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	<title>Comments on: Is Social Democracy a viable model for the European future?</title>
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		<title>By: Garrick Van Buren .com &#187; I Thought Europe Was Already a Museum ;)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrick Van Buren .com &#187; I Thought Europe Was Already a Museum ;)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I Thought Europe Was Already a Museum ;)  Event.observe(window, &#039;load&#039;, init-467, false); function init-467(){ Event.observe(&#039;buckapost_input-467&#039;, &#039;keypress&#039;, buckapost_update-467, false); } function buckapost_update-467(){ var url = &#039;http://garrickvanburen.com/wp-buckapost-file.php&#039;; var pars = &#039;buckapost_input-467=&#039;+escape($F(&#039;buckapost_input-467&#039;)); var target = &#039;buckapost_message-467&#039;; var myAjax = new Ajax.Updater(target, url, {method: &#039;get&#039;, parameters: pars}); }  &#8220;In that scenario Europe survives as an Asian and American theme park, with the manual labor done by Muslims. The French and German lifestyle will continue, but with smaller numbers and as a kind of museum piece.&#8221; - Tyler Cowen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] I Thought Europe Was Already a Museum ;)  Event.observe(window, &#8216;load&#8217;, init-467, false); function init-467(){ Event.observe(&#8216;buckapost_input-467&#8217;, &#8216;keypress&#8217;, buckapost_update-467, false); } function buckapost_update-467(){ var url = &#8216;http://garrickvanburen.com/wp-buckapost-file.php&#8217;; var pars = &#8216;buckapost_input-467=&#8217;+escape($F(&#8216;buckapost_input-467&#8217;)); var target = &#8216;buckapost_message-467&#8217;; var myAjax = new Ajax.Updater(target, url, {method: &#8216;get&#8217;, parameters: pars}); }  &#8220;In that scenario Europe survives as an Asian and American theme park, with the manual labor done by Muslims. The French and German lifestyle will continue, but with smaller numbers and as a kind of museum piece.&#8221; &#8211; Tyler Cowen [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Quiggin &#187; Doubts about demography (crossposted at CT)</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-178398</link>
		<dc:creator>John Quiggin &#187; Doubts about demography (crossposted at CT)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But there&#8217;s one point on which Cowen lays a lot of stress in this post from the Sheri Berman seminar - the fact that Europe has low birthrates and therefore, on average, is likely to have lower output per person in the future. As he says, this is an issue on which I and CT commenters have been conspicuously silent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] But there&#8217;s one point on which Cowen lays a lot of stress in this post from the Sheri Berman seminar &#8211; the fact that Europe has low birthrates and therefore, on average, is likely to have lower output per person in the future. As he says, this is an issue on which I and CT commenters have been conspicuously silent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Dubious about demography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crooked Timber &#187; &#187; Dubious about demography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But there&#8217;s one point on which Cowen lays a lot of stress in this post from the Sheri Berman seminar &#8211; the fact that Europe has low birthrates and therefore, on average, is likely to have lower output per person in the future. As he says, this is an issue on which I and CT commenters have been conspicuously silent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] But there&#8217;s one point on which Cowen lays a lot of stress in this post from the Sheri Berman seminar &#8211; the fact that Europe has low birthrates and therefore, on average, is likely to have lower output per person in the future. As he says, this is an issue on which I and CT commenters have been conspicuously silent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Progress Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exponential Growth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progress Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Exponential Growth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Is Social Democracy a viable model for the European future?&#8221; by Tyler Cowen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Knemon</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177589</link>
		<dc:creator>Knemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As for his assertion that low fertility is a function of European secularism… what is there to do but roll one’s eys?&quot;

You could argue against it.

No, you&#039;re right, rolling one&#039;s eyes is a much better response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;As for his assertion that low fertility is a function of European secularism&#8230; what is there to do but roll one&#8217;s eys?&#8221;</p>

	<p>You could argue against it.</p>

	<p>No, you&#8217;re right, rolling one&#8217;s eyes is a much better response.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who say that lower fertility is bad for economic growth have the causality backward.

All over the world, including the USA, economic growth leads to more education.  All over the world more education, particularly of women, leads to lower fertility.

In rough terms current global fertility seems to be maximized at about the $5,000 per captia GDP and an eighth grade education for women.  

The future may be different but from a strictly evolutionary point of view it doesn&#039;t seem to pay to be too rich or too well educated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The people who say that lower fertility is bad for economic growth have the causality backward.</p>

	<p>All over the world, including the <span class="caps">USA</span>, economic growth leads to more education.  All over the world more education, particularly of women, leads to lower fertility.</p>

	<p>In rough terms current global fertility seems to be maximized at about the $5,000 per captia <span class="caps">GDP</span> and an eighth grade education for women.</p>

	<p>The future may be different but from a strictly evolutionary point of view it doesn&#8217;t seem to pay to be too rich or too well educated.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; So, are you saying it’s a good thing? It’s waste. I worked for 3 or
&gt; 4 dot-com companies and saw everything, literally everything produced
&gt; by hundreds of people over several years disappearing literally
&gt; overnight; pure waste. 

Yep!  But, guess what - the waste factor&#039;s even worse in big organizations.  

In pre-Gerstner IBM, the products of tens of thousands of people would vanish, and they would take thousands or tens of thousands of people to do what outside companies took 100 to do.

&gt; yes, it does produce a lot of GDP, but too much of it is waste.

Production without waste is impossible.  Because people make mistakes.  And people run our companies, governments, and organizations.

The important thing is that you got paid and probably had a little fun, as hard as it was when the impending ill fates became apparent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> So, are you saying it&#8217;s a good thing? It&#8217;s waste. I worked for 3 or<br />
> 4 dot-com companies and saw everything, literally everything produced<br />
> by hundreds of people over several years disappearing literally<br />
> overnight; pure waste.</p>

	<p>Yep!  But, guess what &#8211; the waste factor&#8217;s even worse in big organizations.</p>

	<p>In pre-Gerstner <span class="caps">IBM</span>, the products of tens of thousands of people would vanish, and they would take thousands or tens of thousands of people to do what outside companies took 100 to do.</p>

	<p>> yes, it does produce a lot of <span class="caps">GDP</span>, but too much of it is waste.</p>

	<p>Production without waste is impossible.  Because people make mistakes.  And people run our companies, governments, and organizations.</p>

	<p>The important thing is that you got paid and probably had a little fun, as hard as it was when the impending ill fates became apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Manifold</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177509</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Manifold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon (#65) nailed me re: Kurzweil.  I would note only that even if Kurzweil is pretty far off, predictions about the state of Europe &lt;i&gt;ca&lt;/i&gt; 2050, let alone 2100, are rather like those late 19th century attempts to calculate the year in which the streets of Manhattan would be buried ten feet deep in horse manure.  Nor, again, am I defending social democracy, which has many foolish inefficiencies and is, in its actual effects, often far less compassionate or equitable than its adherents imagine.  But they might still get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Jon (#65) nailed me re: Kurzweil.  I would note only that even if Kurzweil is pretty far off, predictions about the state of Europe <i>ca</i> 2050, let alone 2100, are rather like those late 19th century attempts to calculate the year in which the streets of Manhattan would be buried ten feet deep in horse manure.  Nor, again, am I defending social democracy, which has many foolish inefficiencies and is, in its actual effects, often far less compassionate or equitable than its adherents imagine.  But they might still get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: david g</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177506</link>
		<dc:creator>david g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#73: the link to &quot;Why Europe chooses extinction&quot;, which I assume is an article, is simply to the top of this page.  What is the actual link?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>#73: the link to &#8220;Why Europe chooses extinction&#8221;, which I assume is an article, is simply to the top of this page.  What is the actual link?</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177483</link>
		<dc:creator>Alistair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Immigration isn&#039;t the answer to Europe&#039;s demographic crisis, at least not under the current system.  Too many immigrants in Europe simply take advantage of the generous welfare state by living on the dole, providing a drag on the economy rather than a boost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Immigration isn&#8217;t the answer to Europe&#8217;s demographic crisis, at least not under the current system.  Too many immigrants in Europe simply take advantage of the generous welfare state by living on the dole, providing a drag on the economy rather than a boost.</p>
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		<title>By: Catallarchy</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177479</link>
		<dc:creator>Catallarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 05:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Reducing growth now is bad juju...&lt;/strong&gt;

Apropos of the comment left by Glen Whitman of Agoraphilia below[1], I link to Tyler Cowen&#039;s entry over at Crooked Timber&#039;s recent symposium on Social Democracy, er The Primacy of Politics.

In the course of eulogizing the European Social Model, Ty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><strong>Reducing growth now is bad juju&#8230;</strong></p>

	<p>Apropos of the comment left by Glen Whitman of Agoraphilia below[1], I link to Tyler Cowen&#8217;s entry over at Crooked Timber&#8217;s recent symposium on Social Democracy, er The Primacy of Politics.</p>

	<p>In the course of eulogizing the European Social Model, Ty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RSSCMH</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/10/30/is-social-democracy-a-viable-model-for-the-european-future/comment-page-2/#comment-177476</link>
		<dc:creator>RSSCMH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 04:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further evidence for Prof. Cowen&#039;s argument: Lewis, William, The Power of Productivity: Wealth, Poverty, and the Threat to Global Stability, U of Chicago Press, 2004. 339 pp.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1423&amp;L2=19&amp;L3=67&amp;srid=15&amp;gp=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Excerpt&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/004517.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Review&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=061705A&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interview&lt;/a&gt;

Another angle:

&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Europe chooses extinction by Spengler&lt;/a&gt;:

Demographics is destiny. Never in recorded history have prosperous and peaceful nations chosen to disappear from the face of the earth. Yet that is what the Europeans have chosen to do. ... In 200 years, French and German will be spoken exclusively in hell. ...

Little enough has been said about the &quot;how&quot; but almost nothing about the &quot;why&quot; of Europe&#039;s demographic suicide. Suicidal behavior is common among (for example) stone-age tribes who have encountered the modern world. One can extend this example to Tamil or Arab suicide bombers ... . Here I draw on the German-Jewish theologian Franz Rosenzweig (1886-1929), an existentialist of sorts. ...

All religion, Rosenzweig argued, responds to man&#039;s anxiety in the face of death (against which philosophy is like a child stuffing his fingers in his ears and shouting, &quot;I can&#039;t hear you!&quot;). The pagans of old faced death with the confidence that their race would continue. But tribes and nations anticipate their own extinction just as individuals anticipate their own death, he added: &quot;The love of the nations for their own nationhood is sweet and pregnant with the presentiment of death.&quot; Each nation, he wrote, knows that some day other peoples will occupy their lands, and their language and culture will be interred in dusty books.

The early Christian Church encountered a great extinction of peoples and their cultures through the rise and fall of the Alexandrine and Roman empires. ... As nations faced extinction, individuals within these nations came face to face with their own mortality. Christianity offered an answer: the Church called individuals out of the nations and offered them salvation in the form of a life beyond the grave. ... Christianity made possible the assimilation of thousands of doomed tribes into what became European nations. ... By providing the pagans with a humanized God (and a humanized mother of God and a host of saints), Christianity allowed the pagans to continue to worship their own image.

Yet Christianity&#039;s weakness, Rosenzweig added, lay in the devil&#039;s bargain it made with the old paganism. ... The result, wrote Rosenzweig, is that Christians &quot;are forever torn between Jesus and [the medieval pagan hero] Siegfried&quot;.

... For today&#039;s Europeans, there is no consolation, neither the old pagan continuity of national culture, nor the Christian continuity into the hereafter. ... They have no ambition but to die quietly, no concerns except for those amusements which might reduce boredom and anxiety en route to the grave. They have no passions except hatred born of envy. They hate America, a new kind of universality that succeeded where the old Christian empire failed. They hate Israel, which makes the Jewish people appear all the more eternal in stark contrast to Europe&#039;s morbid temporality. They will pass out of history unmourned even by themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Further evidence for Prof. Cowen&#8217;s argument: Lewis, William, The Power of Productivity: Wealth, Poverty, and the Threat to Global Stability, U of Chicago Press, 2004. 339 pp.<br />
<a href="http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1423&#038;L2=19&#038;L3=67&#038;srid=15&#038;gp=1" rel="nofollow">Excerpt</a><br />
<a href="http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/004517.html" rel="nofollow">Review</a><br />
<a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=061705A" rel="nofollow">Interview</a></p>

	<p>Another angle:</p>

	<p><a href="" rel="nofollow">Why Europe chooses extinction by Spengler</a>:</p>

	<p>Demographics is destiny. Never in recorded history have prosperous and peaceful nations chosen to disappear from the face of the earth. Yet that is what the Europeans have chosen to do. &#8230; In 200 years, French and German will be spoken exclusively in hell. &#8230;</p>

	<p>Little enough has been said about the &#8220;how&#8221; but almost nothing about the &#8220;why&#8221; of Europe&#8217;s demographic suicide. Suicidal behavior is common among (for example) stone-age tribes who have encountered the modern world. One can extend this example to Tamil or Arab suicide bombers &#8230; . Here I draw on the German-Jewish theologian Franz Rosenzweig (1886-1929), an existentialist of sorts. &#8230;</p>

	<p>All religion, Rosenzweig argued, responds to man&#8217;s anxiety in the face of death (against which philosophy is like a child stuffing his fingers in his ears and shouting, &#8220;I can&#8217;t hear you!&#8221;). The pagans of old faced death with the confidence that their race would continue. But tribes and nations anticipate their own extinction just as individuals anticipate their own death, he added: &#8220;The love of the nations for their own nationhood is sweet and pregnant with the presentiment of death.&#8221; Each nation, he wrote, knows that some day other peoples will occupy their lands, and their language and culture will be interred in dusty books.</p>

	<p>The early Christian Church encountered a great extinction of peoples and their cultures through the rise and fall of the Alexandrine and Roman empires. &#8230; As nations faced extinction, individuals within these nations came face to face with their own mortality. Christianity offered an answer: the Church called individuals out of the nations and offered them salvation in the form of a life beyond the grave. &#8230; Christianity made possible the assimilation of thousands of doomed tribes into what became European nations. &#8230; By providing the pagans with a humanized God (and a humanized mother of God and a host of saints), Christianity allowed the pagans to continue to worship their own image.</p>

	<p>Yet Christianity&#8217;s weakness, Rosenzweig added, lay in the devil&#8217;s bargain it made with the old paganism. &#8230; The result, wrote Rosenzweig, is that Christians &#8220;are forever torn between Jesus and [the medieval pagan hero] Siegfried&#8221;.</p>

	<p>&#8230; For today&#8217;s Europeans, there is no consolation, neither the old pagan continuity of national culture, nor the Christian continuity into the hereafter. &#8230; They have no ambition but to die quietly, no concerns except for those amusements which might reduce boredom and anxiety en route to the grave. They have no passions except hatred born of envy. They hate America, a new kind of universality that succeeded where the old Christian empire failed. They hate Israel, which makes the Jewish people appear all the more eternal in stark contrast to Europe&#8217;s morbid temporality. They will pass out of history unmourned even by themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Beaufort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beaufort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Articulate and erudite.  However, economics is of little import when the birth rate for Europeans hovers at 1.4 and the birthrate of &quot;immigrants&quot; sits at 4.3.  It is more appropriate to look at the economies of the Middle East vs Europe than comparing to US.  Are there any studies of productivity when wearing a burkha vs not wearing a burkha?  {The US has at best a 15 year hiatus to get its act in order.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Articulate and erudite.  However, economics is of little import when the birth rate for Europeans hovers at 1.4 and the birthrate of &#8220;immigrants&#8221; sits at 4.3.  It is more appropriate to look at the economies of the Middle East vs Europe than comparing to US.  Are there any studies of productivity when wearing a burkha vs not wearing a burkha?  {The US has at best a 15 year hiatus to get its act in order.]</p>
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		<title>By: Quo Vadis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quo Vadis</dc:creator>
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		<description>Are proponents of the European social model are suggesting that, if implemented correctly, it would be ideal for all time and under all circumstances?  That seems a dangerously rigid position to take given the complexity of social and economic systems and the dynamism of environmental influences.  Historically, it seems that those societies that were less capable of adapting to change have been left behind by those more capable.  

Is the assumption made that the technocrats in the government would always be able to make the necessary adjustments within the confines of the model keep the model working sufficiently well?  Would adjustments that alter the fundamental assumptions of the model like privatization be acceptable under the model?  Would any adjustment that diminished the power of the technocrats be realistic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Are proponents of the European social model are suggesting that, if implemented correctly, it would be ideal for all time and under all circumstances?  That seems a dangerously rigid position to take given the complexity of social and economic systems and the dynamism of environmental influences.  Historically, it seems that those societies that were less capable of adapting to change have been left behind by those more capable.</p>

	<p>Is the assumption made that the technocrats in the government would always be able to make the necessary adjustments within the confines of the model keep the model working sufficiently well?  Would adjustments that alter the fundamental assumptions of the model like privatization be acceptable under the model?  Would any adjustment that diminished the power of the technocrats be realistic?</p>
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		<title>By: reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samchevre, 

Are you sure about the Netherlands&#039; female &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=Netherlands+female+employment+rate&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;meta=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;employment rate?&lt;/a&gt; 2005 OECD figures indicate that they are only two percentage points ahead of the US female population (74% v 72%), and given the traditionally very high support in the Netherlands for part-time female work, I would strongly suspect that a higher and possibly even far higher percentage of American women (and American mothers, in particular) are in full-time employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Samchevre,</p>

	<p>Are you sure about the Netherlands&#8217; female <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&#038;q=Netherlands+female+employment+rate&#038;btnG=Google+Search&#038;meta=" rel="nofollow">employment rate?</a> 2005 <span class="caps">OECD</span> figures indicate that they are only two percentage points ahead of the US female population (74% v 72%), and given the traditionally very high support in the Netherlands for part-time female work, I would strongly suspect that a higher and possibly even far higher percentage of American women (and American mothers, in particular) are in full-time employment.</p>
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