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	<title>Comments on: The Ashes</title>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/22/the-ashes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-180250</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2006 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>India/Pakistan is the only rivalry where a bad call could could conceivable escalate all the way to nuclear conflict, so it wins by default.</description>
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		<title>By: Shipp: Jones Means Saxby Success; Rivalry Weekend &#124; Peach Pundit</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/22/the-ashes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-180173</link>
		<dc:creator>Shipp: Jones Means Saxby Success; Rivalry Weekend &#124; Peach Pundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 02:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lest I forget, more serious matters, some of sport&#8217;s greatest rivalries occur this weekend. UGA vs GT, Notre Dame, vs USC, FSU vs. UF, and of course, Purdue vs Hawai&#8217;i. I shall be watching the last one with bated breath (GT, ND, UH, FSU all victors). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[...] Lest I forget, more serious matters, some of sport&#8217;s greatest rivalries occur this weekend. <span class="caps">UGA</span> vs GT, Notre Dame, vs <span class="caps">USC</span>, FSU vs. UF, and of course, Purdue vs Hawai&#8217;i. I shall be watching the last one with bated breath (GT, ND, UH, <span class="caps">FSU</span> all victors). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>England are quite clearly lulling the Aussies into a false sense of security, ready to unleash havoc when they are least expecting it.  It&#039;s classic w-g-gracian behaviour, a la Ashes tour of 1891-92.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>England are quite clearly lulling the Aussies into a false sense of security, ready to unleash havoc when they are least expecting it.  It&#8217;s classic w-g-gracian behaviour, a la Ashes tour of 1891-92.</p>
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		<title>By: Zarquon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarquon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 02:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, see, the Ashes goes all the way up to eleven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But, see, the Ashes goes all the way up to eleven.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Alpers</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/22/the-ashes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-180081</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Alpers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fine, but no-one outside the U.S. cares.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, for starters, Major League Baseball also includes a team in Canada, so at the very least people in Canada care (and it&#039;s usually us Americans who get chided for acting as if Canada is not a separate country).
 
But baseball is also not American football. Just because the cricket-playing countries (with the possible exception of Australia) don&#039;t care about baseball doesn&#039;t mean that much of the rest of the world is equally indifferent.

In fact, baseball is huge in most of Latin America and East Asia, and it&#039;s growing in the Netherlands.  The Japanese, at least, pay a lot of attention to Major League Baseball now that so many Japanese stars are playing here, just as British football fans care about Real Madrid-Barcelona.

The real parochialism is the assumption that, since Americans tend to be parochial, no American sport can possibly have any international interest.  In fact, baseball and basketball are both truly international sports.  American football is the exception, not the rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Fine, but no-one outside the U.S. cares.</i></p>

	<p>Well, for starters, Major League Baseball also includes a team in Canada, so at the very least people in Canada care (and it&#8217;s usually us Americans who get chided for acting as if Canada is not a separate country).</p>

	<p>But baseball is also not American football. Just because the cricket-playing countries (with the possible exception of Australia) don&#8217;t care about baseball doesn&#8217;t mean that much of the rest of the world is equally indifferent.</p>

	<p>In fact, baseball is huge in most of Latin America and East Asia, and it&#8217;s growing in the Netherlands.  The Japanese, at least, pay a lot of attention to Major League Baseball now that so many Japanese stars are playing here, just as British football fans care about Real Madrid-Barcelona.</p>

	<p>The real parochialism is the assumption that, since Americans tend to be parochial, no American sport can possibly have any international interest.  In fact, baseball and basketball are both truly international sports.  American football is the exception, not the rule.</p>
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		<title>By: dave heasman</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/22/the-ashes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-180080</link>
		<dc:creator>dave heasman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nine times out of ten, you should automatically bat first. The other time you should think about fielding, but then bat anyway.”

 I can&#039;t place this quote but it doesn&#039;t originate with Ponting. Maybe Bradman? Certainly that period (30s/40s). It is the truth, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Nine times out of ten, you should automatically bat first. The other time you should think about fielding, but then bat anyway.&#8221;</p>

	<p>I can&#8217;t place this quote but it doesn&#8217;t originate with Ponting. Maybe Bradman? Certainly that period (30s/40s). It is the truth, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Another vote for Red Sox vs. Yankees&lt;/i&gt;

Fine, but no-one outside the U.S. cares. This smacks a bit of the Olympics (forget which) where the favoured American lost the 100m sprint, but won the 200m. Until then, the 100m winner was considered the &quot;World&#039;s Fastest Man&quot;, but the Americans insisted on a 150m run-off to decide the issue. Is this what they mean by &quot;exceptionalism&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Another vote for Red Sox vs. Yankees</i></p>

	<p>Fine, but no-one outside the U.S. cares. This smacks a bit of the Olympics (forget which) where the favoured American lost the 100m sprint, but won the 200m. Until then, the 100m winner was considered the &#8220;World&#8217;s Fastest Man&#8221;, but the Americans insisted on a 150m run-off to decide the issue. Is this what they mean by &#8220;exceptionalism&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Nabakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nabakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Ricky&#039;s remark after winning the toss.

&quot;&quot;Nine times out of ten, you should automatically bat first. The other time you should think about fielding, but then bat anyway.&quot;

And that&#039;ll go done for posterity as either a Colemanball or as I reckon another sardonic piece of Aus gamesmanship.

I think young Ponting is shaping up rather well as Australian Captain don&#039;t you? He seems to have the requisite guile and guts of his immediate predecessors along with a fair hand with the willow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I liked Ricky&#8217;s remark after winning the toss.</p>

	<p>&#8220;&#8221;Nine times out of ten, you should automatically bat first. The other time you should think about fielding, but then bat anyway.&#8221;</p>

	<p>And that&#8217;ll go done for posterity as either a Colemanball or as I reckon another sardonic piece of Aus gamesmanship.</p>

	<p>I think young Ponting is shaping up rather well as Australian Captain don&#8217;t you? He seems to have the requisite guile and guts of his immediate predecessors along with a fair hand with the willow.</p>
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		<title>By: Gracchi</title>
		<link>http://crookedtimber.org/2006/11/22/the-ashes-2/comment-page-1/#comment-180060</link>
		<dc:creator>Gracchi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 11:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is England&#039;s injuries- if we had Vaughan, Trescothick, Jones, then we might have a chance but without them the batting and bowling looks poor. As for the captaincy I wish it had gone to Strauss- there would have been less pressure on Flintoff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem is England&#8217;s injuries- if we had Vaughan, Trescothick, Jones, then we might have a chance but without them the batting and bowling looks poor. As for the captaincy I wish it had gone to Strauss- there would have been less pressure on Flintoff.</p>
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		<title>By: nick s</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Victory! I have video. If you want to buy it, go here.&lt;/i&gt;

But I don&#039;t want video. I want radio, please, and nobody appears to have the rights to the ABC/BBC broadcasts in the US. Or if they are, they&#039;re keeping it to themselves.

There&#039;s a partial solution: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radiosport.co.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Radio Sport NZ&lt;/a&gt; has limited rights to dip into the ABC/BBC coverage for an over or two at a time, and I survived on that for the first day. (Even though, as Daniel says, England are going to be slaughtered, and this one will be over by the Boxing Day Test at the MCG.)

Oh, rivalries: Stoke City - Port Vale, and Southampton - Portsmouth. Think &#039;Old Firm without the religion&#039;; neither of these have any hint of the &#039;friendliness&#039; that you&#039;ll see in a Merseyside (or even Manchester) derby.

The problem with the Ashes rivalry is that it has to be competitive to burn at its fiercest, and that hadn&#039;t been the case until last time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Victory! I have video. If you want to buy it, go here.</i></p>

	<p>But I don&#8217;t want video. I want radio, please, and nobody appears to have the rights to the <span class="caps">ABC</span>/BBC broadcasts in the US. Or if they are, they&#8217;re keeping it to themselves.</p>

	<p>There&#8217;s a partial solution: <a href="http://www.radiosport.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">Radio Sport NZ</a> has limited rights to dip into the <span class="caps">ABC</span>/BBC coverage for an over or two at a time, and I survived on that for the first day. (Even though, as Daniel says, England are going to be slaughtered, and this one will be over by the Boxing Day Test at the <span class="caps">MCG</span>.)</p>

	<p>Oh, rivalries: Stoke City &#8211; Port Vale, and Southampton &#8211; Portsmouth. Think &#8216;Old Firm without the religion&#8217;; neither of these have any hint of the &#8216;friendliness&#8217; that you&#8217;ll see in a Merseyside (or even Manchester) derby.</p>

	<p>The problem with the Ashes rivalry is that it has to be competitive to burn at its fiercest, and that hadn&#8217;t been the case until last time.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;since the resumption of India/Pak games at home last year, Indian crowds have made a point of respectful restraint at games vs Pakistan, almost as if they feared the consequences of going too far. “Restraint” in context, that is.&lt;/i&gt;

Another example of the positive effects of a nuclear standoff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>since the resumption of India/Pak games at home last year, Indian crowds have made a point of respectful restraint at games vs Pakistan, almost as if they feared the consequences of going too far. &#8220;Restraint&#8221; in context, that is.</i></p>

	<p>Another example of the positive effects of a nuclear standoff!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and finally, three in a row like the loon I am, I will note that I forgot about Sajid Mahmood while discussing the bowling attack above, but I don&#039;t think that this is a fatal error.  He is pretty quick, but in general I think it&#039;s been established that the kind of reverse swing bowling that England have prospered with is only really a threat if the ball is sort of moving in the general direction of the wicket, which is always a problem for Mahmood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>and finally, three in a row like the loon I am, I will note that I forgot about Sajid Mahmood while discussing the bowling attack above, but I don&#8217;t think that this is a fatal error.  He is pretty quick, but in general I think it&#8217;s been established that the kind of reverse swing bowling that England have prospered with is only really a threat if the ball is sort of moving in the general direction of the wicket, which is always a problem for Mahmood.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I cannot stop talking about this.  Brian is just trying not to jinx himself here.

&lt;i&gt;good as the English batsmen are&lt;/i&gt;

Really?  For which one of these lot is the idea of them being in &quot;a lineup containing Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag&quot; anything other than a joke?

Flintoff - gneuinely talented and aggressive but half-fit and exhausted from being captain and bowling himself too much (he hasn&#039;t yet, but as things get tough he will).  Will make one or two valiant captain&#039;s innings but is almost bound to get injured.

Strauss - solid and good.  Probably the only one who actually could be in that lineup without embarrassing himself.  But he needs partners ...

Cook - exactly the kind of defensive batsman that England always take to Australia on the basis of a good record elsewhere.  They always crumble.

Bell - Never seen it with Bell, even ignoring the 2005 disaster.  He&#039;s timid.  Pokes at things moving away from him.  A guaranteed six wickets for Warne.

Pietersen - entire reputation based on one innings.  A good, exciting batsman (I don&#039;t agree that he&#039;s a slogger) but completely undisciplined and wildly selfish - he never acts like he has any idea of the importance of his wicket.  Will make a glorious hundred in the dead rubber match to ensure continued selection but otherwise basically a liability.  If I were a selector I would hate myself and not pick him.

Collingwood - abysmal technique.  I cannot believe that anyone takes seriously the idea that this man is going to bat against Australia.

Jones - by way of perspective, this role used to be played by Alec Stewart and we still lost.

Joyce - who?

and that&#039;s it, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>No, I cannot stop talking about this.  Brian is just trying not to jinx himself here.</p>

	<p><i>good as the English batsmen are</i></p>

	<p>Really?  For which one of these lot is the idea of them being in &#8220;a lineup containing Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Sehwag&#8221; anything other than a joke?</p>

	<p>Flintoff &#8211; gneuinely talented and aggressive but half-fit and exhausted from being captain and bowling himself too much (he hasn&#8217;t yet, but as things get tough he will).  Will make one or two valiant captain&#8217;s innings but is almost bound to get injured.</p>

	<p>Strauss &#8211; solid and good.  Probably the only one who actually could be in that lineup without embarrassing himself.  But he needs partners &#8230;</p>

	<p>Cook &#8211; exactly the kind of defensive batsman that England always take to Australia on the basis of a good record elsewhere.  They always crumble.</p>

	<p>Bell &#8211; Never seen it with Bell, even ignoring the 2005 disaster.  He&#8217;s timid.  Pokes at things moving away from him.  A guaranteed six wickets for Warne.</p>

	<p>Pietersen &#8211; entire reputation based on one innings.  A good, exciting batsman (I don&#8217;t agree that he&#8217;s a slogger) but completely undisciplined and wildly selfish &#8211; he never acts like he has any idea of the importance of his wicket.  Will make a glorious hundred in the dead rubber match to ensure continued selection but otherwise basically a liability.  If I were a selector I would hate myself and not pick him.</p>

	<p>Collingwood &#8211; abysmal technique.  I cannot believe that anyone takes seriously the idea that this man is going to bat against Australia.</p>

	<p>Jones &#8211; by way of perspective, this role used to be played by Alec Stewart and we still lost.</p>

	<p>Joyce &#8211; who?</p>

	<p>and that&#8217;s it, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for sheer intensity, you cannot beat Galatasaray/Fehnerbache.  Nothing on earth approaches it, and as far as I can tell it is purely sporting in nature.  I really don&#039;t think that the American vote for Yankees/Red Sox makes any sense at all; it&#039;s a mild and friendly rivalry.

btw, I don&#039;t agree with:

&lt;i&gt;after the first test England looked like they would be lucky to get zero&lt;/i&gt;

on a flat track at Lord&#039;s which is their worst ground, England actually managed a pretty respectable showing that could have looked really good if a couple of marginal decisions had gone the other way.  In particular, the Australian batsmen were clearly rattled by having to face Jones, Flintoff and Harmison, all bowling very fast and aggressively.  I put my money on after that test, on the assumption that the odds were worth taking a punt on an injury to McGrath or some such.

England are truly fucked this time.  They have basically no fast bowling attack; Jones is out and Flintoff and Harmison are half-fit - one or both of them is bound to miss at least one match through injury.  Resting our hopes on spin bowling against Australia is just completely futile, particularly when we have two of the most utterly pedestrian spin bowlers on earth (I really do not see it with Panesar).  Our batting order is a complete shambles as well - we have no openers and once more, the tail begins at 5.  This is actually a very weak England side, made even weaker by injury.  I would love to eat crow over this unequivocal prediction but I don&#039;t think I&#039;m going to have to - it&#039;s Australia 3-1, as they always ease off in a dead rubber, from which we get one draw and one win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>for sheer intensity, you cannot beat Galatasaray/Fehnerbache.  Nothing on earth approaches it, and as far as I can tell it is purely sporting in nature.  I really don&#8217;t think that the American vote for Yankees/Red Sox makes any sense at all; it&#8217;s a mild and friendly rivalry.</p>

	<p>btw, I don&#8217;t agree with:</p>

	<p><i>after the first test England looked like they would be lucky to get zero</i></p>

	<p>on a flat track at Lord&#8217;s which is their worst ground, England actually managed a pretty respectable showing that could have looked really good if a couple of marginal decisions had gone the other way.  In particular, the Australian batsmen were clearly rattled by having to face Jones, Flintoff and Harmison, all bowling very fast and aggressively.  I put my money on after that test, on the assumption that the odds were worth taking a punt on an injury to McGrath or some such.</p>

	<p>England are truly fucked this time.  They have basically no fast bowling attack; Jones is out and Flintoff and Harmison are half-fit &#8211; one or both of them is bound to miss at least one match through injury.  Resting our hopes on spin bowling against Australia is just completely futile, particularly when we have two of the most utterly pedestrian spin bowlers on earth (I really do not see it with Panesar).  Our batting order is a complete shambles as well &#8211; we have no openers and once more, the tail begins at 5.  This is actually a very weak England side, made even weaker by injury.  I would love to eat crow over this unequivocal prediction but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m going to have to &#8211; it&#8217;s Australia 3-1, as they always ease off in a dead rubber, from which we get one draw and one win.</p>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<dc:creator>a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another vote for Red Sox vs. Yankees.  Red Sox were the most successful baseball team, until they sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees.  Sure, there&#039;s not the violence that you see with other rivalries, but that&#039;s only because American fans are better behaved ;-)

By the way, no one mentioned the Boat Race; if we&#039;re talking history here, isn&#039;t that longer than those mentioned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another vote for Red Sox vs. Yankees.  Red Sox were the most successful baseball team, until they sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees.  Sure, there&#8217;s not the violence that you see with other rivalries, but that&#8217;s only because American fans are better behaved ;-)</p>

	<p>By the way, no one mentioned the Boat Race; if we&#8217;re talking history here, isn&#8217;t that longer than those mentioned?</p>
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