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	<title>Comments on: Communitarian spam</title>
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	<description>Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made</description>
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		<title>By: robotslave</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176503</link>
		<dc:creator>robotslave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with communitarianism, briefly, is that people self-segregate geographically, even when incomes and real estate prices are comparable.

On a snarkier note, I would suggest that the communitarians keep a good chunk of their audience of liberal professionals by focussing on the immediate local community and the total global community, while avoiding issues and ideas that crop up when you look at the less immediate but still local &quot;community&quot; (or &quot;region,&quot; if you prefer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem with communitarianism, briefly, is that people self-segregate geographically, even when incomes and real estate prices are comparable.</p>

	<p>On a snarkier note, I would suggest that the communitarians keep a good chunk of their audience of liberal professionals by focussing on the immediate local community and the total global community, while avoiding issues and ideas that crop up when you look at the less immediate but still local &#8220;community&#8221; (or &#8220;region,&#8221; if you prefer).</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Nelson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176498</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, I have no sense of humor :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Alas, I have no sense of humor :(</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176464</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benjamin: I&#039;m pretty sure that Ajax&#039; post was a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Benjamin: I&#8217;m pretty sure that Ajax&#8217; post was a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Nelson</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176456</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communitarianism is a form of fascism? Wow. For a second, I thought I was at FrontPageMag or something.

Would somebody here be so good as to post and endorse an intelligible set of reasons for distrusting or disagreeing with the whole body of work known as &quot;communitarianism&quot;? Or should this post just be a mere complaint over some organization&#039;s mailspam?

I myself would never go whole hog and endorse the radical community-before-individual view of the social order. But neither would I be so flippant as to say that liberalism qua liberalism can seriously offer solutions to great sources of human misery in contemporary times, like urban decay. Liberalism is a great overall framework, but it fails at the local level. This is the key insight which has inspired communitarian writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Communitarianism is a form of fascism? Wow. For a second, I thought I was at FrontPageMag or something.</p>

	<p>Would somebody here be so good as to post and endorse an intelligible set of reasons for distrusting or disagreeing with the whole body of work known as &#8220;communitarianism&#8221;? Or should this post just be a mere complaint over some organization&#8217;s mailspam?</p>

	<p>I myself would never go whole hog and endorse the radical community-before-individual view of the social order. But neither would I be so flippant as to say that liberalism qua liberalism can seriously offer solutions to great sources of human misery in contemporary times, like urban decay. Liberalism is a great overall framework, but it fails at the local level. This is the key insight which has inspired communitarian writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob T. Levy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob T. Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seconded, or thirded.  Like you I&#039;ve been worried about filtering it for fear of teaching my filter the wrong lessons, but, good lord.  As I recall Etzioni even wrote a book ostensibly about privacy, commercialization, and the internet (though, for all I know, he came out as pro-spam).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seconded, or thirded.  Like you I&#8217;ve been worried about filtering it for fear of teaching my filter the wrong lessons, but, good lord.  As I recall Etzioni even wrote a book ostensibly about privacy, commercialization, and the internet (though, for all I know, he came out as pro-spam).</p>
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		<title>By: Ajax</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your experience underscores my long-held belief that communitarianism is a form of fascism.  First they tell you that you should work only within walking distance of your home, then they force you to receive their emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Your experience underscores my long-held belief that communitarianism is a form of fascism.  First they tell you that you should work only within walking distance of your home, then they force you to receive their emails.</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176394</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 05:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, I had a feeling you were more focused on the annoyance than a question of how-to. You&#039;re absolutely right to be questioning their practices. I suspect many of these have happened, because we blog. Other culprits have included the Boston Globe and the L.A. Times with daily messages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Henry, I had a feeling you were more focused on the annoyance than a question of how-to. You&#8217;re absolutely right to be questioning their practices. I suspect many of these have happened, because we blog. Other culprits have included the Boston Globe and the L.A. Times with daily messages.</p>
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		<title>By: Cardinal Fang</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176392</link>
		<dc:creator>Cardinal Fang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t tell Gmail it&#039;s spam. Just set up a filter to automatically delete anything from that address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t tell Gmail it&#8217;s spam. Just set up a filter to automatically delete anything from that address.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176379</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for practical suggestions - I have a rule set up to do this - but I&#039;m more venting my general annoyance here at what seems to me to be bad practice than asking for suggestions of how to deal with it. c.l. ball - I actually think it&#039;s a bad idea to use the spam filter to get rid of it, at least if it&#039;s Bayesian (as in Thunderbird) as the filter will be more likely to delete useful messages that talk about politics in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for practical suggestions &#8211; I have a rule set up to do this &#8211; but I&#8217;m more venting my general annoyance here at what seems to me to be bad practice than asking for suggestions of how to deal with it. c.l. ball &#8211; I actually think it&#8217;s a bad idea to use the spam filter to get rid of it, at least if it&#8217;s Bayesian (as in Thunderbird) as the filter will be more likely to delete useful messages that talk about politics in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176371</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shame shame shame, for bloody shame</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>shame shame shame, for bloody shame</p>
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		<title>By: Eszter</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176358</link>
		<dc:creator>Eszter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall you use GMail, so I recommend an automatic filter delete. Of course, that doesn&#039;t excuse their practices at all, but it works well. This method also works very well for other organizations that put you on their mailing lists for press releases without ever asking you about it (or even sending an introductory note to mention it).  &quot;Skip the Inbox&quot; &amp; &quot;Delete It&quot; is a very helpful combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If I recall you use GMail, so I recommend an automatic filter delete. Of course, that doesn&#8217;t excuse their practices at all, but it works well. This method also works very well for other organizations that put you on their mailing lists for press releases without ever asking you about it (or even sending an introductory note to mention it).  &#8220;Skip the Inbox&#8221; &#038; &#8220;Delete It&#8221; is a very helpful combination.</p>
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		<title>By: c .l. ball</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176357</link>
		<dc:creator>c .l. ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get those annoying emails too. Why not just set you spam/junk filter to exclude it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I get those annoying emails too. Why not just set you spam/junk filter to exclude it?</p>
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		<title>By: engels</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/20/communitarian-spam/comment-page-1/#comment-176349</link>
		<dc:creator>engels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expect them to reply that it&#039;s selfish to think that you can just opt in an out of these things: the idea that you existed as an individual &quot;prior&quot; to joining the mailing list is metaphysical claptrap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Expect them to reply that it&#8217;s selfish to think that you can just opt in an out of these things: the idea that you existed as an individual &#8220;prior&#8221; to joining the mailing list is metaphysical claptrap.</p>
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