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		<title>By: Sadly, No! &#187; Not So Snappy Answers To Simple Questions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadly, No! &#187; Not So Snappy Answers To Simple Questions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All the wingnuts can do &#8212; all they have ever done despite poll after poll like the one Yglesias cites &#8212; is insist, like Walter Russell Mead in the Zbig link, that those Iraqis who do not want us there are merely jihadists and terrorists, a minority faction. In point of fact, just as no American would tolerate an occupier here (&#8217;benevolent&#8217; or not), no ordinary Iraqi wants one there. Everyone wants to be sovereign. In short, wingnuts lie because they want to control other peoples and nations. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] All the wingnuts can do &#8212; all they have ever done despite poll after poll like the one Yglesias cites &#8212; is insist, like Walter Russell Mead in the Zbig link, that those Iraqis who do not want us there are merely jihadists and terrorists, a minority faction. In point of fact, just as no American would tolerate an occupier here (&#8217;benevolent&#8217; or not), no ordinary Iraqi wants one there. Everyone wants to be sovereign. In short, wingnuts lie because they want to control other peoples and nations. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Antti Nannimus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antti Nannimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

If Canada invaded Minnesota, as long as it lasted anyway, I could consider myself finally freed from the tyranny. Not even to mention universal health insurance as a birthright!I live in Minnesota. Hell, the border should rightfully have gone up the Saint Louis River in the first place, leaving Duluth, the Iron Range, and the Boundary Waters Canoe Wilderness Area in Canada where they belong. 

Have a nice day.

Antti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi,</p>

	<p>If Canada invaded Minnesota, as long as it lasted anyway, I could consider myself finally freed from the tyranny. Not even to mention universal health insurance as a birthright!I live in Minnesota. Hell, the border should rightfully have gone up the Saint Louis River in the first place, leaving Duluth, the Iron Range, and the Boundary Waters Canoe Wilderness Area in Canada where they belong.</p>

	<p>Have a nice day.</p>

	<p>Antti</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
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		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Lebanese were farming the land, and paying property taxes on it to the Lebanese government.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, occupation of Shebba farms is certainly a provocation, but let&#039;s not forget that this current generation of Southern Lebanese Muslims (aka Hezbollah) grew up under Israeli occupation (1982-2000), terrorised and looted by the IDF and their SLA helpers. That&#039;s 18 years of terrorising and plundering. There is a documented incident when topsoil was removed off Lebanese farmland and shipped to Israel; the UN had to intervene to stop it. 

Yeah, and the next generation is going to grow up with millions of Israeli-American bomblets laying around their gardens and fields, ready to go off - so some time in the next decade we are bound to find out if that helped improve their attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Lebanese were farming the land, and paying property taxes on it to the Lebanese government.</i></p>

	<p>Well, occupation of Shebba farms is certainly a provocation, but let&#8217;s not forget that this current generation of Southern Lebanese Muslims (aka Hezbollah) grew up under Israeli occupation (1982-2000), terrorised and looted by the <span class="caps">IDF</span> and their <span class="caps">SLA</span> helpers. That&#8217;s 18 years of terrorising and plundering. There is a documented incident when topsoil was removed off Lebanese farmland and shipped to Israel; the UN had to intervene to stop it.</p>

	<p>Yeah, and the next generation is going to grow up with millions of Israeli-American bomblets laying around their gardens and fields, ready to go off &#8211; so some time in the next decade we are bound to find out if that helped improve their attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: jkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I stand by my complaint that domestic protectionism for our corn-fed pundits would spare us from ever having to read Mark Steyn again.&quot;

To say nothing of Adam Yoshida. But let&#039;s not forget the slop our former colonial overlords have been sending us in recent years: Sebastian Mallaby. And Hitch. And Little Roy. And Tony Blankley.

They can take them all back, along with our &lt;a href=&quot;http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1947280,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;crappy health care system&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I stand by my complaint that domestic protectionism for our corn-fed pundits would spare us from ever having to read Mark Steyn again.&#8221;</p>

	<p>To say nothing of Adam Yoshida. But let&#8217;s not forget the slop our former colonial overlords have been sending us in recent years: Sebastian Mallaby. And Hitch. And Little Roy. And Tony Blankley.</p>

	<p>They can take them all back, along with our <a href="http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1947280,00.html" rel="nofollow">crappy health care system</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: thetruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It is also true that, prior to the 1967 war in which the land was taken from Syria, the Lebanese were not fighting to liberate it from the Syrians.&lt;/i&gt;

Why would there be fighting over it? The Lebanese were farming the land, and paying property taxes on it to the Lebanese government. What about that situation do you think should have led to the Lebanese taking up violent action?

Contrast to the Israeli position of, &quot;There is a technical dispute over whether this land belongs to Syria, or Lebanon, so quite obviously it is desired by a higher power that this land be settled by Israelis of the proper ethnic background for their exclusive use in perpetuity&quot;.

I can see the second situation leading to some fighting. The first, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It is also true that, prior to the 1967 war in which the land was taken from Syria, the Lebanese were not fighting to liberate it from the Syrians.</i></p>

	<p>Why would there be fighting over it? The Lebanese were farming the land, and paying property taxes on it to the Lebanese government. What about that situation do you think should have led to the Lebanese taking up violent action?</p>

	<p>Contrast to the Israeli position of, &#8220;There is a technical dispute over whether this land belongs to Syria, or Lebanon, so quite obviously it is desired by a higher power that this land be settled by Israelis of the proper ethnic background for their exclusive use in perpetuity&#8221;.</p>

	<p>I can see the second situation leading to some fighting. The first, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Belle.  I read that and my jaw dropped.  I&#039;d already resolved not to read Loyola as yet another boring right-wing hack on the Corner, but sometimes I read even the dumb ones there.  I notice the deafening silence from his cobloggers.  Doesn&#039;t this guy know anything about America?  Where&#039;s he from, anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right on, Belle.  I read that and my jaw dropped.  I&#8217;d already resolved not to read Loyola as yet another boring right-wing hack on the Corner, but sometimes I read even the dumb ones there.  I notice the deafening silence from his cobloggers.  Doesn&#8217;t this guy know anything about America?  Where&#8217;s he from, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: EWI</title>
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		<dc:creator>EWI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The “made-up country” is Belgium, not the Netherlands.&lt;/i&gt;

Tell that to the Friesians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The &#8220;made-up country&#8221; is Belgium, not the Netherlands.</i></p>

	<p>Tell that to the Friesians!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (not the famous one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry (not the famous one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The colossus to the north has already begun its plans for world domination:  http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/. It is probably too late to resist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The colossus to the north has already begun its plans for world domination:  <a href="http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/" rel="nofollow">http://cwd.ptbcanadian.com/</a>. It is probably too late to resist.</p>
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		<title>By: Pooh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This &amp; other things makes me think the time’s overdue for a clarifying discussion of the meaning of rule of law. Who here knows what it means?&lt;/i&gt;

IOKIYAR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This &#038; other things makes me think the time&#8217;s overdue for a clarifying discussion of the meaning of rule of law. Who here knows what it means?</i></p>

	<p><span class="caps">IOKIYAR</span>?</p>
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		<title>By: maidhc</title>
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		<dc:creator>maidhc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1916, Mexican forces associated with Pancho Villa raided into New Mexico, with the following results:

1.  The federal government ordered Gen. Pershing to take 10000 troops into northern Mexico. &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia entry&lt;/a&gt;.

2. The Texas Rangers and informal militia groups used it as an excuse to murder innocent Spanish-speaking American citizens and/or steal their land and property. &lt;a&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.cryptojews.com/Our_Secret_Heritage.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.borderbanditsmovie.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In 1916, Mexican forces associated with Pancho Villa raided into New Mexico, with the following results:</p>

	<p>1.  The federal government ordered Gen. Pershing to take 10000 troops into northern Mexico. <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia entry</a>.</p>

	<p>2. The Texas Rangers and informal militia groups used it as an excuse to murder innocent Spanish-speaking American citizens and/or steal their land and property. <a>Here</a> and <a HREF="http://www.cryptojews.com/Our_Secret_Heritage.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a HREF="http://www.borderbanditsmovie.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: minneapolitan</title>
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		<dc:creator>minneapolitan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrades, to arms! 

Actually, I&#039;d really have to know more about this invasion before I could decide whether to resist or collaborate. If we did get free health care, an generous national film board and more West Indian and East Indian cultural influences, I might have to sell out my Minnesotan compatriots. Of course, if Canada really were invading, that would seem to indicate that a general and severe rightward shift had taken place in Canadian politics. It&#039;s a toughy. Oh, ridiculous commentators of the far right, why can&#039;t you make your bizarre analogies stand up to more rigorous scrutiny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Comrades, to arms!</p>

	<p>Actually, I&#8217;d really have to know more about this invasion before I could decide whether to resist or collaborate. If we did get free health care, an generous national film board and more West Indian and East Indian cultural influences, I might have to sell out my Minnesotan compatriots. Of course, if Canada really were invading, that would seem to indicate that a general and severe rightward shift had taken place in Canadian politics. It&#8217;s a toughy. Oh, ridiculous commentators of the far right, why can&#8217;t you make your bizarre analogies stand up to more rigorous scrutiny?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loyola will not, I feel, be long for NRO. He has here already committed the cardinal sin of Wingnutism, which is to suggest that there is some kind of equivalency between what &#039;they&#039; do to &#039;us&#039; and what &#039;we&#039; do to &#039;them&#039;. 

Any proper-thinking nutter - IE, Jonah Goldberg - would hold the view that were Canada ever to invade we&#039;d kick their maple-chomping behinds back to Nova Scotia, same as we&#039;re gonna kick the stuffing out of those Lebanese for not taking our colonialism and liking it, because USA! USA! USA!

Once you start getting funny ideas to your head about moral and logical consistency well, I can&#039;t imagine it&#039;s long until someone presses a straight-razor into the guy&#039;s hands and tells him to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Loyola will not, I feel, be long for <span class="caps">NRO</span>. He has here already committed the cardinal sin of Wingnutism, which is to suggest that there is some kind of equivalency between what &#8216;they&#8217; do to &#8216;us&#8217; and what &#8216;we&#8217; do to &#8216;them&#8217;.</p>

	<p>Any proper-thinking nutter &#8211; IE, Jonah Goldberg &#8211; would hold the view that were Canada ever to invade we&#8217;d kick their maple-chomping behinds back to Nova Scotia, same as we&#8217;re gonna kick the stuffing out of those Lebanese for not taking our colonialism and liking it, because <span class="caps">USA</span>! USA! <span class="caps">USA</span>!</p>

	<p>Once you start getting funny ideas to your head about moral and logical consistency well, I can&#8217;t imagine it&#8217;s long until someone presses a straight-razor into the guy&#8217;s hands and tells him to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
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		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This &amp; other things makes me think the time&#039;s overdue for a clarifying discussion of the meaning of rule of law.  Who here knows what it means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This &#038; other things makes me think the time&#8217;s overdue for a clarifying discussion of the meaning of rule of law.  Who here knows what it means?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Regenspan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Regenspan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;elliotg&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;I don’t know why we need all these analogies when we have the Minutemen diligently working to protect our southern borders. (Unfortunately, they haven’t been deployed in the North yet so they won’t be able to prevent an invasion of Minnesota by rabid Canucks.)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002538196_borderpatrol04m.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Funnily enough...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><blockquote cite="elliotg"><i>I don&#8217;t know why we need all these analogies when we have the Minutemen diligently working to protect our southern borders. (Unfortunately, they haven&#8217;t been deployed in the North yet so they won&#8217;t be able to prevent an invasion of Minnesota by rabid Canucks.)</i></blockquote><br />
<a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002538196_borderpatrol04m.html" rel="nofollow">Funnily enough&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;made-up country&quot; is Belgium, not the Netherlands.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://zapatopi.net/belgium/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Belgium does not exist.&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Belgium&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Belgium really does not exist&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The &#8220;made-up country&#8221; is Belgium, not the Netherlands.</p>

	<p><a href="http://zapatopi.net/belgium/" rel="nofollow">Belgium does not exist.</a></p>

	<p><a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Belgium" rel="nofollow">Belgium really does not exist</a></p>
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