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		<title>By: Leinad</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179605</link>
		<dc:creator>Leinad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 01:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it doesn&#039;t, Susan, you big fat stinkyface!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No it doesn&#8217;t, Susan, you big fat stinkyface!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179571</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find these kind of threads pointless. They start off with someone posting the most absurd and over the top right-wing piece they can find, and then other posters ridicule it. Because the original piece is so bad, many of the people ridiculing it feel that they don&#039;t have to make any kind of rational argument. It just degenerates into name-calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I find these kind of threads pointless. They start off with someone posting the most absurd and over the top right-wing piece they can find, and then other posters ridicule it. Because the original piece is so bad, many of the people ridiculing it feel that they don&#8217;t have to make any kind of rational argument. It just degenerates into name-calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (Slovo) Zizek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179500</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe (Slovo) Zizek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point was to conflate voting for Ford with wanting him,&quot;

That seems a little too over-thought for me, but could be.

I don&#039;t think government sponsored homosexualism is the answer, but I&#039;m willing to discuss it. More likely we should begin in early developement; initially by removing from among those involved in the care of young children anyone who refuses to have sexual relations with another consenting adult. Of course we could simply ban Catholic education, but that might cause problems. 

My proposal would make children&#039;s lives and their parent&#039;s as well, a lot more secure without religious descrimination per se.   Perhaps we should institute some sort of test, a requirement: once a year to be observed in sexual activity (with another person)  by a group of experts, with subjects&#039; activities judged for sincerity.
We coud even make it a group thing, for budgetary purposes of course.
Just tossing that out. I think we do need real reform, if we&#039;re going to ride out this terror thing we&#039;re going through these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The point was to conflate voting for Ford with wanting him,&#8221;</p>

	<p>That seems a little too over-thought for me, but could be.</p>

	<p>I don&#8217;t think government sponsored homosexualism is the answer, but I&#8217;m willing to discuss it. More likely we should begin in early developement; initially by removing from among those involved in the care of young children anyone who refuses to have sexual relations with another consenting adult. Of course we could simply ban Catholic education, but that might cause problems.</p>

	<p>My proposal would make children&#8217;s lives and their parent&#8217;s as well, a lot more secure without religious descrimination per se.   Perhaps we should institute some sort of test, a requirement: once a year to be observed in sexual activity (with another person)  by a group of experts, with subjects&#8217; activities judged for sincerity.<br />
We coud even make it a group thing, for budgetary purposes of course.<br />
Just tossing that out. I think we do need real reform, if we&#8217;re going to ride out this terror thing we&#8217;re going through these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179443</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes Uncle, according to Dr. Slack the new politically correct term is “nonwhite”&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I was referring to your use of the term &quot;illegitimacy.&quot; Which is why I put the word in quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Yes Uncle, according to Dr. Slack the new politically correct term is &#8220;nonwhite&#8221;</i></p>

	<p>Actually, I was referring to your use of the term &#8220;illegitimacy.&#8221; Which is why I put the word in quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz I think the Left has abandoned the sexual revolution.  Yes, they are for homosexualism but moving to bring it under regulation through marriage.

The sexual revolutional is tainted because sex is tainted by power relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fritz I think the Left has abandoned the sexual revolution.  Yes, they are for homosexualism but moving to bring it under regulation through marriage.</p>

	<p>The sexual revolutional is tainted because sex is tainted by power relations.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179339</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 01:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: &lt;i&gt;As someone reminded me, the real point of the bimbo ad run against Harold Ford was not that he liked white women, but that white women liked him.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve also seen someone claim that the ad was aimed more at white women than at the men. The point was to conflate voting for Ford with &lt;i&gt;wanting&lt;/i&gt; him, and offer up a sense of superiority to the sort of tawdry skank who goes in for That Kind of Thing. 

Fitz: I have to admit I&#039;d written off the prospect of you providing a direct reference. Thank you for proving me wrong. I apologize for implying that you were making up the 70% figure -- it turns out that this does accord with government stats at least.

I&#039;d question your use of &quot;underclass&quot; as interchangeable with &quot;black,&quot; since the American underclass is multi-racial -- but it&#039;s indisputable that blacks are vastly disproportionately part of that underclass and that this helps explain their greater vulnerability to the nonmarital fertility trend.

We&#039;re still left with the problem of tying this in with your other concerns or of establishing that this says anything in particular about &quot;the sexual revolution&quot; as such (it seems unlikely to be that simple). There are productive conversations to be had about that -- but seriously, you&#039;ll find it easier to have them if your first step isn&#039;t to show up and lecture The Left(tm) about its blind unwillingness to Talk About the Real Issues. Examine shoulder, remove chip, and you&#039;ll be pleasantly surprised at how much the dynamic can change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Joe: <i>As someone reminded me, the real point of the bimbo ad run against Harold Ford was not that he liked white women, but that white women liked him.</i></p>

	<p>I&#8217;ve also seen someone claim that the ad was aimed more at white women than at the men. The point was to conflate voting for Ford with <i>wanting</i> him, and offer up a sense of superiority to the sort of tawdry skank who goes in for That Kind of Thing.</p>

	<p>Fitz: I have to admit I&#8217;d written off the prospect of you providing a direct reference. Thank you for proving me wrong. I apologize for implying that you were making up the 70% figure&#8212;it turns out that this does accord with government stats at least.</p>

	<p>I&#8217;d question your use of &#8220;underclass&#8221; as interchangeable with &#8220;black,&#8221; since the American underclass is multi-racial&#8212;but it&#8217;s indisputable that blacks are vastly disproportionately part of that underclass and that this helps explain their greater vulnerability to the nonmarital fertility trend.</p>

	<p>We&#8217;re still left with the problem of tying this in with your other concerns or of establishing that this says anything in particular about &#8220;the sexual revolution&#8221; as such (it seems unlikely to be that simple). There are productive conversations to be had about that&#8212;but seriously, you&#8217;ll find it easier to have them if your first step isn&#8217;t to show up and lecture The Left&#8482; about its blind unwillingness to Talk About the Real Issues. Examine shoulder, remove chip, and you&#8217;ll be pleasantly surprised at how much the dynamic can change.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179321</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Slacker

I guess I’ll hold your hand this time. 

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/wedlock.pdf

Be sure to inquire further into the veracity of the statistics. As if you’re unaware of the particularly acute problem of illegitimacy among our nations underclass. You must work at a university to have that set of blinders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dr Slacker</p>

	<p>I guess I&#8217;ll hold your hand this time.</p>

	<p><a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/wedlock.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/wedlock.pdf</a></p>

	<p>Be sure to inquire further into the veracity of the statistics. As if you&#8217;re unaware of the particularly acute problem of illegitimacy among our nations underclass. You must work at a university to have that set of blinders.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179315</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; &quot;(extra points for choosing to use such an offensive term, Fitz)&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

Yes Uncle, according to Dr. Slack the new politically correct term is &quot;nonwhite&quot;

a bit broad- and not to catchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> &#8220;(extra points for choosing to use such an offensive term, Fitz)&#8221; </i></p>

	<p>Yes Uncle, according to Dr. Slack the new politically correct term is &#8220;nonwhite&#8221;</p>

	<p>a bit broad- and not to catchy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (Slovoj) Chavez</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179276</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe (Slovoj) Chavez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle Slack, Dr Kvetch,

As someone reminded me, the real point of the bimbo ad run against Harold Ford was not that he liked white women, but that white women &lt;i&gt;liked him&lt;/i&gt;.
need I say more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uncle Slack, Dr Kvetch,</p>

	<p>As someone reminded me, the real point of the bimbo ad run against Harold Ford was not that he liked white women, but that white women <i>liked him</i>.<br />
need I say more?</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179233</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kvetch hits the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kvetch hits the nail on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179232</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fritz, when I&#039;m asking you for a cite, I&#039;m asking for the &lt;i&gt;specific&lt;/i&gt; source of your claim, not a 4000-item search in the CDC database. 

If you&#039;re pointing to the first result in that search, that would be a several-decades-old report that doesn&#039;t at any point (that I can see) claim a 70% nonwhite illegitimacy rate.

&lt;i&gt;To do so would be to watch there stilted worldviews come crashing down around them.&lt;/i&gt;

You know, the &quot;brave maverick in the land of the blind&quot; routine is often a mark of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timecube.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cranks&lt;/a&gt;. This also may help to explain why people react negatively to you in contexts like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fritz, when I&#8217;m asking you for a cite, I&#8217;m asking for the <i>specific</i> source of your claim, not a 4000-item search in the <span class="caps">CDC</span> database.</p>

	<p>If you&#8217;re pointing to the first result in that search, that would be a several-decades-old report that doesn&#8217;t at any point (that I can see) claim a 70% nonwhite illegitimacy rate.</p>

	<p><i>To do so would be to watch there stilted worldviews come crashing down around them.</i></p>

	<p>You know, the &#8220;brave maverick in the land of the blind&#8221; routine is often a mark of <a href="http://www.timecube.com/" rel="nofollow">cranks</a>. This also may help to explain why people react negatively to you in contexts like this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Kvetch</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179229</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Kvetch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still trying to work out the interrelationship between the &quot;illegitimacy&quot; rate among American blacks (extra points for choosing to use such an offensive term, Fitz) and the (in)ability of Fitz&#039;s sister&#039;s friends to have children. And then once &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; straightened out, we still have to figure out how both problems are the fault of the cultural left.

Miles to go before we sleep. Somebody brew a pot of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Still trying to work out the interrelationship between the &#8220;illegitimacy&#8221; rate among American blacks (extra points for choosing to use such an offensive term, Fitz) and the (in)ability of Fitz&#8217;s sister&#8217;s friends to have children. And then once <i>that&#8217;s</i> straightened out, we still have to figure out how both problems are the fault of the cultural left.</p>

	<p>Miles to go before we sleep. Somebody brew a pot of coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179225</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc
Site
http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&amp;subset=nchs&amp;queryText=illegitimacy+rates&amp;sort=


&lt;i&gt; &quot;people don’t take (me) seriously&quot; on this blog because they don’t take themselves seriously.

To do so would be to watch there stilted worldviews come crashing down around them.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Doc<br />
Site<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&#038;subset=nchs&#038;queryText=illegitimacy+rates&#038;sort" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?action=search&#038;subset=nchs&#038;queryText=illegitimacy+rates&#038;sort</a>=</p>


	<p><i> &#8220;people don&#8217;t take (me) seriously&#8221; on this blog because they don&#8217;t take themselves seriously.</i></p>

	<p>To do so would be to watch there stilted worldviews come crashing down around them.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Slack</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179220</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctor Slack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I will point you to the above post #142&lt;/i&gt;

Why? That doesn&#039;t answer the question I asked you. 

See, it&#039;s evasions like that that will tempt people to conclude you don&#039;t know what the hell you&#039;re talking about, and are prone to pulling facts and figures out of your arse. Which in turn would mean that your &quot;poignant truths&quot; are about as &quot;resonant&quot; as a bad case of flatulence, and maybe that&#039;s why people don&#039;t take you seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I will point you to the above post #142</i></p>

	<p>Why? That doesn&#8217;t answer the question I asked you.</p>

	<p>See, it&#8217;s evasions like that that will tempt people to conclude you don&#8217;t know what the hell you&#8217;re talking about, and are prone to pulling facts and figures out of your arse. Which in turn would mean that your &#8220;poignant truths&#8221; are about as &#8220;resonant&#8221; as a bad case of flatulence, and maybe that&#8217;s why people don&#8217;t take you seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Fitz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/14/blame-canada/comment-page-4/#comment-179218</link>
		<dc:creator>Fitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 19:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. (pick up the) Slack

I will point you to the above post #142

I will reiterate the importance of the term &quot;resonance&quot;

and add the cliché - &quot;forest for the tree&#039;s&quot;

P.S. One must use &quot;underclass&quot; instead of &quot;black&quot; least the conversation devolve into &quot;racism&quot; (sadly)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dr. (pick up the) Slack</p>

	<p>I will point you to the above post #142</p>

	<p>I will reiterate the importance of the term &#8220;resonance&#8221;</p>

	<p>and add the clich&#233; &#8211; &#8220;forest for the tree&#8217;s&#8221;</p>

	<p>P.S. One must use &#8220;underclass&#8221; instead of &#8220;black&#8221; least the conversation devolve into &#8220;racism&#8221; (sadly)</p>
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