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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176275</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/04/nafghan104.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more context.  Their helicopter problems do not sound like they are due to happening in Iraq.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s some <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/04/nafghan104.xml" rel="nofollow">more context.  Their helicopter problems do not sound like they are due to happening in Iraq.</a></p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176270</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He said later it would be inappropriate to associate Iraq with Afghanistan; they were different problems.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;He said later it would be inappropriate to associate Iraq with Afghanistan; they were different problems.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176265</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the article, that doesn&#039;t seem right.  It is rather sloppily assembled to spin the Brigs. comments to fit the storyline.

Granted, it could be as you say in 10, but it is definitely not obvious and actually unlikely.  It reads to me like it was a backhanded comment meant to insult the reporter and politicians in general.  

He seems to be implying that Iraq had little to do with the lack of helicopter in Afghan.  How many helicopters were actually sent to Iraq instead of Afghan?  That should give you a clue as to whether Iraq siginicantly hindered ops in Afghan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Reading the article, that doesn&#8217;t seem right.  It is rather sloppily assembled to spin the Brigs. comments to fit the storyline.</p>

	<p>Granted, it could be as you say in 10, but it is definitely not obvious and actually unlikely.  It reads to me like it was a backhanded comment meant to insult the reporter and politicians in general.</p>

	<p>He seems to be implying that Iraq had little to do with the lack of helicopter in Afghan.  How many helicopters were actually sent to Iraq instead of Afghan?  That should give you a clue as to whether Iraq siginicantly hindered ops in Afghan.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176192</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Without the users vocal inflections and body language, it’s really not easy to tell.&lt;/i&gt;

Quite apart from the context provided, I don&#039;t think so. A senior British officer has a ready phrase for not commenting -- it is &quot;no comment&quot;. This answer is easily interpretable by anyone who knows the culture, and everyone in the government knows what he meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Without the users vocal inflections and body language, it&#8217;s really not easy to tell.</i></p>

	<p>Quite apart from the context provided, I don&#8217;t think so. A senior British officer has a ready phrase for not commenting&#8212;it is &#8220;no comment&#8221;. This answer is easily interpretable by anyone who knows the culture, and everyone in the government knows what he meant.</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dearieme, quite so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>dearieme, quite so!</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176158</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or it could be an accusation, implying agreement with the question and using the question as an accusation against the politicians in charge.&quot;

Given the preceding statements, this is obviously the correct interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Or it could be an accusation, implying agreement with the question and using the question as an accusation against the politicians in charge.&#8221;</p>

	<p>Given the preceding statements, this is obviously the correct interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176100</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Following the admission last week&quot;: I don&#039;t think that &quot;admission&quot; is the right word.  It&#039;s probably more a case of the brass hats reminding the frock coats &quot;We bloody told you so!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Following the admission last week&#8221;: I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;admission&#8221; is the right word.  It&#8217;s probably more a case of the brass hats reminding the frock coats &#8220;We bloody told you so!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: soullite</title>
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		<dc:creator>soullite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that quote can be read a number of ways:

 It could mean &quot; I&#039;m not going to answer, and I&#039;m standing behind my politician&#039;s answer&quot; 

 Or it could mean &quot;I&#039;ve said my part and now it&#039;s the balls in the political court&quot;

 Or it could be an accusation, implying agreement with the question and using the question as an accusation against the politicians in charge.

 Without the users vocal inflections and body language, it&#039;s really not easy to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>that quote can be read a number of ways:</p>

	<p>It could mean &#8221; I&#8217;m not going to answer, and I&#8217;m standing behind my politician&#8217;s answer&#8221;</p>

	<p>Or it could mean &#8220;I&#8217;ve said my part and now it&#8217;s the balls in the political court&#8221;</p>

	<p>Or it could be an accusation, implying agreement with the question and using the question as an accusation against the politicians in charge.</p>

	<p>Without the users vocal inflections and body language, it&#8217;s really not easy to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to see Reid&#039;s reaction - he&#039;s had 2 stints - as Defence Minister and defence secretary and will be well aware of the feelings in the military regarding Iraq and Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Interesting to see Reid&#8217;s reaction &#8211; he&#8217;s had 2 stints &#8211; as Defence Minister and defence secretary and will be well aware of the feelings in the military regarding Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: harry b</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/18/obvious-truths-finally-stated/comment-page-1/#comment-176046</link>
		<dc:creator>harry b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a senior British soldier says a question is “probably best answered by politicians” he very clearly is not deferring to the politicians. Grice and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>When a senior British soldier says a question is &#8220;probably best answered by politicians&#8221; he very clearly is not deferring to the politicians. Grice and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t read the whole thing, but what I read didn&#039;t give me that impression at all.  And the Brig&#039;s quote sounds to me like an emphatic NO.

When someone deffers to politicians, that&#039;s their way of saying that the question itself is bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didn&#8217;t read the whole thing, but what I read didn&#8217;t give me that impression at all.  And the Brig&#8217;s quote sounds to me like an emphatic NO.</p>

	<p>When someone deffers to politicians, that&#8217;s their way of saying that the question itself is bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s precious little support for it in the US, either. But don&#039;t imagine for a moment that will stop BushCo from going ahead anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s precious little support for it in the US, either. But don&#8217;t imagine for a moment that will stop BushCo from going ahead anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: otto</title>
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		<dc:creator>otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no support in UK civil society whatsoever for an attack in Iran by the US, UK or Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s no support in UK civil society whatsoever for an attack in Iran by the US, UK or Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: CKR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s the other possibility that they are raising questions about Afghanistan and Iraq in order to head off an attack on Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s the other possibility that they are raising questions about Afghanistan and Iraq in order to head off an attack on Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One gets a strong sense of this (i.e. what you mentioned in the last sentence) from reading Tony&#039;s, sorry, Harry&#039;s Place, the inhouse blog of the Blair worshippers in the Labour Party. From holding (only about 6 months ago) that GB was the greatest chancellor we have ever had etc, there has been a definite cooling in their attitude as they begin to suspect that Gordy might not be as keen on Bush&#039;s little wars as Blair was. 

See here for example: &#039;Exactly what is Gordon Brown and do we actually want it?...Brown is owed nothing, but acts like a man who is owed the very world. The ungracious, and ungrateful, brooding act is getting a little too much. Maybe a leadership battle and a defeat will see him get what he is actually entitled to: a nice retirement home in Scotland.&#039; (September 12, 2006). 

=http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/09/12/brown_fails_best_test.php


As they have fallen out of love with Gordon, the HP Sauce congingent have fallen in love with &lt;a href=&quot;http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/09/29/reiding_between_the_lines.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Reid&lt;/a&gt;. 

What the British Army think about all this is an interesting question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One gets a strong sense of this (i.e. what you mentioned in the last sentence) from reading Tony&#8217;s, sorry, Harry&#8217;s Place, the inhouse blog of the Blair worshippers in the Labour Party. From holding (only about 6 months ago) that GB was the greatest chancellor we have ever had etc, there has been a definite cooling in their attitude as they begin to suspect that Gordy might not be as keen on Bush&#8217;s little wars as Blair was.</p>

	<p>See here for example: &#8216;Exactly what is Gordon Brown and do we actually want it?&#8230;Brown is owed nothing, but acts like a man who is owed the very world. The ungracious, and ungrateful, brooding act is getting a little too much. Maybe a leadership battle and a defeat will see him get what he is actually entitled to: a nice retirement home in Scotland.&#8217; (September 12, 2006).</p>

	<p>=http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/09/12/brown_fails_best_test.php</p>


	<p>As they have fallen out of love with Gordon, the <span class="caps">HP </span>Sauce congingent have fallen in love with <a href="http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/09/29/reiding_between_the_lines.php" rel="nofollow">John Reid</a>.</p>

	<p>What the British Army think about all this is an interesting question.</p>
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