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		<title>By: Syd Webb</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174643</link>
		<dc:creator>Syd Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david tiley wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Online publications with an email component are much more circumspect, because of spam, which creates a sense of extremely a***ly retentive prudishness.&lt;/i&gt;

Makes sense to me.  The hard-copy SMH is less hung-up.  Looking at today&#039;s copy (11/10/2006) which I have in front of me, on page 18 there&#039;s a piece entitled &lt;i&gt;Ain&#039;t life the Pitts?&lt;/i&gt;  The first paragraph reads:

&lt;i&gt;In her recent interview with &lt;/i&gt;Rolling Stone&lt;i&gt;, Sienna Miller attacked monogamy as &quot;over-rated&quot;, insisting that we&#039;re &quot;all f--king animals&quot;. Yawn. Comments about monogamy being passe are so passe. The real outrage came when she trashed the city of Pittsburgh, where she is currently filming a movie, by referring to it as &quot;Shitsburgh&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

So while there&#039;s still the coy hyphens in &#039;f--king&#039; we&#039;re able to have the uncensored &#039;Shitsburgh&#039;.  Compare and contrast with crikey.co.au an irreverent news e-mail service, that has to refer to &#039;sex&#039; as &#039;s*x&#039; in order to get past their subscribers spam filters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>david tiley wrote:</p>

	<p><i>Online publications with an email component are much more circumspect, because of spam, which creates a sense of extremely a***ly retentive prudishness.</i></p>

	<p>Makes sense to me.  The hard-copy <span class="caps">SMH</span> is less hung-up.  Looking at today&#8217;s copy (11/10/2006) which I have in front of me, on page 18 there&#8217;s a piece entitled <i>Ain&#8217;t life the Pitts?</i>  The first paragraph reads:</p>

	<p><i>In her recent interview with </i>Rolling Stone<i>, Sienna Miller attacked monogamy as &#8220;over-rated&#8221;, insisting that we&#8217;re &#8220;all f&#8212;king animals&#8221;. Yawn. Comments about monogamy being passe are so passe. The real outrage came when she trashed the city of Pittsburgh, where she is currently filming a movie, by referring to it as &#8220;Shitsburgh&#8221;.</i></p>

	<p>So while there&#8217;s still the coy hyphens in &#8216;f&#8212;king&#8217; we&#8217;re able to have the uncensored &#8216;Shitsburgh&#8217;.  Compare and contrast with crikey.co.au an irreverent news e-mail service, that has to refer to &#8216;sex&#8217; as &#8217;s*x&#8217; in order to get past their subscribers spam filters.</p>
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		<title>By: david tiley</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174635</link>
		<dc:creator>david tiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online publications with an email component are much more circumspect, because of spam, which creates a sense of extremely a***ly retentive prudishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Online publications with an email component are much more circumspect, because of spam, which creates a sense of extremely a***ly retentive prudishness.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174615</link>
		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The British standard is interesting: the broadsheets tend to print expletives in full (the Graun and Indy certainly do) while the tabloids are much more prudish about such things: you may see tits in the Currant Bun, but never read the word in full.

Anyway, count me with those who see it not as editorial policy at work but an attempt to get the reader to stop, put in a second&#039;s thought and smile at having done so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The British standard is interesting: the broadsheets tend to print expletives in full (the Graun and Indy certainly do) while the tabloids are much more prudish about such things: you may see tits in the Currant Bun, but never read the word in full.</p>

	<p>Anyway, count me with those who see it not as editorial policy at work but an attempt to get the reader to stop, put in a second&#8217;s thought and smile at having done so.</p>
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		<title>By: will u.</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174585</link>
		<dc:creator>will u.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 00:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m paranoid, but I suspect Miss Miller&#039;s &quot;gaffe&quot; was actually a calculated PR move, since I had no idea who she was before this incident.  I&#039;m sure zero Pittsburghers recognized her in that hotel bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m paranoid, but I suspect Miss Miller&#8217;s &#8220;gaffe&#8221; was actually a calculated PR move, since I had no idea who she was before this incident.  I&#8217;m sure zero Pittsburghers recognized her in that hotel bar.</p>
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		<title>By: The Continental Op</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174528</link>
		<dc:creator>The Continental Op</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Jasper Milvain (comment no. 2) is right -- the paper was probably trying to be funny. Sort of like calling someone &quot;the south facing end of a northbound horse&quot;, when you mean &quot;horse&#039;s ass&quot;. That&#039;s the only sensible way I can reconcile it with the quote about &quot;fucking animals.&quot; 

The version of the story I initially saw just said that Miller&#039;s epithet &quot;rhymes with Pittsburgh&quot;. That left me stumped for an embarassingly long while. 

In reply to Nick (comment no. 12) -- I believe Pennsylvania&#039;s esteemed Senator Rick Santorum has had something to say on the subject!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think Jasper Milvain (comment no. 2) is right&#8212;the paper was probably trying to be funny. Sort of like calling someone &#8220;the south facing end of a northbound horse&#8221;, when you mean &#8220;horse&#8217;s ass&#8221;. That&#8217;s the only sensible way I can reconcile it with the quote about &#8220;fucking animals.&#8221;</p>

	<p>The version of the story I initially saw just said that Miller&#8217;s epithet &#8220;rhymes with Pittsburgh&#8221;. That left me stumped for an embarassingly long while.</p>

	<p>In reply to Nick (comment no. 12)&#8212;I believe Pennsylvania&#8217;s esteemed Senator Rick Santorum has had something to say on the subject!</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174514</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m more surprised by Ms Miller’s frank admission that she &amp; Mr Law are both ‘fucking animals’.&lt;/i&gt;

Oddly enough (or not), another actress today is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6136970,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reported saying&lt;/a&gt; exactly the same: 
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``I do think on some basic level we are animals, and by instinct we kind of breed accordingly,&#039;&#039; she says. ``But as much as I believe that, I work really hard when I&#039;m in a relationship to make it work in a monogamous way.&#039;&#039;

Johansson also encourages testing for sexually transmitted diseases. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sounds like being an animal might be the latest fad in these circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I&#8217;m more surprised by Ms Miller&#8217;s frank admission that she &#038; Mr Law are both &#8216;fucking animals&#8217;.</i></p>

	<p>Oddly enough (or not), another actress today is <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,,-6136970,00.html" rel="nofollow">reported saying</a> exactly the same:<br />
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&#8220;I do think on some basic level we are animals, and by instinct we kind of breed accordingly,&#8217;&#8217; she says. &#8220;But as much as I believe that, I work really hard when I&#8217;m in a relationship to make it work in a monogamous way.&#8217;&#8217;</blockquote></p>

	<p>Johansson also encourages testing for sexually transmitted diseases.<br />
<br />
Sounds like being an animal might be the latest fad in these circles.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174512</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the writer intends to communicate the word &quot;shit,&quot; and the reader perceives the word &quot;shit,&quot; what is the point?  The only thing that is unullied here is the newsprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since the writer intends to communicate the word &#8220;shit,&#8221; and the reader perceives the word &#8220;shit,&#8221; what is the point?  The only thing that is unullied here is the newsprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your opinion on the printing of the word n*****?  Print it fully?  Asterisk it?  Indirectly refer to it?  And is your opinion consistent with s*** or f***?

Sk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What&#8217;s your opinion on the printing of the word n*****?  Print it fully?  Asterisk it?  Indirectly refer to it?  And is your opinion consistent with s*** or f***?</p>

	<p>Sk</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174509</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more surprised by Ms Miller&#039;s frank admission that she &amp; Mr Law are both &#039;fucking animals&#039;.  Though she fails to disclose which species is the lucky object of her passion, I believe that this practice is still illegal in a number of states.  Perhaps Pennsylvania is not one of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m more surprised by Ms Miller&#8217;s frank admission that she &#038; Mr Law are both &#8216;fucking animals&#8217;.  Though she fails to disclose which species is the lucky object of her passion, I believe that this practice is still illegal in a number of states.  Perhaps Pennsylvania is not one of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Weiner</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174507</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Weiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I mean, at that point, other than “shurgh,” there’s only one option, right?&lt;/i&gt;

Schlitzburgh, an unconscionable slur on the taste in beer of the home of Iron City? (&quot;Shurgh&quot; doesn&#039;t really rhyme, since it&#039;s lacking the stressed syllable.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I mean, at that point, other than &#8220;shurgh,&#8221; there&#8217;s only one option, right?</i></p>

	<p>Schlitzburgh, an unconscionable slur on the taste in beer of the home of Iron City? (&#8220;Shurgh&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really rhyme, since it&#8217;s lacking the stressed syllable.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174504</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was amusing that in the network TV version of Forrest Gump the famous quote became &quot;It Happens&quot;.  Not only are the words changed in the conversation, the bumper sticker is &quot;fixed&quot; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought it was amusing that in the network TV version of Forrest Gump the famous quote became &#8220;It Happens&#8221;.  Not only are the words changed in the conversation, the bumper sticker is &#8220;fixed&#8221; as well.</p>
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		<title>By: JRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aforemntioned hometown paper goes even farther in making clear what Ms. Miller said:

&lt;i&gt;In an article in Rolling Stone magazine that hits newsstands today, Miss Miller refers to the town as something that starts with &quot;sh&quot; and rhymes with &quot;Pittsburgh.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I mean, at that point, other than &quot;shurgh,&quot; there&#039;s only one option, right? So what&#039;s with the extreme unsubtlety?

On a related note, the Post-Gazette also has a very gentle policy regarding sports quotes: you&#039;d be amazed how many players [stink]. And every once in awhile, I actually can&#039;t figure out what has been replaced with some 3rd grade expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The aforemntioned hometown paper goes even farther in making clear what Ms. Miller said:</p>

	<p><i>In an article in Rolling Stone magazine that hits newsstands today, Miss Miller refers to the town as something that starts with &#8220;sh&#8221; and rhymes with &#8220;Pittsburgh.&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>I mean, at that point, other than &#8220;shurgh,&#8221; there&#8217;s only one option, right? So what&#8217;s with the extreme unsubtlety?</p>

	<p>On a related note, the Post-Gazette also has a very gentle policy regarding sports quotes: you&#8217;d be amazed how many players [stink]. And every once in awhile, I actually can&#8217;t figure out what has been replaced with some 3rd grade expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper Milvain</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasper Milvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginger Yellow: You&#039;re entirely right. But I&#039;d miss what you can learn about each paper from the shape of its bans. The &lt;em&gt;Daily Mail&lt;/em&gt; will print &quot;bitch&quot; in full, but requires an asterisk in &quot;fart&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ginger Yellow: You&#8217;re entirely right. But I&#8217;d miss what you can learn about each paper from the shape of its bans. The <em>Daily Mail</em> will print &#8220;bitch&#8221; in full, but requires an asterisk in &#8220;fart&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/10/taboo-avoidance/comment-page-1/#comment-174497</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have thought that if the SMH wanted to avoid the wrath of Pittsburgh&#039;s loyal army, they wouldn&#039;t want to cover up for its detractors. But maybe this will keep the Pittsburghese from attacking Sydney, which would be nice.

I wasn&#039;t able to find *any* references to Richard Mottram in the SMH, so I don&#039;t know how they covered it. I think that generally they&#039;ve been pretty liberal about what they print in quotes. The real surprise was that they didn&#039;t print Miller&#039;s new name for Pittsburgh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;d have thought that if the <span class="caps">SMH</span> wanted to avoid the wrath of Pittsburgh&#8217;s loyal army, they wouldn&#8217;t want to cover up for its detractors. But maybe this will keep the Pittsburghese from attacking Sydney, which would be nice.</p>

	<p>I wasn&#8217;t able to find <strong>any</strong> references to Richard Mottram in the <span class="caps">SMH</span>, so I don&#8217;t know how they covered it. I think that generally they&#8217;ve been pretty liberal about what they print in quotes. The real surprise was that they didn&#8217;t print Miller&#8217;s new name for Pittsburgh.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where it gets &quot;fun&quot; is when the expletive is germaine to the discussion.

There were many articles in the NYT, The New Yorker, and multiple other places about the controversy after Bruce Springsteen&#039;s &quot;American Skin&quot; was debuted.  Extensive text and discussion, with most people probably wondering what about the song was so offensive to the police officers who heard it.

There&#039;s a bootleg available from the Atlanta shows at which the song was debuted; anyone who has heard it would understand why the offense was taken. (The SMH would have published the lyric, judging by &#039;graf four.)

To his credit, the phrase was taken out of the song after the Atlanta shows, replaced by a silence that focussed and strengthened the impact of the song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Where it gets &#8220;fun&#8221; is when the expletive is germaine to the discussion.</p>

	<p>There were many articles in the <span class="caps">NYT</span>, The New Yorker, and multiple other places about the controversy after Bruce Springsteen&#8217;s &#8220;American Skin&#8221; was debuted.  Extensive text and discussion, with most people probably wondering what about the song was so offensive to the police officers who heard it.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s a bootleg available from the Atlanta shows at which the song was debuted; anyone who has heard it would understand why the offense was taken. (The <span class="caps">SMH</span> would have published the lyric, judging by &#8216;graf four.)</p>

	<p>To his credit, the phrase was taken out of the song after the Atlanta shows, replaced by a silence that focussed and strengthened the impact of the song.</p>
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