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		<title>By: Edutheria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Preference for progress</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-180006</link>
		<dc:creator>Edutheria &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Preference for progress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anti-capitalist and anti-technology objectors like to defend the impediment of economic progress by pointing to studies indicating that as standards of living increase, personal satisfaction tends to remain flat. A commenter at Crooked Timber well expresses the problem I&#8217;ve always seen with those arguments: A better metric is “preference”: if people would choose situation B over situation A, situation B represents progress over situation A. And I think it is overwhelmingly clear that the vast majority of people would choose say, West Germany’s standard of living in 1988 over East Germany’s standard of living in 1988. So by this definition of progress, Capitalism yielded more human progress than Communism, even starting from the same point, and even when both systems were basically able to feed everybody. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Anti-capitalist and anti-technology objectors like to defend the impediment of economic progress by pointing to studies indicating that as standards of living increase, personal satisfaction tends to remain flat. A commenter at Crooked Timber well expresses the problem I&#8217;ve always seen with those arguments: A better metric is &#8220;preference&#8221;: if people would choose situation B over situation A, situation B represents progress over situation A. And I think it is overwhelmingly clear that the vast majority of people would choose say, West Germany&#8217;s standard of living in 1988 over East Germany&#8217;s standard of living in 1988. So by this definition of progress, Capitalism yielded more human progress than Communism, even starting from the same point, and even when both systems were basically able to feed everybody. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lemuel pitkin</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179948</link>
		<dc:creator>lemuel pitkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth/Joe, I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re done. I for one was enjoying your contributions, and even learning from them. The Tyler Cowans are indeed infuriating, but most of us here are not on their side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Seth/Joe, I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re done. I for one was enjoying your contributions, and even learning from them. The Tyler Cowans are indeed infuriating, but most of us here are not on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: abb1</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179621</link>
		<dc:creator>abb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;To wit, has anyone noticed that is now possible to “design” a lethal flu virus?&lt;/i&gt;

Ah, yes, the dialectics: unity of opposites, internal contradictions, the universality of contradiction. This is what these silly triumphalists (any kind of triumphalism, really) are missing. I guess they never studied the great works of comrade Mao, poor bastards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>To wit, has anyone noticed that is now possible to &#8220;design&#8221; a lethal flu virus?</i></p>

	<p>Ah, yes, the dialectics: unity of opposites, internal contradictions, the universality of contradiction. This is what these silly triumphalists (any kind of triumphalism, really) are missing. I guess they never studied the great works of comrade Mao, poor bastards.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wilder</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179598</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 22:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s an element of magical thinking in the economics of Tyler Cowan, which is deeply rooted in the way economics chooses to treat &quot;technology&quot; as a black box.

Economics defines itself in terms of the efficient allocation of resources.  That focus on economic organization as a matter of allocative efficiency, to the exclusion of consideration of the details of technical or managerial organization, leads economists into deliberate ignorance about much of what constitutes the modern, highly organized economy.  

The great advances of the industrial revolution were not primarily a matter of more efficient allocation of resources -- of eliminating subsidies or tariffs or managing the supply of money well enough to avoid deflation, that is, the kind of things economists concern themselves with.

It has been about advances in science and technology, applied to the organization of production and distribution of goods and services.

If you consult an economic textbook, looking for a theory of production, you will find a rather odd presentation, asserting that (maximum) product output is a function of factor inputs.  No where in this theory of production will you see featured the two, most prominent features of the industrial revolution: the application of energy (e.g. fossil fuels) and the advances in control of production processes.  Even Adam Smith&#039;s specialization, observed in his famous pin factory seems curiously remote, from the economic theory of production.

This economic theory of production consigns the sources of economic growth -- the energy devoted to production/distribution activities and the improvements in control of production/distribution processes -- to an unexamined area beyond their analysis.  And, with that curious consignment, the economist loses all perspective.

Energy use in economic activity is a source of huge increases in productivity, and it is also, necessarily, the reason all production is polluting.  It is simply the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics in action.  But, the necessary connection between production and pollution is unrecognized by fundamental economic theory, even though &quot;externalities&quot; are recognized, elsewhere.

Control of production/distribution activities is the second great source of productivity improvement.  Embodied in machines it is a source of great power and even delight.  But, it is also a source of rigidity in our society.  Most people in advanced societies are working in vast bureaucracies, the better to control our economic production/distribution processes.  Coordination of work has become a paramount imperative, which is always threatening our individual autonomy.  And, such simple questions as how much time in our life is leisure or whether we will have time to raise our children have become questions of national political policy.

The Tyler Cowans of the world seem to be unable to fully grasp either these two capital facts of the modern economy: energy and pollution, control and error.  Economics, with its defective theory of production, allows them to ignore them.

So, we get Tyler making linear projections concerning the future products of a magical technology, while praising the &quot;freedom&quot; attendant on a &quot;market&quot; economy, completely dominated by giant corporations and government.  It is unreal.

We cannot simply multiply the amount of energy devoted to production.  We are running out fossil fuels, we are running out of clean air and water, we are running out of places to put the junk.  We need to get realistic about how much energy we can divert into production processes, and about the implications for the total number of humans the earth can support in a style, we would all like to be accustomed to.  

And, we ought to be realistic about creating and preserving individual autonomy in an ever more organized and controlled society.  The means of control -- monitoring and communication and modeling and calculation -- are cheap and getting cheaper very fast, for the first time in human history.  &quot;Free markets&quot; is a long-outdated 18th century slogan.  Libertarian sentiment needs to make itself a good deal better informed.  

Control of human behavior is one of the foundation stones of the huge increases in productivity, which underlie the prosperity of the developed world.  That prosperity and organized control has made individuals more powerful, and the high degree of organization has made government as well as private corporations more powerful, as well.  It has also made society more fragile and complex.  

Medical advances to cure diseases are all very well and good to anticipate, but it would be nice if someone were to notice the implications of guys with box cutters flying airplanes into tall buildings -- and I mean implications other than an opportunity for morons to try to establish a fascist state.  To wit, has anyone noticed that is now possible to &quot;design&quot; a lethal flu virus?  

Well, that was a nice rant.  I seem to have run out of steam, before I reached an climactic peroration, for which I am truly sorry.  I&#039;ll work on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s an element of magical thinking in the economics of Tyler Cowan, which is deeply rooted in the way economics chooses to treat &#8220;technology&#8221; as a black box.</p>

	<p>Economics defines itself in terms of the efficient allocation of resources.  That focus on economic organization as a matter of allocative efficiency, to the exclusion of consideration of the details of technical or managerial organization, leads economists into deliberate ignorance about much of what constitutes the modern, highly organized economy.</p>

	<p>The great advances of the industrial revolution were not primarily a matter of more efficient allocation of resources&#8212;of eliminating subsidies or tariffs or managing the supply of money well enough to avoid deflation, that is, the kind of things economists concern themselves with.</p>

	<p>It has been about advances in science and technology, applied to the organization of production and distribution of goods and services.</p>

	<p>If you consult an economic textbook, looking for a theory of production, you will find a rather odd presentation, asserting that (maximum) product output is a function of factor inputs.  No where in this theory of production will you see featured the two, most prominent features of the industrial revolution: the application of energy (e.g. fossil fuels) and the advances in control of production processes.  Even Adam Smith&#8217;s specialization, observed in his famous pin factory seems curiously remote, from the economic theory of production.</p>

	<p>This economic theory of production consigns the sources of economic growth&#8212;the energy devoted to production/distribution activities and the improvements in control of production/distribution processes&#8212;to an unexamined area beyond their analysis.  And, with that curious consignment, the economist loses all perspective.</p>

	<p>Energy use in economic activity is a source of huge increases in productivity, and it is also, necessarily, the reason all production is polluting.  It is simply the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics in action.  But, the necessary connection between production and pollution is unrecognized by fundamental economic theory, even though &#8220;externalities&#8221; are recognized, elsewhere.</p>

	<p>Control of production/distribution activities is the second great source of productivity improvement.  Embodied in machines it is a source of great power and even delight.  But, it is also a source of rigidity in our society.  Most people in advanced societies are working in vast bureaucracies, the better to control our economic production/distribution processes.  Coordination of work has become a paramount imperative, which is always threatening our individual autonomy.  And, such simple questions as how much time in our life is leisure or whether we will have time to raise our children have become questions of national political policy.</p>

	<p>The Tyler Cowans of the world seem to be unable to fully grasp either these two capital facts of the modern economy: energy and pollution, control and error.  Economics, with its defective theory of production, allows them to ignore them.</p>

	<p>So, we get Tyler making linear projections concerning the future products of a magical technology, while praising the &#8220;freedom&#8221; attendant on a &#8220;market&#8221; economy, completely dominated by giant corporations and government.  It is unreal.</p>

	<p>We cannot simply multiply the amount of energy devoted to production.  We are running out fossil fuels, we are running out of clean air and water, we are running out of places to put the junk.  We need to get realistic about how much energy we can divert into production processes, and about the implications for the total number of humans the earth can support in a style, we would all like to be accustomed to.</p>

	<p>And, we ought to be realistic about creating and preserving individual autonomy in an ever more organized and controlled society.  The means of control&#8212;monitoring and communication and modeling and calculation&#8212;are cheap and getting cheaper very fast, for the first time in human history.  &#8220;Free markets&#8221; is a long-outdated 18th century slogan.  Libertarian sentiment needs to make itself a good deal better informed.</p>

	<p>Control of human behavior is one of the foundation stones of the huge increases in productivity, which underlie the prosperity of the developed world.  That prosperity and organized control has made individuals more powerful, and the high degree of organization has made government as well as private corporations more powerful, as well.  It has also made society more fragile and complex.</p>

	<p>Medical advances to cure diseases are all very well and good to anticipate, but it would be nice if someone were to notice the implications of guys with box cutters flying airplanes into tall buildings&#8212;and I mean implications other than an opportunity for morons to try to establish a fascist state.  To wit, has anyone noticed that is now possible to &#8220;design&#8221; a lethal flu virus?</p>

	<p>Well, that was a nice rant.  I seem to have run out of steam, before I reached an climactic peroration, for which I am truly sorry.  I&#8217;ll work on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Edenbaum</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179582</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Edenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The rule of science is not the rule of law.
Technocracy is not democracy.
You figure it out. I&#039;m done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The rule of science is not the rule of law.<br />
Technocracy is not democracy.<br />
You figure it out. I&#8217;m done.</p>
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		<title>By: Timon Braun</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179564</link>
		<dc:creator>Timon Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JZ,

Stop pretending you don&#039;t love this!  Do aversion to force and coercion, and the observation of rapid technological change, really bespeak a fundamentalist bias, even when its only expression is forensic pseudoblogging?  

CB,

Isn&#039;t GDP growth simply a measure of increased possibilities, that can be rejected moralistically, as with the Amish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>JZ,</p>

	<p>Stop pretending you don&#8217;t love this!  Do aversion to force and coercion, and the observation of rapid technological change, really bespeak a fundamentalist bias, even when its only expression is forensic pseudoblogging?</p>

	<p>CB,</p>

	<p>Isn&#8217;t <span class="caps">GDP</span> growth simply a measure of increased possibilities, that can be rejected moralistically, as with the Amish?</p>
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		<title>By: john c. halasz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179563</link>
		<dc:creator>john c. halasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the nub of the problem is the denuded modern sense of &quot;theory&quot;. The Greek philosophers lifted the term &quot;theoria&quot; from a root meaning &quot;to participate in a delegation sent by one polis to look-on in another polis at a festival honoring the gods&quot;. (And how else could they have articulated their meaning, if not by lifting words, since they had no other means?) Now economics is precisely a &quot;classical&quot; discipline, at once highly deductive and laying claim to an immense overview. But how can one lay claim to such a &quot;logic&quot; without experiencing participation in the world it lays claim to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Perhaps the nub of the problem is the denuded modern sense of &#8220;theory&#8221;. The Greek philosophers lifted the term &#8220;theoria&#8221; from a root meaning &#8220;to participate in a delegation sent by one polis to look-on in another polis at a festival honoring the gods&#8221;. (And how else could they have articulated their meaning, if not by lifting words, since they had no other means?) Now economics is precisely a &#8220;classical&#8221; discipline, at once highly deductive and laying claim to an immense overview. But how can one lay claim to such a &#8220;logic&#8221; without experiencing participation in the world it lays claim to?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (Slovo) Zizek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179562</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe (Slovo) Zizek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Skepticism is not a moral abdication, it is a kind of communitarianism.&quot;
Yes it is. And I&#039;m a skeptic.  Libertarians and Futurists are not.
---

I, dunno John. Is the Living Theater your thing? if so that&#039;s cool.
But this feels like arguing with fundamentalists. And fundamentalism is, fundamentally, opposed to language, or any other mediation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Skepticism is not a moral abdication, it is a kind of communitarianism.&#8221;<br />
Yes it is. And I&#8217;m a skeptic.  Libertarians and Futurists are not.&#8212;-</p>

	<p>I, dunno John. Is the Living Theater your thing? if so that&#8217;s cool.<br />
But this feels like arguing with fundamentalists. And fundamentalism is, fundamentally, opposed to language, or any other mediation.</p>
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		<title>By: Timon Braun</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179561</link>
		<dc:creator>Timon Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually trying to convince you, Slovo!  Skepticism is not a moral abdication, it is a kind of communitarianism.  One way to close the gap between what people should want and what they claim to want is to convince them that they should look to something else, which is the point of this kind of &quot;participation.&quot;  My aim viz popular will, which I am marginally if infinitesimally furthering here, is that it will move toward some principles that I am not neutral about, while I expand and modify them by learning new information and making new relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m actually trying to convince you, Slovo!  Skepticism is not a moral abdication, it is a kind of communitarianism.  One way to close the gap between what people should want and what they claim to want is to convince them that they should look to something else, which is the point of this kind of &#8220;participation.&#8221;  My aim viz popular will, which I am marginally if infinitesimally furthering here, is that it will move toward some principles that I am not neutral about, while I expand and modify them by learning new information and making new relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: john c. halasz</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179559</link>
		<dc:creator>john c. halasz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edenbaum:

Does &quot;participation&quot; here mean &quot;performance&quot; or &quot;methexis&quot;: where, if anywhere, does one take one&#039;s stand? Adolescent minds want to know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Edenbaum:</p>

	<p>Does &#8220;participation&#8221; here mean &#8220;performance&#8221; or &#8220;methexis&#8221;: where, if anywhere, does one take one&#8217;s stand? Adolescent minds want to know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (Slovo) Zizek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179555</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe (Slovo) Zizek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing wrong with thinking there&#039;s a difference between what most people want and what most people &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; want. The history of human culture is the documentation of confused desire.  But by your logic [and I mean almost all of you here] the appropriate reaction to the failed imposition of moral codes is the moral nutrality of the scientific study of popular will. The press as the neutral observer; a politics of polling and passivity.  As I said somewhere else:&lt;blockquote&gt;Philosophers [and scientists] want to &quot;know,&quot; and they despise systems that allow them only to participate. A lawyer may not be a philosopher in the courtroom any more than an actor may be one on the stage. Those conversations begin after the workday is done.&lt;/blockquote&gt; It is obligatory of everyone to have a moral, not just a technical philosophy, though here &lt;a href=&quot;http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/mark-halperin-and-hugh-hewitt-all-you.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mark Halpern&lt;/a&gt; argues otherwise. He reminds me of the German painter Gerhard Richter saying that since it&#039;s dangerous for Germans to have opinions about poltics, he doesn&#039;t have any.  This from the maker of some of the coldest most melancholic art of the post war era: the promulgator of the philosophy of willed autism.
I&#039;m done. It&#039;s like yelling at teenagers. it does no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with thinking there&#8217;s a difference between what most people want and what most people <i>should</i> want. The history of human culture is the documentation of confused desire.  But by your logic [and I mean almost all of you here] the appropriate reaction to the failed imposition of moral codes is the moral nutrality of the scientific study of popular will. The press as the neutral observer; a politics of polling and passivity.  As I said somewhere else:<blockquote>Philosophers [and scientists] want to &#8220;know,&#8221; and they despise systems that allow them only to participate. A lawyer may not be a philosopher in the courtroom any more than an actor may be one on the stage. Those conversations begin after the workday is done.</blockquote> It is obligatory of everyone to have a moral, not just a technical philosophy, though here <a href="http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/mark-halperin-and-hugh-hewitt-all-you.html" rel="nofollow">Mark Halpern</a> argues otherwise. He reminds me of the German painter Gerhard Richter saying that since it&#8217;s dangerous for Germans to have opinions about poltics, he doesn&#8217;t have any.  This from the maker of some of the coldest most melancholic art of the post war era: the promulgator of the philosophy of willed autism.<br />
I&#8217;m done. It&#8217;s like yelling at teenagers. it does no good.</p>
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		<title>By: Timon Braun</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179554</link>
		<dc:creator>Timon Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A less tedious version of this debate may be contained in the anecdote Antonin Scalia uses to defend his philosophy of constitutional construction: A man and his friend are camping and hear a rustle, and are terrified to see a bear coming toward them threateningly. They run and are exhausted after a few hundred meters, with the bear still giving chase. “It’s hopeless,” one says, “we’ll never outrun the bear!” The other says, “I’m not trying to outrun the bear, I’m trying to outrun you!” Markets do not have to demonstrate philosophical and empirical inerrancy, they just have to be preferable to the alternatives. Zizek certainly makes a compelling case! It reminds me of a Pakistani Islamist critique of Clinton that offered #42 as proof of the superiority of Quranic governance, since there is no infidelity or venality in the perfect state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A less tedious version of this debate may be contained in the anecdote Antonin Scalia uses to defend his philosophy of constitutional construction: A man and his friend are camping and hear a rustle, and are terrified to see a bear coming toward them threateningly. They run and are exhausted after a few hundred meters, with the bear still giving chase. &#8220;It&#8217;s hopeless,&#8221; one says, &#8220;we&#8217;ll never outrun the bear!&#8221; The other says, &#8220;I&#8217;m not trying to outrun the bear, I&#8217;m trying to outrun you!&#8221; Markets do not have to demonstrate philosophical and empirical inerrancy, they just have to be preferable to the alternatives. Zizek certainly makes a compelling case! It reminds me of a Pakistani Islamist critique of Clinton that offered #42 as proof of the superiority of Quranic governance, since there is no infidelity or venality in the perfect state.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe (Slovo) Zizek</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/16/progress-versus-economic-growth/comment-page-2/#comment-179552</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe (Slovo) Zizek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There doesn&#039;t seem to be any interest in history here, or in psychology at all.  This sort of generalization is merely intellctualization in the service of bureaucracy. I realize that&#039;s what you specialize in around here, but it gets to be a bit much.

Most western Europeans prefer to be in Western Europe as opposed to the US and the reverse is true for people in the US. What does that say about what the &quot;people&quot; want? Go pick up a NYRB and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=19673&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read this&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There doesn&#8217;t seem to be any interest in history here, or in psychology at all.  This sort of generalization is merely intellctualization in the service of bureaucracy. I realize that&#8217;s what you specialize in around here, but it gets to be a bit much.</p>

	<p>Most western Europeans prefer to be in Western Europe as opposed to the US and the reverse is true for people in the US. What does that say about what the &#8220;people&#8221; want? Go pick up a <span class="caps">NYRB</span> and <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/article-preview?article_id=19673" rel="nofollow">read this</a></p>
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		<title>By: radek</title>
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		<dc:creator>radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 01:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, no, it&#039;s just something I&#039;ve been playing around off and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David, no, it&#8217;s just something I&#8217;ve been playing around off and on.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radek@45: That&#039;s a very interesting observation. You wouldn&#039;t happen to have a citation handy, would you? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Radek@45: That&#8217;s a very interesting observation. You wouldn&#8217;t happen to have a citation handy, would you? Thanks.</p>
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