

Now, first of all, among my adopted friends, some genuinely do lead better lives now that they&#039;ve discovered their biological heritage. This is a real gain for them, as for some posters here, and I hope that nothing that follows sounds like I&#039;m denying it. If there were no positive concerns on this side of the balance, it would all be much easier.

Out of every thousand children, some number are adopted and benefit from the connection, in small or large ways. I don&#039;t want to get into assessing the strengths of different people&#039;s happiness. (Some number don&#039;t benefit or suffer much, and some find their lives complicated unpleasantly.) But some number are also abused physically and sexually by their biological relatives.

Does Velleman address this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t see that anyone has brought up the concern that immediately occurred to me. If I skipped it, my apologies.</p>

	<p>Now, first of all, among my adopted friends, some genuinely do lead better lives now that they&#8217;ve discovered their biological heritage. This is a real gain for them, as for some posters here, and I hope that nothing that follows sounds like I&#8217;m denying it. If there were no positive concerns on this side of the balance, it would all be much easier.</p>

	<p>Out of every thousand children, some number are adopted and benefit from the connection, in small or large ways. I don&#8217;t want to get into assessing the strengths of different people&#8217;s happiness. (Some number don&#8217;t benefit or suffer much, and some find their lives complicated unpleasantly.) But some number are also abused physically and sexually by their biological relatives.</p>

	<p>Does Velleman address this?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171240</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>110 - why? It doesn&#039;t matter if the men providing sperm would not make good fathers, that&#039;s not a fault that&#039;s going to show up in their DNA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>110 &#8211; why? It doesn&#8217;t matter if the men providing sperm would not make good fathers, that&#8217;s not a fault that&#8217;s going to show up in their <span class="caps">DNA</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Family history &#171; Cyberslacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Family history &#171; Cyberslacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read a beautiful and loving piece by Joshua Micah Marshall that made me cry. It wasn&#8217;t just, as Uncle Kvetch points out, that his father was not his biological father, it was also the comment &#8220;One of the great heartbreaks of my life is that my dad did not live to see his first grandson&#8230;&#8221; that did it for me. I feel the same about my mother who died last year not knowing my first grandson, although I then pull myself together and realise that there are a million and one things that have happened or are going to happen that she didn&#8217;t know about either. Somehow that idea though is still a powerful one. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Read a beautiful and loving piece by Joshua Micah Marshall that made me cry. It wasn&#8217;t just, as Uncle Kvetch points out, that his father was not his biological father, it was also the comment &#8220;One of the great heartbreaks of my life is that my dad did not live to see his first grandson&#8230;&#8221; that did it for me. I feel the same about my mother who died last year not knowing my first grandson, although I then pull myself together and realise that there are a million and one things that have happened or are going to happen that she didn&#8217;t know about either. Somehow that idea though is still a powerful one. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wbb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171225</link>
		<dc:creator>wbb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 04:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has also been made law in Victoria, Australia that sperm may not be donated anonymously. Anybody who has witnessed the exertions that people go thru to discover genetic parents will not be amazed by this change in the law. There is a lot of absolutist over-reach in this thread about the unimportance of biology. We might be the risen ape, but we ain&#039;t risen as far as some like to imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It has also been made law in Victoria, Australia that sperm may not be donated anonymously. Anybody who has witnessed the exertions that people go thru to discover genetic parents will not be amazed by this change in the law. There is a lot of absolutist over-reach in this thread about the unimportance of biology. We might be the risen ape, but we ain&#8217;t risen as far as some like to imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: leederick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/05/david-velleman-on-family-history/comment-page-3/#comment-171198</link>
		<dc:creator>leederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, if in order to operate sperm banks really need to induce people into fatherhood who wouldn&#039;t otherwise do it, by offering them cash and shielding them from the consequences of it, then perhaps it would be best if it were not possible to run them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You know, if in order to operate sperm banks really need to induce people into fatherhood who wouldn&#8217;t otherwise do it, by offering them cash and shielding them from the consequences of it, then perhaps it would be best if it were not possible to run them.</p>
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