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		<title>By: ajay</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171774</link>
		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;do you really want the government and the majority getting to decide what can and can’t be broadcast?&lt;/i&gt;

They already do. It&#039;s called, among other things, the law of libel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>do you really want the government and the majority getting to decide what can and can&#8217;t be broadcast?</i></p>

	<p>They already do. It&#8217;s called, among other things, the law of libel.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171770</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;...rather than a promise to do what the law says one should with a piece of public property of which one is the temporary custodian.&lt;/em&gt;

You know, I&#039;m worried about falsehoods too, certainly, but do you &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; want the government and the majority getting to decide what can and can&#039;t be broadcast?  That&#039;s a far more pervasive challenge to free speech than a misleading documentary.

Do you want a country where the Bush Administration could have revoked CBS&#039;s license for using forged memos?

The whole &quot;public property&quot; theory is the exact same one that the FCC uses to crack down on obscenity, too.  Not something I&#039;d like to encourage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>&#8230;rather than a promise to do what the law says one should with a piece of public property of which one is the temporary custodian.</em></p>

	<p>You know, I&#8217;m worried about falsehoods too, certainly, but do you <em>really</em> want the government and the majority getting to decide what can and can&#8217;t be broadcast?  That&#8217;s a far more pervasive challenge to free speech than a misleading documentary.</p>

	<p>Do you want a country where the Bush Administration could have revoked <span class="caps">CBS</span>&#8217;s license for using forged memos?</p>

	<p>The whole &#8220;public property&#8221; theory is the exact same one that the <span class="caps">FCC</span> uses to crack down on obscenity, too.  Not something I&#8217;d like to encourage.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171684</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sfb:

Who knew that the right to broadcast false and misleading political propaganda over the public airwaves was a right guaranteed by the constitution? Where do I sign up to get my six hours of nationwide broadcast time?

I guess I missed the part where being the current holder of a broadcast license conferred an unchallengeable ownership right in the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, rather than a promise to do what the law says one should with a piece of public property of which one is the temporary custodian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sfb:</p>

	<p>Who knew that the right to broadcast false and misleading political propaganda over the public airwaves was a right guaranteed by the constitution? Where do I sign up to get my six hours of nationwide broadcast time?</p>

	<p>I guess I missed the part where being the current holder of a broadcast license conferred an unchallengeable ownership right in the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, rather than a promise to do what the law says one should with a piece of public property of which one is the temporary custodian.</p>
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		<title>By: sfb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171625</link>
		<dc:creator>sfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle K, what part of Senator Reid&#039;s little letter don&#039;t *you* understand.  Read the letter.  It&#039;s obvious that either you have not, or you don&#039;t see anything wrong with the Senate Minority Leader and colleagues writing a letter which just happens to suggest that if ABC airs this program that the senators dislike, ABC might have licensing troubles.  

If this is not what Senator Reid had in mind, he has&#039;t gone out of his way to explain himself.  So there it is - a member of the U.S. Government making something that might be considered to be a threat to a media firm because they are planning to air something the senator disagrees with.  There is a huge difference between a bunch of people writing / phoning / emailing ABC, or threatening to boycott sponsors and Congress threatening to pull the license of ABC.  One is a bunch of members of the public at large exercising their right to free expression, another is members of the government threatening the independence of the media.  Quite a difference, if you ask me.  

Faculty have opinions, like everyone else, and a right to express them.  But, again, I find myself less impressed by people who think they can make an accurate assessment of the merits of a program before they see it.  Especially if they are basing it on people who have a vested interest in it. Perhaps some of these faculty members have seen the advance copies of the program.  But if they haven&#039;t they are engaging in dubious scholarship.  Yes, it is protected by the consitution.  But then, so is the right to make crappy historical movies.  I can&#039;t get much enthusiasm for stifling anyone&#039;s free expression, even if that free expression is junk.  

Bottom line for me is simple:  Let the movie be aired, and if it is as bad as everyone here says it is, then let the academics and the Democratic Party have a field day picking it apart.  That shouldn&#039;t take too long.  Look how fast the blogisphere took apart Dan Rather&#039;s poor use of documents in his 60 Minutes segment.  If this program is as bad as that, it should self-destuct about as fast - and maybe there would be some changes in the management at ABC.  The big winners would be the Democratic Party, just as the Republicans won big on the 60 Minutes fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uncle K, what part of Senator Reid&#8217;s little letter don&#8217;t <strong>you</strong> understand.  Read the letter.  It&#8217;s obvious that either you have not, or you don&#8217;t see anything wrong with the Senate Minority Leader and colleagues writing a letter which just happens to suggest that if <span class="caps">ABC</span> airs this program that the senators dislike, <span class="caps">ABC</span> might have licensing troubles.</p>

	<p>If this is not what Senator Reid had in mind, he has&#8217;t gone out of his way to explain himself.  So there it is &#8211; a member of the U.S. Government making something that might be considered to be a threat to a media firm because they are planning to air something the senator disagrees with.  There is a huge difference between a bunch of people writing / phoning / emailing <span class="caps">ABC</span>, or threatening to boycott sponsors and Congress threatening to pull the license of <span class="caps">ABC</span>.  One is a bunch of members of the public at large exercising their right to free expression, another is members of the government threatening the independence of the media.  Quite a difference, if you ask me.</p>

	<p>Faculty have opinions, like everyone else, and a right to express them.  But, again, I find myself less impressed by people who think they can make an accurate assessment of the merits of a program before they see it.  Especially if they are basing it on people who have a vested interest in it. Perhaps some of these faculty members have seen the advance copies of the program.  But if they haven&#8217;t they are engaging in dubious scholarship.  Yes, it is protected by the consitution.  But then, so is the right to make crappy historical movies.  I can&#8217;t get much enthusiasm for stifling anyone&#8217;s free expression, even if that free expression is junk.</p>

	<p>Bottom line for me is simple:  Let the movie be aired, and if it is as bad as everyone here says it is, then let the academics and the Democratic Party have a field day picking it apart.  That shouldn&#8217;t take too long.  Look how fast the blogisphere took apart Dan Rather&#8217;s poor use of documents in his 60 Minutes segment.  If this program is as bad as that, it should self-destuct about as fast &#8211; and maybe there would be some changes in the management at <span class="caps">ABC</span>.  The big winners would be the Democratic Party, just as the Republicans won big on the 60 Minutes fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171566</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;an effort by any group to get ABC to pull this program before anyone sees it seems like censorship&lt;/i&gt;

No, it isn&#039;t. You make the same accusation in another thread, repeatedly, but that doesn&#039;t make it so. There is a fundamental difference between the government prohibiting a film from being shown, and private citizens mobilizing via letters, boycotts, etc. to pressure a network not to air something. The former constitutes censorship; the latter does not.

Is that so hard to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>an effort by any group to get <span class="caps">ABC</span> to pull this program before anyone sees it seems like censorship</i></p>

	<p>No, it isn&#8217;t. You make the same accusation in another thread, repeatedly, but that doesn&#8217;t make it so. There is a fundamental difference between the government prohibiting a film from being shown, and private citizens mobilizing via letters, boycotts, etc. to pressure a network not to air something. The former constitutes censorship; the latter does not.</p>

	<p>Is that so hard to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: sfb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171516</link>
		<dc:creator>sfb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Sep 2006 05:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like an oblique effort at censorship,  not as blunt as the Senate Minority Leader and colleagues, but still, an effort by any group to get ABC to pull this program before anyone sees it seems like censorship.  If Path to 9-11 is historically worthless, why don&#039;t these concerned historians write a response documenting all the historical failings of the program, instead of trying to prevent it from being broadcast?  

SFB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This seems like an oblique effort at censorship,  not as blunt as the Senate Minority Leader and colleagues, but still, an effort by any group to get <span class="caps">ABC</span> to pull this program before anyone sees it seems like censorship.  If Path to 9-11 is historically worthless, why don&#8217;t these concerned historians write a response documenting all the historical failings of the program, instead of trying to prevent it from being broadcast?</p>

	<p><span class="caps">SFB</span></p>
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		<title>By: beajerry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171489</link>
		<dc:creator>beajerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d pay to watch Path To 9/11 combined with Secret Government Alien Autopsy with a little of the Tonya Harding Story thrown in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d pay to watch Path To 9/11 combined with Secret Government Alien Autopsy with a little of the Tonya Harding Story thrown in.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171480</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Reagan flick was nearly a decent work of film.  Almost watchable, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, the Reagan flick was nearly a decent work of film.  Almost watchable, in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171478</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 17:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Frankly, its no different from the Reagan biography stink a few years ago. &lt;/em&gt;

Right, except the stakes are not even remotely similar.  Perhaps if Reagan were still visibly in power, and they had had him say, &quot;Mr. Gorbachev, repair the chinks in this wall!&quot; then the comparison would be justified.  

And like that one, the neorepublicans will win this too, because they bought the country and the neodems are content to let them keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>Frankly, its no different from the Reagan biography stink a few years ago. </em></p>

	<p>Right, except the stakes are not even remotely similar.  Perhaps if Reagan were still visibly in power, and they had had him say, &#8220;Mr. Gorbachev, repair the chinks in this wall!&#8221; then the comparison would be justified.</p>

	<p>And like that one, the neorepublicans will win this too, because they bought the country and the neodems are content to let them keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171463</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 12:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops . . . Berger &lt;em&gt;took&lt;/em&gt; copies, and never touched the originals. That&#039;s what I get for letting my memory do the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oops . . . Berger <em>took</em> copies, and never touched the originals. That&#8217;s what I get for letting my memory do the work.</p>
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		<title>By: bad Jim</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171444</link>
		<dc:creator>bad Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 04:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC is only trying to be even-handed, damning  both administrations equally, even if they can only do this by telling lies about Clinton and some of the truth about Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">ABC</span> is only trying to be even-handed, damning  both administrations equally, even if they can only do this by telling lies about Clinton and some of the truth about Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Meilleur</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171433</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Meilleur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, jjf -- &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; bring back copies, as I recall (correctly?). It&#039;s almost as if Berger wanted to . . . have the originals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, jjf&#8212;<em>and</em> bring back copies, as I recall (correctly?). It&#8217;s almost as if Berger wanted to . . . have the originals?</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171432</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 03:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s stunning that the right is willing to admit that they are trading in fiction rather than fact. If only &quot;Good news from Iraq&quot; and similar sites had the same disclaimer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s stunning that the right is willing to admit that they are trading in fiction rather than fact. If only &#8220;Good news from Iraq&#8221; and similar sites had the same disclaimer.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171408</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if he in the center, but when I heard him talking a couple of years ago he sounded like he has one foot in the grave. He&#039;s what - about a 100 years old?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know if he in the center, but when I heard him talking a couple of years ago he sounded like he has one foot in the grave. He&#8217;s what &#8211; about a 100 years old?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/09/08/fraud-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-171404</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the center at all times.  I will update everyone on the new centrist positions at all times.

I know that, as always, you are pulling facts out of your ass, Steve, but in Berkeley, Schlesinger would probably be the far right wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am the center at all times.  I will update everyone on the new centrist positions at all times.</p>

	<p>I know that, as always, you are pulling facts out of your ass, Steve, but in Berkeley, Schlesinger would probably be the far right wing.</p>
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