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	<title>Comments on: The Primacy of Politics: The Past, Present, and Contested Future of Social Democracy</title>
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		<title>By: eSecuritization - Latest updates on structured finance and securities. &#187; Berman&#8217;s The Primacy of Politics, a Crooked Timber Online Seminar</title>
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		<dc:creator>eSecuritization - Latest updates on structured finance and securities. &#187; Berman&#8217;s The Primacy of Politics, a Crooked Timber Online Seminar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For those of you who&#8217;ve missed it, Crooked Timber has an online seminar of Sheri Berman&#8217;s The Primacy of Politics: Social Democracy and the Making of Europe&#8217;s Twentieth Century. Henry Farrell, Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution, Mathew Yglesias, John Quiggin, SEIU&#8217;s Jim McNeill, and our own Mark Blyth offer insights and critques, Berman responds, and readers chime in. From Mark&#8217;s piece: Social democracy may have been a good idea, but it was also a post-war phenomenon brought about by the devastation fascism brought upon itself. If World War Two hadn’t happened, if Strasser had bested Hitler, if the xenophobia had stayed in the bottle, would fascism have fallen? While counterfactuals are at best a parlor game, they are nonetheless helpful in clarifying possibilities. If the war had not happened, and if the alternative of the Soviet Union had not risen to post-war prominence, would the need to placate the working classes of Europe with welfarism and democracy been so pressing? Would the victory have come about at all, never mind later than advertised. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] For those of you who&#8217;ve missed it, Crooked Timber has an online seminar of Sheri Berman&#8217;s The Primacy of Politics: Social Democracy and the Making of Europe&#8217;s Twentieth Century. Henry Farrell, Tyler Cowen of Marginal Revolution, Mathew Yglesias, John Quiggin, <span class="caps">SEIU</span>&#8217;s Jim McNeill, and our own Mark Blyth offer insights and critques, Berman responds, and readers chime in. From Mark&#8217;s piece: Social democracy may have been a good idea, but it was also a post-war phenomenon brought about by the devastation fascism brought upon itself. If World War Two hadn&#8217;t happened, if Strasser had bested Hitler, if the xenophobia had stayed in the bottle, would fascism have fallen? While counterfactuals are at best a parlor game, they are nonetheless helpful in clarifying possibilities. If the war had not happened, and if the alternative of the Soviet Union had not risen to post-war prominence, would the need to placate the working classes of Europe with welfarism and democracy been so pressing? Would the victory have come about at all, never mind later than advertised. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Consuelo Cruz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Consuelo Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bringing the Intellect Back In


Mention Weber, Polanyi, Moore, or Hirschman, and I think illuminations. Joining  intellect and scholarship, they conjured up visions of  probable worlds -- worlds of social relations and institutional arrangements that were neither foreordained nor random, and could come into full being only through the crucible of politics.   

From Weber to Hirschman, theirs was a grand intellectual and scholarly tradition that fashionable minimalists would later neglect, even disdain. And theirs is the tradition to which Berman’s books --  first The Social Democratic Moment, now The Primacy of Politics -- belong. While many in the profession put on displays of technical proficiency, Berman is bringing the intellect back into political science.      

She is also bringing back the “moment.” And she’s doing it judiciously. In my reading of The Primacy, Berman does not dispute that the ideational and institutional scaffoldings of European political democracy were constructed through protracted and complex processes -- not just treatises based on thought experiments but treaties based on princely contestations were involved. In Berman’s gripping narrative, in fact, these scaffoldings helped sustain the social democrats as they faced a series of choices, each more difficult than the previous. 

For Berman, the democratic revisionists’ blows to Marxist orthodoxy and the socialists’ growing appreciation for the art of the possible helped set the stage for a struggle between incipient social democracy and its own probable alternatives. Communitarian concerns and a deep faith in the political, after all, animated fascism as well, just like the impulse to approach economic relations in an all-or-nothing spirit was a hallmark trait of radical liberalism. 

Through a blend of conviction, foresight, determination, and coalitional skill, social democrats opened up their own distinctive path to a more noble probable future, even if still overshadowed in the interwar period by its crass and noxious rivals. Sweden was the paradigm of principled pragmatism. Social democrats elsewhere recognized the great power of market capitalism (to generate wealth and devastate communities) and the even greater power of politics (to tame the market’s destructive excesses and foment its benefits). They also resolved to harness the latter democratically. What a moment. 

This story played out with varying outcomes across Western Europe, from the Scandinavian periphery to the German core to the Italian peninsula. Not much later, on this side of the Atlantic, in the marginal coffee-growing country of Costa Rica, a small group of intellectuals/political leaders created a think-tank which, through astute institutional mergers, they transformed into a political party dedicated to the proposition that their country must repudiate fascism, communism, and unrestrained capitalism. These self-proclaimed revolutionaries did resort to violence, but in a clash so limited in time and scope that seriously violent neighboring countries derided it as a “tiny little war”. Moreover, once this brief war was settled in their favor, the revolutionaries unrelentingly pursued socioeconomic reformism in particular and principled pragmatism more broadly. They built an exceptional order that remains to this day unparalleled in the region. 

Most accounts of this tropical variant of social democracy have hinged on the primacy of economics. And most students of political and economic development in the region have almost blindly subscribed to these accounts. Once again, misunderstood. 

As Latin America grapples with unsatisfactory models and the challenges of globalization, few, if any, look to the Costa Rican social democratic chapter for insight. Lately, not even the Costa Ricans themselves do. Once again, forgotten.

So, why do we misunderstand and forget our usable pasts?</description>
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	<p>Mention Weber, Polanyi, Moore, or Hirschman, and I think illuminations. Joining  intellect and scholarship, they conjured up visions of  probable worlds&#8212;worlds of social relations and institutional arrangements that were neither foreordained nor random, and could come into full being only through the crucible of politics.</p>

	<p>From Weber to Hirschman, theirs was a grand intellectual and scholarly tradition that fashionable minimalists would later neglect, even disdain. And theirs is the tradition to which Berman&#8217;s books&#8212; first The Social Democratic Moment, now The Primacy of Politics&#8212;belong. While many in the profession put on displays of technical proficiency, Berman is bringing the intellect back into political science.</p>

	<p>She is also bringing back the &#8220;moment.&#8221; And she&#8217;s doing it judiciously. In my reading of The Primacy, Berman does not dispute that the ideational and institutional scaffoldings of European political democracy were constructed through protracted and complex processes&#8212;not just treatises based on thought experiments but treaties based on princely contestations were involved. In Berman&#8217;s gripping narrative, in fact, these scaffoldings helped sustain the social democrats as they faced a series of choices, each more difficult than the previous.</p>

	<p>For Berman, the democratic revisionists&#8217; blows to Marxist orthodoxy and the socialists&#8217; growing appreciation for the art of the possible helped set the stage for a struggle between incipient social democracy and its own probable alternatives. Communitarian concerns and a deep faith in the political, after all, animated fascism as well, just like the impulse to approach economic relations in an all-or-nothing spirit was a hallmark trait of radical liberalism.</p>

	<p>Through a blend of conviction, foresight, determination, and coalitional skill, social democrats opened up their own distinctive path to a more noble probable future, even if still overshadowed in the interwar period by its crass and noxious rivals. Sweden was the paradigm of principled pragmatism. Social democrats elsewhere recognized the great power of market capitalism (to generate wealth and devastate communities) and the even greater power of politics (to tame the market&#8217;s destructive excesses and foment its benefits). They also resolved to harness the latter democratically. What a moment.</p>

	<p>This story played out with varying outcomes across Western Europe, from the Scandinavian periphery to the German core to the Italian peninsula. Not much later, on this side of the Atlantic, in the marginal coffee-growing country of Costa Rica, a small group of intellectuals/political leaders created a think-tank which, through astute institutional mergers, they transformed into a political party dedicated to the proposition that their country must repudiate fascism, communism, and unrestrained capitalism. These self-proclaimed revolutionaries did resort to violence, but in a clash so limited in time and scope that seriously violent neighboring countries derided it as a &#8220;tiny little war&#8221;. Moreover, once this brief war was settled in their favor, the revolutionaries unrelentingly pursued socioeconomic reformism in particular and principled pragmatism more broadly. They built an exceptional order that remains to this day unparalleled in the region.</p>

	<p>Most accounts of this tropical variant of social democracy have hinged on the primacy of economics. And most students of political and economic development in the region have almost blindly subscribed to these accounts. Once again, misunderstood.</p>

	<p>As Latin America grapples with unsatisfactory models and the challenges of globalization, few, if any, look to the Costa Rican social democratic chapter for insight. Lately, not even the Costa Ricans themselves do. Once again, forgotten.</p>

	<p>So, why do we misunderstand and forget our usable pasts?</p>
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		<title>By: john c. halasz</title>
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		<dc:creator>john c. halasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Iberian examples would be more properly classified as phalangist rather than fascist, a more traditionalistic and limited form of political-military authoritarianism, more comparable to Admiral Horthy&#039;s Hungary than Hitler&#039;s Germany. Fascism denotes a radical, intensely modernistic form of anti-modern reaction, seeking to actively mobilize the masses into a total dictatorial control over what are, in fact, highly differentiated modern societies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Iberian examples would be more properly classified as phalangist rather than fascist, a more traditionalistic and limited form of political-military authoritarianism, more comparable to Admiral Horthy&#8217;s Hungary than Hitler&#8217;s Germany. Fascism denotes a radical, intensely modernistic form of anti-modern reaction, seeking to actively mobilize the masses into a total dictatorial control over what are, in fact, highly differentiated modern societies.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;On the contrary, most accounts of fascism would have it that fascism was an unstable, heterogeneous ideological hodge-podge, driven by the essential emptiness of its own ideological imperative as a claim to unlimited power to self-consuming destructiveness.&lt;/em&gt;

Franco&#039;s Spain and Salazar&#039;s Portugal suggest that it was more stable than you suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><em>On the contrary, most accounts of fascism would have it that fascism was an unstable, heterogeneous ideological hodge-podge, driven by the essential emptiness of its own ideological imperative as a claim to unlimited power to self-consuming destructiveness.</em></p>

	<p>Franco&#8217;s Spain and Salazar&#8217;s Portugal suggest that it was more stable than you suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: john c. halasz</title>
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		<dc:creator>john c. halasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that fascism was potentially a stable arrangement expressed in the above review strikes me as strange. On the contrary, most accounts of fascism would have it that fascism was an unstable, heterogeneous ideological hodge-podge, driven by the essential emptiness of its own ideological imperative as a claim to unlimited power to self-consuming destructiveness.

 Also, the basic material-structural fact of the oligopolist concentration of industry, with its inability to stabilize its input/output requirements in the face of the larger society in which it was dominantly embedded, which neither classical liberalism, nor social-democratic corporatist bargaining could quite acknowledge and fully come to terms with, seems to me to have been a larger determinant of the situation than any play of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The idea that fascism was potentially a stable arrangement expressed in the above review strikes me as strange. On the contrary, most accounts of fascism would have it that fascism was an unstable, heterogeneous ideological hodge-podge, driven by the essential emptiness of its own ideological imperative as a claim to unlimited power to self-consuming destructiveness.</p>

	<p>Also, the basic material-structural fact of the oligopolist concentration of industry, with its inability to stabilize its input/output requirements in the face of the larger society in which it was dominantly embedded, which neither classical liberalism, nor social-democratic corporatist bargaining could quite acknowledge and fully come to terms with, seems to me to have been a larger determinant of the situation than any play of ideas.</p>
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